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[Maria Caliban]

Bethany goes from being a recluse who lives in a small, isolated farming community, to wandering around a large, bustling city with her sibling. She world has widen and most people now treat her like an adult.

I doubt she knew anyone like Isabela in Lothering, and if she did meet someone like her, Bethany probably would have hovered in silence while Hawke did all the talking.

As for having a talk with Hawke about sex, I don't imagine Bethany doing that even after Lothering. The dialogue with Jethann suggests Beth rather not know anything about what her sibling does in the saddle.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 novembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I doubt she knew anyone like Isabela in Lothering,and if she did meet someone like her, Bethany probably would have hovered in silence while Hawke did all the talking.

[whykikyouwhy]

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I doubt she knew anyone like Isabela in Lothering,and if she did meet someone like her, Bethany probably would have hovered in silence while Hawke did all the talking.

*snipped - artwork of awesome*

The silence of being smitten by the honey-silver-tongued?

[tmp7704]

Whatever the reasons for silence, they seem to communicate without Hawke pretty well...

[Maria Caliban]

"She and her twin brother are 16, so if I have them both at the same time, it's like sleeping with someone my own age!" - Porn Leliana

[Quething]

It's not like she's thirty. She'd have been about 20-22 when the twins were that age, and they were 18 by the time they left Lothering. Four years at eighteen isn't a big deal.

I don't really see Beth going for it though, more's the pity. (Carver would, but I don't see Leliana going for Carver.)

Anyway, that banter's not really about Isabela's pleasure one way or the other. It's her teasing Beth and the game contrasting her worldliness with Beth's virginity for the player's benefit (either in terms of insight or interest, depending on the gamer). Which is a lot of fun, don't get me wrong. Izzy's relationship with Beth has become my favorite of hers, even over her and Aveline. And I do think, speaking of the gender divide as we were, that it says something interesting that she goes all teacher/nurturer on Aveline, Merrill and Beth, and flirts with Fenris, Varric and Carver. (I don't really draw any conclusions from that, actually. I just think it's interesting.)

[jlb524]

Quething wrote...
I don't really see Beth going for it though, more's the pity. (Carver would, but I don't see Leliana going for Carver.)

Carver definitely would...he mentions having the hots for Leliana (though he didn't use her name) in MotA.

Quething wrote...
And I do think, speaking of the gender divide as we were, that it says something interesting that she goes all teacher/nurturer on Aveline, Merrill and Beth, and flirts with Fenris, Varric and Carver. (I don't really draw any conclusions from that, actually. I just think it's interesting.)

Isabela seems more protective of women, I guess.

She tells Merrill that the 'world isn't kind to women' at one point (Act 1, The First Sacrifice quest).

[Quething]

Haha. Isabela: proto-feminist?

[Batlass8]

Quething wrote...
(And while we're on the topic, that Beth conversation is really hilarious with a queer Lady Hawke. Because if Beth isn't unfamiliar with f/f relationships in general, she must be curious about Isabela in particular. Sussing her out for big sis? Interested herself? If so, I can't fault her taste, but we may have to have words later about who saw her first.)

...and I'm late to the conversation, but that won't stop me from adding my two cents!

This is just the way I play my canon!Hawke, but she doesn't hide her interest in the ladies/gents from Bethany or Carver.  She's a little more circumspect with her parents, I think, but who isn't?  Still, she'll talk about who she thinks is attractive, or mention things in passing, but she draws the line at detailed conversations with little sis (and she won't even have those conversations with Carver).  Bethany's conversation with Isabela was probably the poor girl's first chance to ask these questions and not have the person she was asking flail their arms and run out the door on "urgent business that I forgot about."

[Sifr]

Well given how Hawke is seemingly laissez-faire enough to walk into the Gallows with either themselves (or Bethany) and their companions being active apostates, semi-abominations and blood-mages, respectively... I always figured Hawke is bisexual and very open about sexuality and such things...

Course, hearing about that from your elder brother/sister, does make me veer into the idea that it would definitely make sense for Bethany to yell "Not listening, not listening!" until she was exposed to someone like Isabela.

Would be far less awkward.

Modifié par Sifr1449, 30 novembre 2011 - 06:32 .

[Maria Caliban]

What can we say? Having the Captain of the Guard as your best buddy apparently counts for a great deal in this town. At least until you become a Champion.

[Quething]

Batlass8 wrote...
This is just the way I play my canon!Hawke, but she doesn't hide her interest in the ladies/gents from Bethany or Carver. She's a little more circumspect with her parents, I think, but who isn't? Still, she'll talk about who she thinks is attractive, or mention things in passing, but she draws the line at detailed conversations with little sis (and she won't even have those conversations with Carver).  Bethany's conversation with Isabela was probably the poor girl's first chance to ask these questions and not have the person she was asking flail their arms and run out the door on "urgent business that I forgot about."

I suppose that leads to a third possibility: she's asking Isabela because she wants insight on her sister. s/s affection isn't all that stigmatized in Ferelden that we can see, but it's still out of the ordinary and probably pretty lonely in small towns like Lothering where there're barely enough queers to fill a tub, much less constitute a dating scene. If Hawke is reluctant to tell her baby sister about her love life or confide about any related difficulties, Isabela would be a good opportunity to finally get those answers.

(Supposing she didn't know Leliana was queer, but most takes on that bit of banter seem to require that, and given how private Leliana was in the Chantry that seems likely anyway).

[tddobbs]

The way I have the story in my head, FHawke was not very active while still living at home, both because they had moved around a lot and because she was careful who she let in to her life. And, even when she did have a relationship, it was primarily guys. Things changed after she left home for the war effort, but Bethany wasn't really around to witness that.
Then in Kirkwall, Hawke and Isabela start up a flirtation. Bethany walks in on them together one morning after...which is what prompts her to ask Isabela about bedding women.

[whykikyouwhy]

...or, it could just be that it's Isabela, and Bethany really wants to chat up Isabela, because who wouldn't? She has exciting stories, after all. I know *I* want to chat her up.

I really think that regardless of Hawke's bedroom-daring-do, trysts and the like, and whatever Bethany may have thought or known about them, sometimes people like to seek guidance and knowledge from someone they don't know as well. And when that person is all manner of interesting and already talks quite freely about matters most people shy away from, well, then you have the perfect setting.

[hoorayforicecream]

For those interested, I've posted a short story to my Isabela-themed tumblr here, based on my interpretation of the story behind her blades Heartbreaker and Backstabber. If you're interested in the blog at all, you can read the fairly-regular updates at Isabela explains it all.

In a similar vein, my next story is coming along. I'm currently at around 8500 words. Hope everyone's having a good holiday season! Cheers!

[Mr.House]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

In a similar vein, my next story is coming along. I'm currently at around 8500 words. Hope everyone's having a good holiday season! Cheers!

[Maria Caliban]

How are you finding tumblr?

Don't judge me too harshly, but I'm seriously put off by the lack of 'e' in the name.

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...

How are you finding tumblr?

Don't judge me too harshly, but I'm seriously put off by the lack of 'e' in the name.

I'm enjoying it. It makes blogging easy. Generally, what you do:

1. Follow some people you find interesting. Allow people to ask you questions.
2. Get some followers (usually the people you find interesting, or just in general). If you're interesting, people will start picking up on you... I started with a handful of followers (mostly people I knew from BSN), and now I've got more.
3. Reblog stuff that people you follow post that you like, possibly adding some of your own pithy commentary should you desire to.
4. Find stuff of your own to blog about, and/or answer questions people ask you.

Repeat steps 3 and 4.

The only thing about it I dislike is that it's really meant for blogging and not conversation, which means that discussions that arise tend to be people reblogging responses to each other, and that gets harder to follow back and forth after a while. There are a few technical limitations with it, but there's a browser extension called "missing e" that helps cover some of those shortcomings.

[hoorayforicecream]

Thought you lovely folks might find this amusing. I put it together today when thinking of the forums.



Cheers.

[MegaBadExample]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Quething wrote...

You're right about the Beth comment, but I guess it doesn't have the same impact to me because that whole banter is very much in the "look at Isabela, look how sexually adventurous she is, isn't she attractive" vein. Not saying that's inherently a bad thing, but when that's the only perspective you get on a queer female's queerness, it comes across as very barsexual and insulting, like it's all about the hot girl-on-girl for whatever dude is watching and not any kind of real feeling on the part of the involved women. I just really like that there's this one line in the game that marks her liaisons with women as unequivocally about her and something she genuinely gets pleasure from, that every player can hear, regardless of their Hawke's gender or relationship status.

I dunno, if you look at the entirety of the Beth banter, it sure seems like it's about her and some genuine pleasure - at least to me.

The rest of the banter goes:

# Isabela: You see, sweetness, men are only good for one thing. Women are good for six.
# Bethany: Six? Which six?
# Hawke: Isabela!
# Isabela: (Laughs)

I never did get that joke...

[hoorayforicecream]

MegaBadExample wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I dunno, if you look at the entirety of the Beth banter, it sure seems like it's about her and some genuine pleasure - at least to me.

The rest of the banter goes:

# Isabela: You see, sweetness, men are only good for one thing. Women are good for six.
# Bethany: Six? Which six?
# Hawke: Isabela!
# Isabela: (Laughs)

I never did get that joke...

It isn’t necessarily that they are six *different* things, as much as they are often one or two wonderful things multiple times.

[Master Shiori]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Thought you lovely folks might find this amusing. I put it together today when thinking of the forums.



Cheers.

I love it! 

Thanks for posting it. 

[Quething]

Haha, I laughed forever at Carver.

I do feel your bias might be showing a bit though... or possibly mine is. XD

[hoorayforicecream]

I know Carver doesn't really hate everybody, but I did it because I thought it was funny. Wasn't really meant to be serious.

[whykikyouwhy]

I think a good portion of players find Carver to be whiny and surly, in the very least. And love him or not, even Aveline thinks he's a bit of a ******.