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[springacres]

Or, more likely, there are import bugs that haven't been fixed (yet).

[SmilesJA]

Here are the voice files for Isabela:

 

[Master Shiori]

So she cheats on Hawke from the sounds of her banter in DAIMP. 

Not really. 

 

That banter is supposed to be generic, since MP doesn't recognize Keep imports. Therefore, we're playing with Isabela which didn't romance Hawke.

[Sifr]

So she cheats on Hawke from the sounds of her banter in DAIMP. 

 

Not really, a lot of banter in DA2 implies that Hawke and Isabela have a fairly open relationship and both don't mind with the other sleeping with other people? Isabela's only compunction in MotA to Tallis flirting with Hawke is that she ask her before sleeping with them, so it works both ways?

 

Hawke even alludes to this in DAI, if you import a world-state here she's the LI.

 

"In the meantime, she's having fun. Although hopefully not too much fun."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not really. 

 

That banter is supposed to be generic, since MP doesn't recognize Keep imports. Therefore, we're playing with Isabela which didn't romance Hawke.

How does that work when people are playing MP with their Hawke having romanced Isabela? The MP is canon, like in ME3. So then even in that canon, she is doing it. 

 

 

Not really, a lot of banter in DA2 implies that Hawke and Isabela have a fairly open relationship and both don't mind with the other sleeping with other people? Isabela's only compunction in MotA to Tallis flirting with Hawke is that she ask her before sleeping with them, so it works both ways?

 

Hawke even alludes to this in DAI, if you import a world-state here she's the LI.

 

"In the meantime, she's having fun. Although hopefully too much fun."

My Hawke never agreed to anything of the sort in DA2, even telling Isabela no when she wanted to sleep with Zevran. 

 

As for DAI, if so then it's just another case where Bioware makes 'our character' not our character. 

[AresKeith]

Not really. 

 

That banter is supposed to be generic, since MP doesn't recognize Keep imports. Therefore, we're playing with Isabela which didn't romance Hawke.

 

Actually no, the made the Isabela banter vague and flirty so they don't have to account for the romanced Isabela 

[Sifr]

My Hawke never agreed to anything of the sort in DA2, even telling Isabela no when she wanted to sleep with Zevran. 

 

As for DAI, if so then it's just another case where Bioware makes 'our character' not our character. 

 

But she only stopped there because Hawke didn't want her to and she respected that, it doesn't mean she doesn't want to sleep with other people, nor that she's not done so despite being in a relationship with Hawke?

 

You can be romancing her for most of the game and you'll still get those scenes which imply that she's slept with other people, such as getting checked up in Anders clinic, or if Bran's in that scene, the implication that she slept with him so he would ignore Fenris' squatting in the abandoned mansion, which is similarly alluded to in another scene where she speaks to Fenris?

 

Nothing in DA2 ever suggested that Isabela was in a monogomous relationship with Hawke, at most they were just friends with benefits, until she realised she'd developed actual feelings for them late in the game? This doesn't mean that she suddenly became monogomous either, merely that out of all her sexual partners, Hawke is the only one she actually has feelings for, which goes to show how important that relationship is to her?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If she didn't have sex with Zevran because she respected Hawke's wishes, then it means her desire for other partners is superseded by her loyalty to Hawke and the same principle should apply to everyone else. 

 

The scene at Anders clinic happens in Act 2. The Isabela romance reaches a true relationship stage in act 3. Deciding that it was completely open relationship is absolutely not something the game should decide for the player. And the I don't see the game imply that she has sex with people without Hawke throughout their relationship. All the friends with benefits dialogue she has with Fenris does not happen if she is romancing Hawke, so obviously there is some level of fidelity. 

[Sifr]

Yeah, but there's good reason why she'd not want to sleep with Fenris if romancing Hawke, having two people she's sleeping with amongst her friends would make things awkward and complicate things, which she doesn't like? Part of the reason she has no-strings sex is because she really doesn't like complications all that much?

 

It's also why she never has any ultimatum moments if you chose to romance someone else after sleeping with her? Of course, that doesn't mean that she doesn't have feelings for Hawke, if you romance someone else, we do see signs that she has a lingering attraction to them and regret about not making more of an effort to perhaps have had a deeper relationship, before Hawke moved on?

 

We see that in Act 3, when she gets her boat back, she really wants Hawke to be her new First Mate, but if you romanced someone else, she's disappointed when you mention that you'd only be able if you brought your LI along? Same with a few dialogues with Merrill changing if you slept with her previously, sounding a tad regretful that even Merrill is able to pick up on?

 

I don't see why them having an open relationship is so bad or would diminish that romance? Yeah, Isabela might share her bed with other people besides Hawke, but she hasn't shared her heart, that's what really matters?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah, but there's good reason why she'd not want to sleep with Fenris if romancing Hawke, having two people she's sleeping with amongst her friends would make things awkward and complicate things, which she doesn't like? Part of the reason she has no-strings sex is because she really doesn't like complications all that much?

 

It's also why she never has any ultimatum moments if you chose to romance someone else after sleeping with her? Of course, that doesn't mean that she doesn't have feelings for Hawke, if you romance someone else, we do see signs that she has a lingering attraction to them and regret about not making more of an effort to perhaps have had a deeper relationship, before Hawke moved on?

 

We see that in Act 3, when she gets her boat back, she really wants Hawke to be her new First Mate, but if you romanced someone else, she's disappointed when you mention that you'd only be able if you brought your LI along? Same with a few dialogues with Merrill changing if you slept with her previously, sounding a tad regretful that even Merrill is able to pick up on?

 

I don't see why them having an open relationship is so bad or would diminish that romance? Yeah, Isabela might share her bed with other people besides Hawke, but she hasn't shared her heart, that's what really matters?

 

Because that does matter. There's a reason that Hawke has an option to tell her she/he doesn't want her having sex with Zevran. And if Hawke is down for a threesome, there's no reason to think he or she would necessarily also be fine for Isabela sleeping with other people. She doesn't seem to find it awkward for herself when three out of the four love interests sleep with Hawke. If she found her relationship with Fenris to be simple on it's own, and Hawke was ok with her sharing her bed with other people, why would it matter if it was with him?

 

Nobody has any ultimatum moments in the game, so it's not an Isabela only thing. But even if it was, you can only sleep with someone else in Act 2 before you get serious with her.

 

Hawke might be fine with an open relationship, but then again, they might not be. Dragon Age 2 seems to be able to support either scenario. It diminishes the relationship if it wasn't supposed to be open but the next game decides it was. If someone is not OK with an opening relationship, but their partner acts like it is, that would be cheating.

[Sifr]

I completely agree that Hawke has a right to not be okay with an open relationship and that I suppose the game should have allowed us to address that better, but as it was in the game, a lot of DA2 seemed to suggest that they were in a committed-but-open relationship... at least that's how it came across to me, but your mileage may vary?

 

Do I think that Isabela intentionally goes out looking for sex outside of the relationship... no, I don't think she does... but I don't think she'd turn it down either? As long as it's no-strings and she has zero emotional attachment, I don't think Isabela would consider casual sex with other partners to be cheating, but that's not to say that it doesn't consistute cheating from the point of two people in a commited, monogomous relationship?

 

I suppose it really boils down to what kind of conversation and limits they set with their relationship about this? Sadly, we're left to headcanon this, rather than the game having provided us with it, leading to this kinds of OOC banter for some people?

[Jaison1986]

I think it would be easier to have friendship/rivalry at the keep. That way how Hawke and Varric talk about companions would be different. For Isabela at least. I mean, Merrill give up on her pursuits regardless. Fenris is still bitter and broody, Sebastian gives up on the Chantry to go back to Starkhaven. But Isabela suffers a major character change. Rival Isabela wants to become a better person, while friend one couldn't care less. Isabela in Inquisition is a huge blow to anyone that rivalmanced her in DA2.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I didn't mind the notion of an open relationship, and I even sort of headcanoned that my FemHawke was semi-interested in having one. But to me, Isabela wouldn't actually agree to sex with other people unless Hawke thought it was OK. And I always imagined my Hawke would only be fine with that on occasions when they were together. 

 

And I think Isabela's dialogue supported that too. I never let her have the boat and she told me "Now that I think about it, getting a ship just doesn't seem that important. Everything I care about is here. You're here."

[Jaison1986]

That makes me wonder, what happened with Castilion? His death/survival wasn't even in the keep.

[Master Shiori]

How does that work when people are playing MP with their Hawke having romanced Isabela? The MP is canon, like in ME3. So then even in that canon, she is doing it.

 
 When did Bioware say that MP was canon?

I honestly doubt that anything that happens on MP will bave an impact on DA:I or future games. The events and characters od MP aren't even recorded on the Keep.

Also, despite her banter, Isabela doesn't actually sleep with anyone on screen.

[Ashii6]

I completely agree that Hawke has a right to not be okay with an open relationship and that I suppose the game should have allowed us to address that better, but as it was in the game, a lot of DA2 seemed to suggest that they were in a committed-but-open relationship... at least that's how it came across to me, but your mileage may vary?

 

Do I think that Isabela intentionally goes out looking for sex outside of the relationship... no, I don't think she does... but I don't think she'd turn it down either? As long as it's no-strings and she has zero emotional attachment, I don't think Isabela would consider casual sex with other partners to be cheating, but that's not to say that it doesn't consistute cheating from the point of two people in a commited, monogomous relationship?

 

I suppose it really boils down to what kind of conversation and limits they set with their relationship about this? Sadly, we're left to headcanon this, rather than the game having provided us with it, leading to this kinds of OOC banter for some people?

Um, excuse me, but WHEN game suggested that this relationship was open? I finished DA2 few days ago, because I missed it and I romanced Isabela with my Fem!Hawke as always and I don't remember anything like that.
Hawke and Isabela NEVER were in a relationship before Act 3. They were friends with benefits, so Isabela could do whatever she wanted. Same with Hawke.
Their relationship started after Izzy's personal quest with Castillon in Act 3, when after she admitted she has deeper feelings for Hawke.
Yes, Isabela still offers sex to Zevran, but we can stop it and she agrees not to go with him. That was the only, single moment in the game when Isabela wanted to sleep with someone else. I didn't like it when I played for the first time and I still don't like it.

But then again: When they're finally in a relationship nothing indicates that it's an open relationship. Nothing. She doesn't flirt with anyone ( She was with me whole act 3 ), she doesn't offer sex to anyone other than Zevran, so...? Where are these open relationship suggestions?
The only things I heard were that Isabela was finally truly happy and wants to leave WITH Hawke after the whole mess.

So, no, I won't accept that bullshit from MP, when she flirts with everyone and also offers sex. I don't even know what BW was thinking. They could kept flirting lines, but... sex? Really? They didn't think that would make some fans angry? Especially the ones that romanced her in DA2? Geeez....

 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I still don't really consider MP to be canon. It was meant to be seperate from the single player. Even if she doesn't reference any specific relationship with Hawke (she might not even necessarily be friends with Hawke anymore), The Skywatcher was one one of the other people that the latest update and the Inquisitor gets to decide if he joins the Inquisition at all.

[Sifr]

Um, excuse me, but WHEN game suggested that this relationship was open? I finished DA2 few days ago, because I missed it and I romanced Isabela with my Fem!Hawke as always and I don't remember anything like that.
Hawke and Isabela NEVER were in a relationship before Act 3. They were friends with benefits, so Isabela could do whatever she wanted. Same with Hawke.
Their relationship started after Izzy's personal quest with Castillon in Act 3, when after she admitted she has deeper feelings for Hawke.
Yes, Isabela still offers sex to Zevran, but we can stop it and she agrees not to go with him. That was the only, single moment in the game when Isabela wanted to sleep with someone else. I didn't like it when I played for the first time and I still don't like it.

But then again: When they're finally in a relationship nothing indicates that it's an open relationship. Nothing. She doesn't flirt with anyone ( She was with me whole act 3 ), she doesn't offer sex to anyone other than Zevran, so...? Where are these open relationship suggestions?
The only things I heard were that Isabela was finally truly happy and wants to leave WITH Hawke after the whole mess.

So, no, I won't accept that bullshit from MP, when she flirts with everyone and also offers sex. I don't even know what BW was thinking. They could kept flirting lines, but... sex? Really? They didn't think that would make some fans angry? Especially the ones that romanced her in DA2? Geeez....

 

I did mention that the relationship only really began in that part in Act 3, so it was friends with benefits and no-strings before, so it wouldn't have been cheating since they were obviously free to see other people?

 

As for the flirtation dialogue, If you play Legacy and MotA during Act 3 with the romance locked in, she still has a flirtation line with Carver in both DLC (leading to Hawke slightly freaking out), as well as mentioning to Sebastian that she the reason she was in the Chantry listening to a lecture was because she'd picked the "surprise me" option at the Brothel?

 

That sounds to me like it would indicate that the relationship was somewhat open, but as I said before, your mileage may vary?

 

[Call Me Jord]

I did mention that the relationship only really began in that part in Act 3, so it was friends with benefits and no-strings before, so it wouldn't have been cheating since they were obviously free to see other people?

 

As for the flirtation dialogue, If you play Legacy and MotA during Act 3 with the romance locked in, she still has a flirtation line with Carver in both DLC (leading to Hawke slightly freaking out), as well as mentioning to Sebastian that she the reason she was in the Chantry listening to a lecture was because she'd picked the "surprise me" option at the Brothel?

 

That sounds to me like it would indicate that the relationship was somewhat open, but as I said before, your mileage may vary?

 

 

I hope it was worth her money regardless lol.

 

Scratched what I said. The last time I spoke about a character that I created and led through these games, their trains of thoughts and beliefs, 2 Forum Users proceeded to breath fire down my post and explain to me how I was in the wrong.

 

I don't want people to get the same impression here.

 

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I wish I never stumbled upon this thread today. Now its to blame for me remembering this stuff.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Being flirtatious is not the same as being in an open relationship.

[TravisTrevelyan]

Just because she's flirtatious doesn't really mean anything, that's just her personality. 
And her dialogue in Act 3 pretty much supports the fact that she actually loves Hawke, regardless of what that brings. 
Abandoning the "having sex with almost anything" part? I don't think that's too far out of reach for a fully romanced Isabella. 
The freedom part, to me, just means they both go about their own lives outside the relationship Hawke as the savior of every last soul in Kirkwall, and several Petunias. 
Isabella with wearing a big hat and owning a ship. It's also heavily implied that if Hawke survives the Fade that their LI joins them after they leave Weishauppt. 
Too much fun probably means "not taking over multiple pirate ships and stealing important Qunari artifacts without me present" 

Also is it just me or is Isabella the Dragon Age version of Shaundi? 

[TravisTrevelyan]

And MP is canon in the sense, that, agents operated in certain areas outside of what the Inquisitor was doing. And the agents are mentioned in numerous war table operations, and can be seen in multiple locations around Skyhold

[SmilesJA]

So Isabela joined the Inquisition and Hawke didn't know about it?

[Milan92]

 

"In the meantime, she's having fun. Although hopefully too much fun."

 

Actually its "Althought hopefully not too much fun.".

[Sifr]

Actually its "Althought hopefully not too much fun.".

 

Amended, was trying to remember the exact quote.