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[nightcobra]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Its been a while since I started a new warden but my recollection was that my warden slept with Morrigan after Lothering + 1 big quest element (ie, Redcliff, Mage, Dalish...) That's how I can up with the 2 month (rough) estimate.

I talked with her and was relatively nice. She offered up immediately after I left Lothering.

well, morrigan did say flemmeth expected her to lure men. ugh *shivers* i don't want to hear the tales of flemmeth and the chasind

[Icinix]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Its been a while since I started a new warden but my recollection was that my warden slept with Morrigan after Lothering + 1 big quest element (ie, Redcliff, Mage, Dalish...) That's how I can up with the 2 month (rough) estimate.

I talked with her and was relatively nice. She offered up immediately after I left Lothering.

well, morrigan did say flemmeth expected her to lure men. ugh *shivers* i don't want to hear the tales of flemmeth and the chasind

..I could stand here a bit longer.

[AtreiyaN7]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Its been a while since I started a new warden but my recollection was that my warden slept with Morrigan after Lothering + 1 big quest element (ie, Redcliff, Mage, Dalish...) That's how I can up with the 2 month (rough) estimate.

I talked with her and was relatively nice. She offered up immediately after I left Lothering.

well, morrigan did say flemmeth expected her to lure men. ugh *shivers* i don't want to hear the tales of flemmeth and the chasind

*hand you earplugs* There, you're prepared now!  I'm occasionally helpful like that - could be because I had strawberry pie for breakfast earlier. Dessert for breakfast = win.

[nightcobra]

a female mix of Malcom Reynolds and Han Solo? an explosive pairing to be sure.

[Maconbar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Its been a while since I started a new warden but my recollection was that my warden slept with Morrigan after Lothering + 1 big quest element (ie, Redcliff, Mage, Dalish...) That's how I can up with the 2 month (rough) estimate.

I talked with her and was relatively nice. She offered up immediately after I left Lothering.

OK. I guess what I was trying to get at is that there is a presumed flow of time within DA:O and clearly within DA:2. In DA:2 they have explained that we are only seeing the highlights of Hawke's life over this 10-year period. In DA:O I don't think the illusion of the passage of time is conveyed very well but time does pass. In any event if your warden sleeps with Morrigan after Lothering, he got to know from the time that he spent travelling with her from the Wilds to Lothering and completing any necessary quests there.

[Aermas]

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Liberals did not invent the idea of having multiple partners. It's existed throughout human history and certainly predates modern, American political terms.
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I'm not talking about political liberals, I'm talking about liberal I can do whatever I want because I feel like it.

[mellifera]

Bruddajakka wrote...

yukidama wrote...

For Morrigan sleeping with the Warden the first time I don't necessarily think that's true. It depends more on how early or late in the game you choose to follow through with this, but you can do it pretty early when way less than 2 months should have passed.

Well the timeline on that is pretty subjective. Most of the time in my games she ends up having sex with the Warden the first time they make camp.

Who someone has had sex with doesn't determine who that person is, or isn't, and if you think it does your an idiot.

I hope that last bit wasn't directed at me because

[Pacifien]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I'm going with Mal/Han influence with Inara's sexually liberated attitude.

Definitely Mal/Han. Not so much the Inara, because I find her extremely dull. I almost want to say there's a bit of Zoe in there, because I love Zoe , but I can't. That would be deliberately misleading. Zoe is very much the military woman who takes orders and carries them out well and Isabela is... not.

Zoe and Sten staring competition. Go.

No wait, this is the Isabela thread.

Actually, I'm wondering if there have been any memorable women characters in the vein of Mal or Han Solo. Which would mean I'd have to find a way to describe those two and then see if that applies to any other characters. Roguish. Brash. Charming. Cynical. They're your bad boys that girls like because they're not really bad.

I know we were only talking influences, but it does make me wonder about Isabela being an analogue to those type of characters. Or if gender brings certain perceptions to that type of character that people really can't visualize a woman counterpart to Han Solo.

[upsettingshorts]

Aermas wrote...

I'm not talking about political liberals, I'm talking about liberal I can do whatever I want because I feel like it.

No, you're talking about absolute vs. relativistic morality.  You might not know it, but ya are.

[Sevens]

David Gaider wrote...
Telling a woman that she shouldn't be offended by the word "sl*t" because it's factual would be like telling a black person that they shouldn't be offended by the n-word or a gay person that they shouldn't be offended by the f-word. After all, aren't those words just descriptions for something that is true?

No, they probably aren't. But that depends on your specific definition/understanding of "true". At any rate, the question indeed is whether an expression is socially accepted, irrespective of whether it's (a description of something that is) true or false.


P.S.:

the_one_54321 wrote...
Seriously, you two are no better than he is. Perhaps he's being insensitive and insulting. I won't argue against that. But Gaider made it darn clear that responding with the same kind of attacks is not allowed here. If you're going to keep up with him on this back and forth I, even if I am the only one that does it, will report all of you.

Naturally. You're the one (_54321).

Modifié par Sevens, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:21 .

[upsettingshorts]

Words express ideas and imply values.



Some words have implied meanings beyond the simple idea they convey.



Which is why you can have two words cover the same idea but one has more implications associated with it. There are countless examples.

[Maria Caliban]

Aermas wrote...

Liberals did not invent the idea of having multiple partners. It's existed throughout human history and certainly predates modern, American political terms.

I'm not talking about political liberals, I'm talking about liberal I can do whatever I want because I feel like it.

Using 'liberal' as a synonym for 'sociopath' isn't fair dinkum. 

[Aermas]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Aermas wrote...

I'm not talking about political liberals, I'm talking about liberal I can do whatever I want because I feel like it.

No, you're talking about absolute vs. relativistic morality.  You might not know it, but ya are.

There are certain social rules that govern a population, in our society most of those rules have been given up. Some for the better, i.e. equality, some of them bad, i.e. the Maury Show

This is going to be my last off topic comment I think this has derailed a bit.

To get back on topic, do you think she will have a Mediterranean Accent or a Caribbean?

[nightcobra]

Pacifien wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I'm going with Mal/Han influence with Inara's sexually liberated attitude.

Definitely Mal/Han. Not so much the Inara, because I find her extremely dull. I almost want to say there's a bit of Zoe in there, because I love Zoe , but I can't. That would be deliberately misleading. Zoe is very much the military woman who takes orders and carries them out well and Isabela is... not.

Zoe and Sten staring competition. Go.

No wait, this is the Isabela thread.

Actually, I'm wondering if there have been any memorable women characters in the vein of Mal or Han Solo. Which would mean I'd have to find a way to describe those two and then see if that applies to any other characters. Roguish. Brash. Charming. Cynical. They're your bad boys that girls like because they're not really bad.

I know we were only talking influences, but it does make me wonder about Isabela being an analogue to those type of characters. Or if gender brings certain perceptions to that type of character that people really can't visualize a woman counterpart to Han Solo.

good point, well i'm certainly intrigued to see how the han solo archetype works when written for a woman.

[Seagloom]

Pacifien wrote...
Zoe and Sten staring competition. Go.

No wait, this is the Isabela thread.

Actually, I'm wondering if there have been any memorable women characters in the vein of Mal or Han Solo. Which would mean I'd have to find a way to describe those two and then see if that applies to any other characters. Roguish. Brash. Charming. Cynical. They're your bad boys that girls like because they're not really bad.

I know we were only talking influences, but it does make me wonder about Isabela being an analogue to those type of characters. Or if gender brings certain perceptions to that type of character that people really can't visualize a woman counterpart to Han Solo.

This may not count as "memorable" and is actually not a fictional character, but when I think of possible influences for Isabela, Julie d'Aubigny instantly springs to mind. Naturally I have no idea how accurate a comparison that is, knowing nothing of the DA2 character. It was just what sprang to mind when trying to picture a brash, roguish, charming woman that is not to be messed with.

Modifié par Seagloom, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:15 .

[KhorinShizucor]

Aermas wrote...
To get back on topic, do you think she will have a Mediterranean Accent or a Caribbean?

Her voice should be about the same as Origins but with a different voice actor. (Confirmed by David Gaider)

Modifié par KhorinShizucor, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:28 .

[Icinix]

.... isn't fair dinkum. 

..I love it when people talk dirty!

[Backstage]

what if isabela's last name is sparrow?

[the_one_54321]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
a female mix of Malcom Reynolds and Han Solo? an explosive pairing to be sure.

That strikes me as a little bit odd given how idealistic Mal was. At least in the back of his head. Han, on the other hand really tried hard to not care, and just couldn't help himself from caring anyway. Isabela on the other hand just ran away. Or at least she did in DA:O.

[Maria Caliban]

Seagloom wrote...
This may not count as "memorable" and is actually not a fictional character, but when I think of possible influences for Isabela, Julie d'Aubigny instantly springs to mind. Naturally I have no idea how accurate a comparison that is, knowing nothing of the DA2 character. It was just what sprang to mind when trying to picture a brash, roguish, charming woman that is not to be messed with.

Wiki link for those who aren't history or opera buffs.

"Eventually she grew bored of Serannes and became involved with a young lady. When the girl's parents put her away in a convent in Avignon, d'Aubigny followed, entering the convent as a novice. There she stole a body of a dead nun, placed it in the bed of her lover and set the room afire to cover their escape. Their affair lasted for three months before the young lady returned to her family. D'Aubigny was charged in absentia - as a male - with kidnapping, body snatching, arson and failing to appear before the tribunal. The sentence was death by fire."

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:19 .

[Ammonite]

Pacifien wrote...
Maybe the influence was really Chewbacca. Oh... no... that just... I probably just opened up a can of worms there but I can't bring myself to delete it.

Now I find myself wondering if I'm putting too much into it, or if it's a reference to something you know that I don't.

Sheryl Chee wrote...
Definitely Mal/Han.

...!
...are you guys allowed to tell us if Isabela is romanceable for femHawke?

[Maria Caliban]

Ammonite wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...
Definitely Mal/Han.

...!
...are you guys allowed to tell us if Isabela is romanceable for femHawke?

I had assumed that was the case. It would be more than passingly odd if it weren't.

Icinix wrote...

.... isn't fair dinkum. 

..I love it when people talk dirty!

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 octobre 2010 - 09:24 .

[Bruddajakka]

the_one_54321 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
a female mix of Malcom Reynolds and Han Solo? an explosive pairing to be sure.

That strikes me as a little bit odd given how idealistic Mal was. At least in the back of his head. Han, on the other hand really tried hard to not care, and just couldn't help himself from caring anyway. Isabela on the other hand just ran away. Or at least she did in DA:O.

So did Hawke.

[the_one_54321]

Bruddajakka wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
a female mix of Malcom Reynolds and Han Solo? an explosive pairing to be sure.

That strikes me as a little bit odd given how idealistic Mal was. At least in the back of his head. Han, on the other hand really tried hard to not care, and just couldn't help himself from caring anyway. Isabela on the other hand just ran away. Or at least she did in DA:O.

So did Hawke.

And he ends up a champion, sure. But what of the motivations? What of what's going on behind the eyes?

[Enshaid]

Ammonite wrote...
..I love it when people talk dirty!