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[Onyx Jaguar]

A different VA and a different Model, but the name and occupation are the same. Ok...

[aaniadyen]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A different VA and a different Model, but the name and occupation are the same. Ok...

It is a bit of a retcon, but this model is closer to how she['s supposed ot look according to lore anyway. Besides...how can you argue with a pantsless woman!?

[UberDuber]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Is the VA the same

No It's a different VA. I hope they don't hire a new VA for Alistair, Morrigan or Flemeth, you know characters which have unique voices which CAN'T be changed. Or at least shouldn't. The horror.

[upsettingshorts]

filaminstrel wrote...
Well did they actually confirm it's the very same Isabela or did they just say "it's Isabela" and not explicitly rule out the possibility of the aforementioned dread pirate Roberts situation?

It's the same Isabela.  The Dread Pirate Roberts situation doesn't apply, or this Isabela and DA:O's Isabela would be contemporaries - unlike how Roberts worked - that look similar and happen to be from the same country. 

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A different VA and a different Model, but the name and occupation are the same. Ok...

Artistic license.  Remember when Roger Moore Daniel Craig replaced Sean Connery Pierce Brosnan as James Bond?  They looked different, sounded different, heck even acted different.  It's still James Bond, and you can still prefer one actor over the other, but it's certainly not new, odd, or indefensible.

Modificata da Upsettingshorts, 28 ottobre 2010 - 05:48 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

aaniadyen wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A different VA and a different Model, but the name and occupation are the same. Ok...

It is a bit of a retcon, but this model is closer to how she['s supposed ot look according to lore anyway. Besides...how can you argue with a pantsless woman!?

Very easily since the fact that she is pantless gives a very good starting point for an argument

[Zanaide]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Is the VA the same

Nope!

[Onyx Jaguar]

UberDuber wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Is the VA the same

No It's a different VA. I hope they don't hire a new VA for Alistair, Morrigan or Flemeth, you know characters which have unique voices which CAN'T be changed. Or at least shouldn't. The horror.

Halo 3 did this and it was quite terrible and a horrible atrocity.  ME 2 didn't I hope DA 2 shys away from it.

Besides Alistair and Morrigan can die, might as well leave em out if you can't get the actor to reprise the role...

[aaniadyen]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A different VA and a different Model, but the name and occupation are the same. Ok...

It is a bit of a retcon, but this model is closer to how she['s supposed ot look according to lore anyway. Besides...how can you argue with a pantsless woman!?

Very easily since the fact that she is pantless gives a very good starting point for an argument

Sooo not what I meant.

[nightcobra]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A different VA and a different Model, but the name and occupation are the same. Ok...

It is a bit of a retcon, but this model is closer to how she['s supposed ot look according to lore anyway. Besides...how can you argue with a pantsless woman!?

Very easily since the fact that she is pantless gives a very good starting point for an argument

and probably a throwing knife to the face (or groin) if you pick up the wrong words in which to start that arguement:whistle:

[upsettingshorts]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Halo 3 did this and it was quite terrible and a horrible atrocity.  ME 2 didn't I hope DA 2 shys away from it.

Besides Alistair and Morrigan can die, might as well leave em out if you can't get the actor to reprise the role...

/points up at his James Bond example

Actors and appearances can change.  As long as the character they are playing remains relatively consistent, I have no problems.

Modificata da Upsettingshorts, 28 ottobre 2010 - 05:50 .

[Pacifien]

Well, since there seem to have been quite a few Isabela threads to have risen and fallen in the past day or so, seems a roundup of developer comments is in order. Here's one from David Gaider:

We considered keeping her looking as she did, but considering she was a pretty minor character in DAO it seems a bit self-limiting to keep her with the same look when we could do amazing things with a redesign. I think she looks great (and she was always Rivaini and dark-skinned, as I recall the lighting in the Pearl just made it difficult to tell).

As for the voice, it's a different voice actress but she sounds much the same as she did.

I guess the question would be: why not make it a whole new character, then? I suppose it's because we like Isabela, and we like the story that her being that Isabela brings into the mix. At any rate, Sheryl did a pretty awesome job on her. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

[UberDuber]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Is the VA the same

No It's a different VA. I hope they don't hire a new VA for Alistair, Morrigan or Flemeth, you know characters which have unique voices which CAN'T be changed. Or at least shouldn't. The horror.

Halo 3 did this and it was quite terrible and a horrible atrocity.  ME 2 didn't I hope DA 2 shys away from it.

Besides Alistair and Morrigan can die, might as well leave em out if you can't get the actor to reprise the role...

Morrigan didn't die, she got stabbed. Alistair can die, but I mean come on? Who killed Alistair? Plus he has already been confirmed by his VA that he will make an appearence/cameo or something in DA2.

[Aermas]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A different VA and a different Model, but the name and occupation are the same. Ok...

It is a bit of a retcon, but this model is closer to how she['s supposed ot look according to lore anyway. Besides...how can you argue with a pantsless woman!?

Very easily since the fact that she is pantless gives a very good starting point for an argument

and probably a throwing knife to the face (or groin) if you pick up the wrong words in which to start that arguement:whistle:

Or an invitation to learn her skills at "dueling"

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Halo 3 did this and it was quite terrible and a horrible atrocity.  ME 2 didn't I hope DA 2 shys away from it.

Besides Alistair and Morrigan can die, might as well leave em out if you can't get the actor to reprise the role...

/points up at his James Bond example

Actors and appearances can change.  As long as the character they are playing remains relatively consistent, I have no problems.

exactly, kinda curious and eager to hear the work of the new isabela's VA since she's never voiced a bioware character yet.

[Pacifien]

More David Gaider with a splash of Saibh:

David Gaider wrote...

Saibh wrote...
EDIT: Also, I won't mind a voice actor change. She sounded exactly like Anora and I couldn't get over it.

She was the same actress as Anora, actually. That's one of the reasons for the change. We didn't want major characters in DA2 to share voice actors with major characters in DAO (unless they were the same character, of course). And you heard a lot more from Anora than you did from Isabela.

[HighMoon]

The ones saying she looks physically unappealing need to take a look at some OTHER images of her, where she a lot better IMO.




It's like I said earlier, many of the characters just tend to be photographed on unfortunate angles. Lady Hawke and Varric are examples, there chins/jaws looked a lot bigger in some shots than they do others. In one particular shot Lady Hawke in fact looks quite narrow-faced (but not in a bad way).

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well, James Bond is a written work, unless you have a situation like when Richard Harris died I never see the justification, as an actors performance can define the character, more than words can and can rarely be replicated by another actor.



But in this case Isabela is such a minor character that it really doesn't matter a whole lot. Think Eli Vance from the Half-Life games.

[Riona45]

UberDuber wrote...
 Alistair can die, but I mean come on? Who killed Alistair?

Some people did.  If one imports a game in which he was executed, they most likely won't get a cameo.

[mellifera]

UberDuber wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Is the VA the same

No It's a different VA. I hope they don't hire a new VA for Alistair, Morrigan or Flemeth, you know characters which have unique voices which CAN'T be changed. Or at least shouldn't. The horror.

Isabela wasn't exactly one of their major, iconic characters, so them changing her up isn't going to cause much problem. Flemeth has the same VA, Steve Valentine said he was doing some work for DA2 on twitter and well, Morrigan, if they got her for a DLC I am sure they'd probably make the effort if she shows up in the game at some point.

Modificata da yukidama, 28 ottobre 2010 - 05:54 .

[Bruddajakka]

The voices did sound pretty different. Isabela actually sounded more like Bella then she did Anora...looked like her too. Same VA as well.

[NKKKK]

If the links to DA:O inform on her character and make her arc more interesting, you'll be wrong.

This is complete bull**** and you know it. She's the same character, but a radically different new look and even a new VA.

They should have just made her a new character and cut all these messy links.

Hell there was evne a way I bet to maker her resmbler her DA:O look while taking a new direction with it...but this...this is too much.

You'll realize I'm right when they change someone like Morrigan. And that's what I fear.

Modificata da NKKKK, 28 ottobre 2010 - 05:57 .

[Riona45]

@Golden-Rose--I agree that Isabela looks great in those stills.

[upsettingshorts]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well, James Bond is a written work, unless you have a situation like when Richard Harris died I never see the justification, as an actors performance can define the character, more than words can and can rarely be replicated by another actor.

But in this case Isabela is such a minor character that it really doesn't matter a whole lot. Think Eli Vance from the Half-Life games.

Of course they can define characters, for example William Shatner is James T. Kirk, but characters can and often do get redefined - even major ones - all the time.  Sometimes for the better, sometimes it just doesn't live up to expectations.  Chris Pine did a fair job in the role, for example.

Like you say though, Isabela is such a minor character in DA:O that I understand Bioware not forcing themselves to be limited by whatever choices they made regarding such an insignificant part of DA:O simply for the sake of continuity especially with regards to things like VA and appearance.

NKKKK wrote...
This is complete bull**** and you know it. She's the same character, but a radically different new look and even a new VA.

They should have just made her a new character and cut all these messy links.

No, it's called critical thinking.  You can't know the links are messy because you don't know what they are.  Your issue with her voice and appearance have nothing to do with how she will be written.  Not a thing.  Your argument is based on facts not in evidence. 

Modificata da Upsettingshorts, 28 ottobre 2010 - 05:57 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Basically I guess my complaint with this situation is that there really wasn't much of a character in DA:O, and here we have a different model and different VA so I suppose on a design doc that isn't going to be made public that has some grand plans I really do not see the point in having her be the same character. I guess some who played DA:O would dig the reference, but I am not one of them.

[nightcobra]

if i'm seeing this correctly, hawke and his party are now located in a chantry...hmm i wonder what type of segment it is...judging from hawke it could be an exaggerated section.