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[Riona45]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
You're no fun. Some people have dead ex's in real life, too, but you don't see them whining about it here.

...

Okay, whatever.

[mellifera]

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I've just played so many JRPGs that this is a constant fear of mine

Ashe - is a Queen and saves her kingdom, has no LI
Aeris - sacrifices herself to save the planet, entirely takes the lead in the romance
Rinoa - flirts, takes lead, opens up, ends up saving the beau
Lightning - has no LI, consistantly kickes [donkey]
Yuna - intends to save planet with her life, opens up to the beau, is devistated when he dies but takes a leading role in government leadership thereafter

Yeah that is sort of what I was thinking...jrpgs do not equal a weak female lead.

Did not say it did, just that it's an issue in the genre. Which I am not going to get into because that's a whole other can of worms that I don't feel like getting near right now, and what is a weak lead to you may nor be to me and vice versa.

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I've just played so many JRPGs that this is a constant fear of mine

Ashe - is a Queen and saves her kingdom, has no LI
Aeris - sacrifices herself to save the planet, entirely takes the lead in the romance
Rinoa - flirts, takes lead, opens up, ends up saving the beau
Lightning - has no LI, consistantly kickes [donkey]
Yuna - intends to save planet with her life, opens up to the beau, is devistated when he dies but takes a leading role in government leadership thereafter

Yeah that is sort of what I was thinking...jrpgs do not equal a weak female lead.

Did not say it did, just that it's an issue in the genre. Which I am not going to get into because that's a whole other can of worms that I don't feel like getting near right now, and what is a weak lead to you may nor be to me and vice versa.

Truth because I failed to see a lot of Morrigans so called strength so I will chalk it up to personal preference and call it a day.

And its an issue in games in general not just JRPGs.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[Dave of Canada]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

You're no fun. Some people have dead ex's in real life, too, but you don't see them whining about it here.

You... you remind me of my ex... she was a pretty woman.... I love you... but I love her too.... I don't trust you!

My son joined the Sith!

Help me, my love! You remind me of my ex!

[ENolan]

yukidama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I've just played so many JRPGs that this is a constant fear of mine

Ashe - is a Queen and saves her kingdom, has no LI
Aeris - sacrifices herself to save the planet, entirely takes the lead in the romance
Rinoa - flirts, takes lead, opens up, ends up saving the beau
Lightning - has no LI, consistantly kickes [donkey]
Yuna - intends to save planet with her life, opens up to the beau, is devistated when he dies but takes a leading role in government leadership thereafter

Yeah that is sort of what I was thinking...jrpgs do not equal a weak female lead.

Did not say it did, just that it's an issue in the genre. Which I am not going to get into because that's a whole other can of worms that I don't feel like getting near right now, and what is a weak lead to you may nor be to me and vice versa.

Agreed. Love does not make for a weak lead. Besides, Lightning falls in love after the events of XIII when.... WHOOPS! BAD DIRECTOR! NO REVEALING FUTURE EVENTS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN!

Wow, what a metaphor.

[Maria Caliban]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Who said anything about rescuing? I just think the "excitement! Sex! More Excitement! More sex! Dark intrigue! More Sex! Witty banter! More sex! Confrontation! More sex! Adventure! More sex! Oh yeah, and more sex!" Is all really empty as far as a story, or more to the point, an enjoyable love story goes. I actually don't want to have a foursome. I want to have a connection.

That's like saying, "I don't want a cookie. I want to have a glass of milk."

Have a connection and a foursome.

[mellifera]

Ryzaki wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I've just played so many JRPGs that this is a constant fear of mine

Ashe - is a Queen and saves her kingdom, has no LI
Aeris - sacrifices herself to save the planet, entirely takes the lead in the romance
Rinoa - flirts, takes lead, opens up, ends up saving the beau
Lightning - has no LI, consistantly kickes [donkey]
Yuna - intends to save planet with her life, opens up to the beau, is devistated when he dies but takes a leading role in government leadership thereafter

Yeah that is sort of what I was thinking...jrpgs do not equal a weak female lead.

Did not say it did, just that it's an issue in the genre. Which I am not going to get into because that's a whole other can of worms that I don't feel like getting near right now, and what is a weak lead to you may nor be to me and vice versa.

Truth because I failed to see a lot of Morrigans so called strength so I will chalk it up to personal preference and call it a day.

And its an issue in games in general not just JRPGs.

True, but I personally find it more blatant in JRPGs. May be a cultural difference as well.

[the_one_54321]

If there is a "strong" female character in DA:O that is also an LI, it's Leliana. She is everywhere she is because of her own choices. Morrigan arguably gets swept up into things she doesn't originally want to be a part of, then tries to leave and ends up failing at that in the end.

Isabela's trope/archetype fits most closely with Leliana's so that could mean she'll follow a similar path, but writers are a fickle fickle breed. Sometimes they like to subvert the trope just for their own sadistic kicks!

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

True, but I personally find it more blatant in JRPGs. May be a cultural difference as well.

I suppose I am more forgiving due to said cultural differences. With western games I feel there really is no excuse.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

You're no fun. Some people have dead ex's in real life, too, but you don't see them whining about it here.

You... you remind me of my ex... she was a pretty woman.... I love you... but I love her too.... I don't trust you!

My son joined the Sith!

Help me, my love! You remind me of my ex!

Oghren: You remind me of Branka sometimes.

Sigrun: I remind you of your ex-wife, who fed her entire house to darkspawn in search for a magical anvil?

Oghren: Yes... well, no, not when you put it that way.

Sigrun: Smooth, Oghren. Real smooth.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Dave of Canada wrote...
You... you remind me of my ex... she was a pretty woman.... I love you... but I love her too.... I don't trust you!
My son joined the Sith!
Help me, my love! You remind me of my ex!

Help help my son is Raiden with bronchitis!

[Chicken Fried Rice]

the_one_54321 wrote...

If there is a "strong" female character in DA:O that is also an LI, it's Leliana. She is everywhere she is because of her own choices. Morrigan arguably gets swept up into things she doesn't originally want to be a part of, then tries to leave and ends up failing at that in the end.
Isabela's trope/archetype fits most closely with Leliana's so that could mean she'll follow a similar path, but writers are a fickle fickle breed. Sometimes they like to subvert the trope just for their own sadistic kicks!

thats why she commits suicide......................

[Saibh]

the_one_54321 wrote...

If there is a "strong" female character in DA:O that is also an LI, it's Leliana. She is everywhere she is because of her own choices. Morrigan arguably gets swept up into things she doesn't originally want to be a part of, then tries to leave and ends up failing at that in the end.
Isabela's trope/archetype fits most closely with Leliana's so that could mean she'll follow a similar path, but writers are a fickle fickle breed. Sometimes they like to subvert the trope just for their own sadistic kicks!

...She's where she is because she ran away out of fear her lover and mentor was going to kill her. She obeyed the wishes of her god and followed the Warden and Morrigan obeyed the wishes of her mother (when she herself wanted to explore as well).

That's not weak, but that's not exactly strong, either. Morrigan is strong in her convictions and beliefs, as is Leliana. I think they represent different sorts of strength.

[Ryzaki]

Chicken Fried Rice wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

If there is a "strong" female character in DA:O that is also an LI, it's Leliana. She is everywhere she is because of her own choices. Morrigan arguably gets swept up into things she doesn't originally want to be a part of, then tries to leave and ends up failing at that in the end.
Isabela's trope/archetype fits most closely with Leliana's so that could mean she'll follow a similar path, but writers are a fickle fickle breed. Sometimes they like to subvert the trope just for their own sadistic kicks!

thats why she commits suicide......................

Yeah...that sort of creeped me out.

Supposedly Alistair has something similar (not suicidal but his life supposedly no longer has meaning) frankly either way its creepy. People die. I would not find it romantic for my partner to mourn my death so much when I died that he/she ended up being a shell.

The only strong female (that wasn:t also a hypocrite) I found to be was Flemeth. (Not sure about Awakening characters I steered clear of the expansion)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:45 .

[HighMoon]

I wonder what Isabela thinks about children? Both in general and the possibility of her own. Somehow I'd think she would consider them an inconvenience... since she is a pirate she may feel they are too much of a burden on her free-spirited nature. Since the story spans 10 years however there is a possibility that she may be knocked up by Hawke if he is her LI. Should be interesting to see whether or not that aspect is incorporated into the storyline.



That hint from the Devs about there being romances outside you and your LI has me excited as well. I can see Isabela being flirty with some of the male and female members of the party... and with many varying reactions. She might have a bit of very light flirtation with Varric, but Sheryl described them as being friends/gossipers. Other than that the only male companion we know of is Carver, and we know Isabela comes into contact with him at at least one point in the story as proven by that screenshot. Would she flirt with him? Perhaps she would play with him occasionally, but I doubt think she would get involved in anything serious. He seems a bit too... dumb for her tastes (no offence, brother dearest).

[Riona45]

Golden-Rose wrote...
Other than that the only male companion we know of is Carver, and we know Isabela comes into contact with him at at least one point in the story as proven by that screenshot. Would she flirt with him? Perhaps she would play with him occasionally, but I doubt think she would get involved in anything serious. He seems a bit too... dumb for her tastes (no offence, brother dearest).

To be fair, do we have anything to go on other than a screenshot in which he sorta kinda looks dumb?

[the_one_54321]

Saibh wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
If there is a "strong" female character in DA:O that is also an LI, it's Leliana. She is everywhere she is because of her own choices. Morrigan arguably gets swept up into things she doesn't originally want to be a part of, then tries to leave and ends up failing at that in the end.
Isabela's trope/archetype fits most closely with Leliana's so that could mean she'll follow a similar path, but writers are a fickle fickle breed. Sometimes they like to subvert the trope just for their own sadistic kicks!

...She's where she is because she ran away out of fear her lover and mentor was going to kill her. She obeyed the wishes of her god and followed the Warden and Morrigan obeyed the wishes of her mother (when she herself wanted to explore as well).

That's not weak, but that's not exactly strong, either. Morrigan is strong in her convictions and beliefs, as is Leliana. I think they represent different sorts of strength.

She hid originally, but she makes it pretty clear that she likes the Chantry and had intended to stay there until the Warden showed up, at which point she insisted that she go with him. (assuming he doesn't refuse her of course) And she makes up her own mind about who she wants to be. (through your dialog choices of course) 

Ryzaki wrote...

Chicken Fried Rice wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
If there is a "strong" female character in DA:O that is also an LI, it's Leliana. She is everywhere she is because of her own choices. Morrigan arguably gets swept up into things she doesn't originally want to be a part of, then tries to leave and ends up failing at that in the end.
Isabela's trope/archetype fits most closely with Leliana's so that could mean she'll follow a similar path, but writers are a fickle fickle breed. Sometimes they like to subvert the trope just for their own sadistic
kicks!

thats why she commits suicide......................

Yeah...that sort of creeped me out.

Supposedly Alistair has something similar (not suicidal but his life supposedly no longer has meaning) frankly either way its creepy. People die. I would not find it romantic for my partner to mourn my death so much when I died that he/she ended up being a shell.

W. T. F. are you talking about? 

Modifié par the_one_54321, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:47 .

[Ryzaki]

If Alistair remains a warden and is in love with the female PC who commits the US doesn:t he have a rather depressing ending slide? No I am not talking about him remaining king.

As does Zevran for that matter.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:48 .

[mellifera]

Maaaaan... I'm not a big fan of love triangles in the least. So, do not want.

[the_one_54321]

Well it's a tragic ending, yeah. That's how tragedy works. But what's this about suicide?

[Saibh]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah...that sort of creeped me out.

Supposedly Alistair has something similar (not suicidal but his life supposedly no longer has meaning) frankly either way its creepy. People die. I would not find it romantic for my partner to mourn my death so much when I died that he/she ended up being a shell.

The only strong female (that wasn:t also a hypocrite) I found to be was Flemeth. (Not sure about Awakening characters I steered clear of the expansion)

/le shrug

It depends on the person. Alistair is never that keen on staying with the Wardens if you (female or male, romanced or not romanced) die. The real reason he loved the Wardens is because he felt he belonged somewhere for the first time in his life, that he had a family. When all of the other Wardens died at Ostagar, that was gone. Rebuilding that isn't the same--he says so himself. He's now a senior Warden that helped defeat the Archdemon. If his friend died, that only adds to the painful memories.

He leaves the Wardens and Ferelden (in my opinion) because there's nothing left for him there. The threat of darkspawn has been eradicated. If he's alive and a Warden, that only means he wasn't made king, so Anora is breathing down his neck and constantly suspicious of him.

As for Leliana killing herself...yeah. That's just not cool. I think the girl needed friends who were not the Warden. All she had was him, and she was a bit unstable to begin with. I don't think that it's necessarily something she wouldn't have done, however.

Modifié par Saibh, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:50 .

[Ryzaki]

Her hitting on Carver could be hilarious though especially if Hawke can be overprotective of their little brother.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Well it's a tragic ending, yeah. That's how tragedy works. But what's this about suicide?

Leliana is strongly implied to have offed herself if she is unhardened when the Warden commits the US.

[Ortaya Alevli]

I wouldn't say Morrigan is truly strong in her convictions and beliefs. It may seem that way mainly because she has not experienced the alternatives. The Warden can do a good job at breaking her beliefs on love, for example. Can't think of any other example right now, but that's mostly due to a lack of chance for an in-depth discussion of her other, seemingly solid views.

[the_one_54321]

Saibh wrote...
As for Leliana killing herself...yeah. That's just not cool.

What is this? What the heck is going on? I'm so confused!