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[Zulu_DFA]

The "Lair of the Shadow Broker" was good and all (as "good" as DLC for ME2 can be anyway, and still as personal preference I would rate Mordin's recruitment plus loyalty missions higher than LotSB).

But where were all the renegade options and interrupts? What happened to the Ruthless Shepard, who used to execute PoWs, like on Torfan, and sacrificed hostages in the skies of Terra Nova to kill/capture Balak?


Why there was no option to open rapid fire (without all the stupid rant about the spectres) to finish Vasir before she magically forgot that she was badly wounded? Kill the hostage but skip the.. er... tedious boss fight?

Why there was no option to interrupt Vasir's BS about the Good Guy Shadow Broker by breaking her neck Samara-style?
"You shouldn't worry about the Shadow Broker now", should've been the most of what the Ruthless Shepard had to say in that scene.

Why there was no option to lecture Liara that when the Galaxy is at stake you can't fixate on a few casualties during the "suicide mission"? Why did the "I am OK" option sound like "I am done for"?

Seriously, LotSB is so out of character of the Ruthless Shepard, that I think (as the title says) he actually had his cyber-stomach upset all the time of it.


Also, it would have been nice to have Nixeris back in Liara's office after the mission (if you botched the "Observer" quest).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 octobre 2010 - 12:44 .

[SimonTheFrog]

I agree on Nixeris, even though it seems pretty minor as she would only say "its an honor to work for Liara... is there anything else?". But it would make sense to have her being alive and all.



About the ruthlessness. Well, if you miss that kind of responses than the DLC seems to have a different approach to it. Maybe they really think differently about renegade nowadays? Less mindless killing and more about being smart, perhaps? I dunno.

It seems anyway (like discussed in several places here) that being renegade can mean a wide spectrum of things, possibly depending highly on the writer of a certain part. Maybe the writer of the lotSB dialogs wasn't into the ruthless thing much.

[Zulu_DFA]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Maybe they really think differently about renegade nowadays? Less mindless killing and more about being smart, perhaps? I dunno.

Only it's the Ruthless Shepard who is the smartest. Because ruthless means efficient, not cruel.

SimonTheFrog wrote...
It seems anyway (like discussed in several places here) that being renegade can mean a wide spectrum of things, possibly depending highly on the writer of a certain part. Maybe the writer of the lotSB dialogs wasn't into the ruthless thing much.

Yes, probably this.

I think the best thing they can do is to have three different writers for three different Shepard's backgrounds.

[Teknor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Only it's the Ruthless Shepard who is the smartest. Because ruthless means efficient, not cruel.

How ? Paragon Shepard is as efficient as a renegade one. Some of the decisions may bite in the ass but so far he/she's doing good.

[Markinator_123]

Lets face it! The renegade interrupts are more entertaining than the paragon ones. I hope there will be some cool renegade interrupts in the next DLC. I missed those in LOTSB

[Zulu_DFA]

Teknor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Only it's the Ruthless Shepard who is the smartest. Because ruthless means efficient, not cruel.

How ? Paragon Shepard is as efficient as a renegade one. Some of the decisions may bite in the ass but so far he/she's doing good.

Without intention of turning this into yet another "C-Base choice" or "Save the Council?" thread, I have to say that for Paragons it's been sheer luck (aka BioWare's desire to take them to ME3 too). Renegades have to work hard and get their hands dirty to save the Galaxy.

I'll say it more presicely: the Ruthless Shepard is all about efficiency from the in-universe standpoint.

Markinator_123 wrote...

Lets face it! The renegade interrupts are more entertaining than the paragon ones. I hope there will be some cool renegade interrupts in the next DLC. I missed those in LOTSB

Yess!!! Only it has to be some finishing off a "worthy foe" in a cool way, or skipping through some pesky boss fight or bullsh*tty speech. And not punching some harmless reporter or scientist.

[Dean_the_Young]

You can shoot the hostage.



How is that not ruthless? Granted, Ruthless origins should get an extra line here and there...

[Cyberfrog81]

This much I can agree with: You should have been able to injure Vasir some more with a little renegade interrupt, hostage be damned.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

You can shoot the hostage.

How is that not ruthless? Granted, Ruthless origins should get an extra line here and there...

Of course, shooting the hostage through her shoulder 1 time to hit Vasir's shoulder 1 time is more ruthless than not shooting at all, but less ruthless than shooting the hostage through her chest and neck 5 times to hit Vasir's chest and neck 5 times. As I said, it could allow to skip the boss fight and go right to Vasir's dying cutscene.

And how is it ruthless at all to talk about it before doing it? Or is it a Spectres Discussion Club session?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 octobre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Dean_the_Young]

It's Mass Effect.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's Mass Effect 2.

fixed, couldn't resist.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 octobre 2010 - 01:59 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's Mass Effect 2.

fixed

Shepard also had a real nice talk with Saren before they started shooting at each other...

As for your original point. I would say that renegade Shepard could have been represented better in LOTSB, wounding the hostage was good, but an option to just execute Mariana outright should have been able. One or two renegade interupts with Liara wouldn't hurt either.

[IndigoWolfe]

Liara would have seriously objected had Shepard executed the hostage. She would *not* have been happy.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Liara would have seriously objected had Shepard executed the hostage. She would *not* have been happy.

My renegade Shepard wouldn't really have cared.

[Zulu_DFA]

Lizardviking wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's Mass Effect 2.

fixed, couldn't resist

Shepard also had a real nice talk with Saren before they started shooting at each other...

It was the final main boss exchange and could be skipped for the most part.

Lizardviking wrote...
As for your original point. I would say that renegade Shepard could have been represented better in LOTSB, wounding the hostage was good, but an option to just execute Mariana outright should have been able. One or two renegade interupts with Liara wouldn't hurt either.

Like?

Actually, Liara seems quite renegade-ish herself in LotSB, so what would a renegade want to interrupt? Liara's behavior is even more renegade than that the most renegade Shepard is allowed to demonstrate. Which only adds up to the oddity.

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Liara would have seriously objected had Shepard executed the hostage. She would *not* have been happy.

Liara seemed to be about to tear the hostage apart with biotics, so that Shepard had to intervene and reasure her that they were going to deal with the situation "the usual way".

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 octobre 2010 - 02:11 .

[CalJones]

I don't have a problem with the hostage situation - but it would've been nice to have renegade interrupts in addition to the paragon ones when talking to Liara. Balance, and all that.

Perhaps grilling the drell, knowing that he'll get shocked for answering your questions, should have given some renegade points as well. And yes, a nice coup de grace would have been good to shut Vasir up.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Like?

Actually, Liara seems quite renegade-ish herself in LotSB, so what would a renegade want to interrupt? Liara's behavior is even more renegade than that the most renegade Shepard is allowed to demonstrate. Which only adds up to the oddity.

Good question. Just felt there could have been something to balance it out so paragon didn't seem to get better treatment in LOTSB.

[CroGamer002]

There is a option to shoot hostage and wound Vasir.



Also tedious boss fight?









You're not a gamer.

[Big I]

mrsph wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Liara would have seriously objected had Shepard executed the hostage. She would *not* have been happy.

Have people's feelings ever gotten in the way of renegade Shepard killing someone/ruining their life?

No. Presenting the evidence to the quarians springs to mind.

[Lebrine]

I got the feeling that because it's a bridging dlc renegades are held back because getting the shadow broker on your side has to happen.

[Therion942]

People die when they are killed.

[RiouHotaru]

Mesina2 wrote...

There is a option to shoot hostage and wound Vasir.

Also tedious boss fight?


You're not a gamer.

I have to agree with this.  The boss fight was great.  I wish we had more like that, rather than just tougher NPC mooks that we deal with already.