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[ShrinkingFish]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

I've got an idea. If you are so put upon and offended by an upskirt. Maybe you shouldn't zoom in close, slo mo and replay that game save over and over while adjusting the camera "just so".

It is something you would have to go out of your way to even notice:)

I didn't even notice that Isabela didn't have shorts the first time I watched the trailer. Nor the second, or the third.
Until I entered the forums and saw all the people complaining.

Ditto.

Some people are just hyper sensative to this type of thing. Eyes always go straight to the crotch.

This.
And also, the fact that many people will pause the trailer every second just to catch every freaking detail.
And then have a reason to complain at the forums.

Seriously. You'd have to frame by frame just to see some of the stuff people choose to complain about. My goodness.

[Nadiasama]

tmp7704 wrote...

Nadiasama wrote...

Have you seen what a typical plate of armor looks like?  It is not flat. It is rounded not hugging tight to the body and if boob notches are so much better at deflecting blows, why don't all armors have then in relife.

There isn't really single, universal design of plate armour that'd last across centuries, is there? So while it's not something that's present in every armour out there, some did sport such enhanced curvature though in form of a "unibreast", so to speak. Consider http://commons.wikim...Zbroja_1514.JPG  Why do you think the curve of chest bulge on this armour is quite sharper than male anatomy would otherwise require? I'd say that's because sharper angles do help to deflect the blows, as noted.

The very aricle you bring up shows more of such designs, and actually makes a point how this bulge could be used to accomodate woman's breasts. So in a way yes, "all armours" do make use of this concept, although obviously to different degree, and in different ways.

Oh I know that, at the time I couldn't find another word to describe the ones that came to a point but I guess pointy is the best descriptor after all.  But I did mention earlier that they would accomodate the breast without having to make bulges for each breast.  The article also brings up a good point in that there is no universial shape for breasts as well.

[ShrinkingFish]

Saibh wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

I've got an idea. If you are so put upon and offended by an upskirt. Maybe you shouldn't zoom in close, slo mo and replay that game save over and over while adjusting the camera "just so".

It is something you would have to go out of your way to even notice:)

I didn't even notice that Isabela didn't have shorts the first time I watched the trailer. Nor the second, or the third.
Until I entered the forums and saw all the people complaining.

And, yet, many more people noticed the first time they saw the trailer. Without slow-mo, adjusting light settings, capping every shot, or so on.

There appear to be a lot of crotch minded individuals playing this game.

I legitimately wonder if it stems from sexual repression... and if not, what it does stem from.

[Doyle41]

Saibh wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Historically, that cloth didn't exist around the time period that DA is based. Additionally. The Olympics are a bad example, as originally they were all performed absolutely naked due to cloths being an encumbrance.

You know what else isn't going to help in battle? Long hair. Loose cloth--like that hip rag she has. Dangly jewelry that can be grabbed onto. Any tied clothing like the corset thing she wears that could restrict breathing. Also, boots that high, from personal experience, do nothing to help you run or move around. Nothing else she wears is practical. Her lack of pants has nothing to do with practicality. Loose shorts are not going to restrict her movement. I'm sure we're not going to see male rogues run into battle with a similar outfit.

Zevran had long hair, Antivan boots, and NO PANTS!

[ShrinkingFish]

Nadiasama wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Nadiasama wrote...

Have you seen what a typical plate of armor looks like?  It is not flat. It is rounded not hugging tight to the body and if boob notches are so much better at deflecting blows, why don't all armors have then in relife.

There isn't really single, universal design of plate armour that'd last across centuries, is there? So while it's not something that's present in every armour out there, some did sport such enhanced curvature though in form of a "unibreast", so to speak. Consider http://commons.wikim...Zbroja_1514.JPG  Why do you think the curve of chest bulge on this armour is quite sharper than male anatomy would otherwise require? I'd say that's because sharper angles do help to deflect the blows, as noted.

The very aricle you bring up shows more of such designs, and actually makes a point how this bulge could be used to accomodate woman's breasts. So in a way yes, "all armours" do make use of this concept, although obviously to different degree, and in different ways.

Oh I know that, at the time I couldn't find another word to describe the ones that came to a point but I guess pointy is the best descriptor after all.  But I did mention earlier that they would accomodate the breast without having to make bulges for each breast.  The article also brings up a good point in that there is no universial shape for breasts as well.

There was in Dragon Age Origins 

Again. This is a joke. Not to be taken seriously.

[Saibh]

tmp7704 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Which is why Olympic gymnasts often don't wear clothes. Because of how impeding they are.

Given the ancient Olympic gymnasts did in fact compete in the buff if i recall it right, i'd say the clothes in our modern times are more of mandatory modesty-related inconvenience than anything else. Don't they have regulations about length of tennis player skirts and such?

edit: dang, ninja'ed again. Thread moves way too fast, calling it a day

Since it was brought up twice, their lack of clothing actually had little to do with freedom of movement--it was more closely associated with Spartan pedastry and looking aesthetically pleasing. They also anointed themselves with olive oil--you know, greased up.

[Aermas]

Saibh wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Historically, that cloth didn't exist around the time period that DA is based. Additionally. The Olympics are a bad example, as originally they were all performed absolutely naked due to cloths being an encumbrance.

You know what else isn't going to help in battle? Long hair. Loose cloth--like that hip rag she has. Dangly jewelry that can be grabbed onto. Any tied clothing like the corset thing she wears that could restrict breathing. Also, boots that high, from personal experience, do nothing to help you run or move around. Nothing else she wears is practical. Her lack of pants has nothing to do with practicality. Loose shorts are not going to restrict her movement. I'm sure we're not going to see male rogues run into battle with a similar outfit.

Thank the Maker someone with a brain & good judgement instead of indignation Thank you Saibh for bringing that fact up. You are right she needs smaller boots & more pants, & less jewelry.

[Nadiasama]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Nadiasama wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Nadiasama wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Mail (Chain, Scale, Splint, Ring) is forgiving to all the curves of the female figure, no need to have different molds, they form fit.
For plate they need to be custom made so they do need to accommodate the breast, this doesn't mean that each needs it's own armor cone though.

Thank you. <3

This covers mail, certainly. But not molded leather armor. And Isabela would never wear mail anyways because its weight would encumber her fighting style.

A leather tunic isn't molded which she could wear nor would it restrict any movement.

An untempered and unmolded leather tunic also does not afford much protection, rating only slightly lower than a thick wool sweater. So what's the point?

Thats why you wear a hauberk or a doublet underneath it.

[Kileyan]

Saibh wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

I've got an idea. If you are so put upon and offended by an upskirt. Maybe you shouldn't zoom in close, slo mo and replay that game save over and over while adjusting the camera "just so".

It is something you would have to go out of your way to even notice:)

I didn't even notice that Isabela didn't have shorts the first time I watched the trailer. Nor the second, or the third.
Until I entered the forums and saw all the people complaining.

And, yet, many more people noticed the first time they saw the trailer. Without slow-mo, adjusting light settings, capping every shot, or so on.

Good for you, I'm not going to play that game.

I'll end this with "you and more of it!"

This isn't serious business, and it annoys me a lot that this kind of thing is nitpicked.

Modifié par Kileyan, 29 octobre 2010 - 03:48 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Aermas wrote...

Saibh wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Historically, that cloth didn't exist around the time period that DA is based. Additionally. The Olympics are a bad example, as originally they were all performed absolutely naked due to cloths being an encumbrance.

You know what else isn't going to help in battle? Long hair. Loose cloth--like that hip rag she has. Dangly jewelry that can be grabbed onto. Any tied clothing like the corset thing she wears that could restrict breathing. Also, boots that high, from personal experience, do nothing to help you run or move around. Nothing else she wears is practical. Her lack of pants has nothing to do with practicality. Loose shorts are not going to restrict her movement. I'm sure we're not going to see male rogues run into battle with a similar outfit.

Thank the Maker someone with a brain & good judgement instead of indignation Thank you Saibh for bringing that fact up. You are right she needs smaller boots & more pants, & less jewelry.

I wouldn't mind male rogues with the same outfit, to be fair.
And I'm being serious. I wouldn't complain or kick kittens. And please, let's stop comparing a videogame to real life, shall we?

Also, your statement means that the rest of us don't have a brain or good judgement?

[Nadiasama]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Nadiasama wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Nadiasama wrote...

Have you seen what a typical plate of armor looks like?  It is not flat. It is rounded not hugging tight to the body and if boob notches are so much better at deflecting blows, why don't all armors have then in relife.

There isn't really single, universal design of plate armour that'd last across centuries, is there? So while it's not something that's present in every armour out there, some did sport such enhanced curvature though in form of a "unibreast", so to speak. Consider http://commons.wikim...Zbroja_1514.JPG  Why do you think the curve of chest bulge on this armour is quite sharper than male anatomy would otherwise require? I'd say that's because sharper angles do help to deflect the blows, as noted.

The very aricle you bring up shows more of such designs, and actually makes a point how this bulge could be used to accomodate woman's breasts. So in a way yes, "all armours" do make use of this concept, although obviously to different degree, and in different ways.

Oh I know that, at the time I couldn't find another word to describe the ones that came to a point but I guess pointy is the best descriptor after all.  But I did mention earlier that they would accomodate the breast without having to make bulges for each breast.  The article also brings up a good point in that there is no universial shape for breasts as well.

There was in Dragon Age Origins 

Again. This is a joke. Not to be taken seriously.

Yeah I know. Which is what prompted me to research this stuff in the first place.

[ShrinkingFish]

Saibh wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Which is why Olympic gymnasts often don't wear clothes. Because of how impeding they are.

Given the ancient Olympic gymnasts did in fact compete in the buff if i recall it right, i'd say the clothes in our modern times are more of mandatory modesty-related inconvenience than anything else. Don't they have regulations about length of tennis player skirts and such?

edit: dang, ninja'ed again. Thread moves way too fast, calling it a day

Since it was brought up twice, their lack of clothing actually had little to do with freedom of movement--it was more closely associated with Spartan pedastry and looking aesthetically pleasing. They also anointed themselves with olive oil--you know, greased up.

This is actually historically inaccurate. While pederasty was common in other city states, most notably in Athens, it is not a prevading aspect of Greek culture. Most people just, incorrectly, assign everything that Athens did to the rest of Greek society. The Spartans did not have a tradition of pederasty as the Athenians did and often ridiculed them for these practices. They also did not share the Athenian ideals for what was aesthetically pleasing.

Furthermore. If one searches into the Athenian writings on this subject, it is made clear that grown male adults, which were the competitors on these games, were never assigned modes of attractiveness and all of these practices were reserved for young, unbearded boys.

But then, for some reason, people tend to over sexualise the Greeks and their practices. So I can hardly blame the slip.

[Saibh]

Kileyan wrote...

Good for you, I'm not going to play that game.

I'll end this with "you and more of it! naaa naaa naaa"

Then don't bring up what your personal experience means. I didn't go out of my way--many others did not. I just noticed because it happened several times. Just because you didn't notice doesn't mean that no one did--you claimed otherwise.

Lord_Valandil wrote...

I wouldn't mind male rogues with the same outfit, to be fair.

I can't complain if both sexes are treated equally in this regard (actually, I could complain everyone looks ridiculous, but gosh darn it if I can't find something to complain about)--but, honestly, you think that's going to happen?

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

I can't complain if both sexes are treated equally in this regard (actually, I could complain everyone looks ridiculous, but gosh darn it if I can't find something to complain about)--but, honestly, you think that's going to happen?

I've always said something like this, however I don't know what would be considered as sexualized on men.

[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

I wouldn't mind male rogues with the same outfit, to be fair.

I can't complain if both sexes are treated equally in this regard (actually, I could complain everyone looks ridiculous, but gosh darn it if I can't find something to complain about)--but, honestly, you think that's going to happen?

No. Honestly, I don't think so.

[Doyle41]

[redo]



Zevran had long hair, Antivan boots, and NO PANTS!

[Jestina]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
Jestina wrote...
As long as we're being academic and centered on Norse culture... what is Beowulf? Tell me, as you understand it...

Beowulf is controversial at best. Scholars still argue about that one as it was written by Christian Anglo Saxons...and you have to remember that Vikings were considered a pagan culture. Much of the history we got about those cultures was written by the Church which basically controlled everything at that time. It wasn't until archeological study that we learned more of what was true about them.

I thought you'd ask me about  Skald poetry or Lebor Gabala.

Modifié par Jestina, 29 octobre 2010 - 03:53 .

[upsettingshorts]

Dave of Canada wrote...
I've always said something like this, however I don't know what would be considered as sexualized on men.

Jacob Taylor's radical, triangular shaped body-builder physique.  But it wasn't like there were scenes of the dude stepping out of the shower with his shirt off or anything.  Just the occasionally hilarious panning shots starting off at his crotch and making their way up.

Still had nothing on the HEY CHECK OUT MIRANDA'S ASS shots every time she was in a scene.

[Aermas]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I can't complain if both sexes are treated equally in this regard (actually, I could complain everyone looks ridiculous, but gosh darn it if I can't find something to complain about)--but, honestly, you think that's going to happen?

I've always said something like this, however I don't know what would be considered as sexualized on men.

Varric wearing nothing but a golden thong codpiece & two leather straps crisscrossing his hairy chest

[Dave of Canada]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Jacob Taylor's radical, triangular shaped body-builder physique.  But it wasn't like there were scenes of the dude stepping out of the shower with his shirt off or anything.  Just the occasionally hilarious panning shots starting off at his crotch and making their way up.

Really? That was supposed to be sexy?

[RevengeofNewton]

Rather than this horrific back and forth over sexism and the impracticality of her clothing, perhaps what this thread needs is something constructive. What do you think she, a pirate captain, should be wearing?

[ErichHartmann]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I can't complain if both sexes are treated equally in this regard (actually, I could complain everyone looks ridiculous, but gosh darn it if I can't find something to complain about)--but, honestly, you think that's going to happen?

I've always said something like this, however I don't know what would be considered as sexualized on men.

He-Man!

[Dhiro]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I can't complain if both sexes are treated equally in this regard (actually, I could complain everyone looks ridiculous, but gosh darn it if I can't find something to complain about)--but, honestly, you think that's going to happen?

I've always said something like this, however I don't know what would be considered as sexualized on men.

I liked that, if you put a light armor in a male, he would still be using a skirt. I also don't know what would be considered as sexualized... a shirtless man? Isabela at least have the "ME NEEDZ FREEDOM TO JUMP AND KILL THINGS AND SHOW MA LEGS", what's the excuse of a shirtless man?

You have four minutes to make a excuse, Dave, or a apple monster will bite your first born child

[Lord_Valandil]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I've always said something like this, however I don't know what would be considered as sexualized on men.

Jacob Taylor's radical, triangular shaped body-builder physique.  But it wasn't like there were scenes of the dude stepping out of the shower with his shirt off or anything.  Just the occasionally hilarious panning shots starting off at his crotch and making their way up.

Still had nothing on the HEY CHECK OUT MIRANDA'S ASS shots every time she was in a scene.

LOL. In Dead Rising 2, every freaking cutscene must focus on the reporter's ass.

Also...Jacob...the priiiiiize. Just thinking about it makes me laugh.

[upsettingshorts]

Aermas wrote...

Varric wearing nothing but a golden thong codpiece & two leather straps crisscrossing his hairy chest

Varric is Zardoz!