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[Humanoid_Taifun]

I just seriously considered this spell for the first time. It bypasses MR and you even get the XP if you manage to kill the enemy this way - though 1) I don't know how many bosses are immune to level drain and 2) it's bloody expensive.

Would it be possible to kill Kangaxx for example this way? A spell trap would give you as many casts of the spell as you'd need... But as an undead, he should be immune to it.

How about using multiple mages / Simulacri / PIs to accumulate as many level 9 slots as you'd need to kill specific bosses (like Ascension Yaga Shura)?

I also just verified for myself (didn't know before) that a 2 level loss means 2 level lost for every class a character has - but you don't die until you have no level at all left (so you can be a level 1 fighter/level 0 mage and still be up and about).

Thoughts?

[Sparky The Barbarian]

In core rules, Energy Drain should not work on undead, but then neither should Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting and it is one of the best Lich killers in the game.

[amanasleep]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

I just seriously considered this spell for the first time. It bypasses MR and you even get the XP if you manage to kill the enemy this way - though 1) I don't know how many bosses are immune to level drain and 2) it's bloody expensive.

Would it be possible to kill Kangaxx for example this way? A spell trap would give you as many casts of the spell as you'd need... But as an undead, he should be immune to it.

How about using multiple mages / Simulacri / PIs to accumulate as many level 9 slots as you'd need to kill specific bosses (like Ascension Yaga Shura)?

I also just verified for myself (didn't know before) that a 2 level loss means 2 level lost for every class a character has - but you don't die until you have no level at all left (so you can be a level 1 fighter/level 0 mage and still be up and about).

Thoughts?

The biggest problem with this approach is: in what situation is this better to pull off than Shapechange: Mindflayer, Timestop, Attack?  Level draining high level monsters also takes time.  I think Yaga is at least L30, so 15 castings takes a long time to execute even if you can avoid dying for that long. 

[Humanoid_Taifun]

With Improved Alacrity and Robe of Vecna it takes no time at all. The only limit is the price, since it's a level 9 spell (so you can't even store it in CCs).

[igneous.sponge]

Such a strategy would probably work best against spell-casters, I would think. It's still hugely expensive, though.

Energy Drain would be a lot more attractive, IMO, if it were moved down to 8th level... or even lower, honestly. At least then you'd be able to stack a few of them in a trigger or contingency and do some actual, meaningful damage.