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[Sneelonz]

There was a thread about this awhile back, but it got locked, so I thought that I might start one! http://social.biowar...index/1926096/1

So did you save Sidonis?

I played both endings, but neither of them seem... right. In ME1 my (paragon) Sheperd told Garrus to "take care of business" and kill Dr. Saleon, but now allowing Sidonis to live seems to go back on what my Sheperd told him... at the same time I don't think that allowing Garrus to kill him is the right thing to do.

Well anyway, it's a great quest, although I'll admit, besides this, Garrus is completely boring in ME2.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Garrus gets what he wants, regardless of my own opinion on the matter. He's too much of a friend to disallow him that.

[Slayer299]

I've only let Sidonis live on one playthrough and that was just to see what it was. But even though I pushed Garrus toward Paragon in ME1 I let him kill Sidonis in ME2 it felt wrong to tell Garrus what he should do there.
Sidonis betrayed his fellow teammates because he was 'scared', well, Karma's here to say hi

Modifié par Slayer299, 29 octobre 2010 - 03:58 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Even as a Renegade, I tend to usually draw it out until Sidonis admits that he just wants it all to end. Then I step out of the way and let Garrus shoot.



I agree, it's a difficult decision. I likewise told him to take care of business in ME1, but I do get worried about the guy. At that point he's easily my Shepard's best friend, and Shepard may well be the last friend Garrus has in the galaxy.

[Nightwriter]

I did not save Sidonis. I saved Garrus. Sidonis being alive in my playthrough is just a condition of that.

[GuardianAngel470]

I don't let Garrus kill him. My reasoning is that if he kills him, he'll always remember the good man Sidonis used to be, fighting for the innocent on Omega. He always second guess his decision once he sits down and thinks about it because obviously, Garrus loved Sidonis or else he wouldn't feel so betrayed. I need Garrus as independent as possible going into the Reaper War, he can't be a good leader if he second guesses himself. Emotions are temporary, logic persists throughout a person's life.



And I don't let him hear Sidonis out and then kill him because at that point, he'll just be a murderer, and he'll see himself as such. In this case, he'll be even worse off than if he killed him without listening to him, because then he really won't trust himself to do the right thing. Garrus always hated injustice, and I believe he would see killing Sidonis as an injustice.



I let Sidonis live because ultimately, Garrus is a good man. He'll use the fact that he spared his old friend's life to assuage his guilt and anger. After that, the logic of the concept that Sidonis was one man, and ultimately a drop in the bucket compared to the real threat will set in, and he will be in the best place psychologically to fight the real threat.

[Tranceptor]

I wanted to save Sidonis in order to protect Garrus from himself and the path he was going down.



But he was totally wronged and his revenge was justified so I let him kill Sidonis. Come to think of it, I don't have a single playthrough where I actually stopped it.

[AdamNW]

I refuse to believe that this couldn't have ended in disloyalty.

Anyway, I let Garrus kill him, but only after I heard about how Sidonis is handling the betrayal. In his case, death is the lesser of two evils.

Modifié par AdamNW, 29 octobre 2010 - 04:21 .

[Iakus]

I smacked Garrus upside the head and reminded him about that talk we had over the Doctor Saleon incident. The one where we discussed his letting things get too personal, and that cold blooded murder was wrong. That he should do things for the right reason, not just "get the job done" because he deserves it.



Oh, wait, that's what I wanted to do.



Nah, I let Sidonis live because I wasn't gonna let Garrus murder an unarmed and helpless man, whatever his crimes. The fact that Sidonis was agonizing over the deaths he caused made the choice that much easier.



Why yes, I play as paragon, why?

[Oblarg]

I'm a paragon shep, but I can't ever justify letting Sidonis live.

[NitrAce]

Renegade Shep has Evil Garrus and he kills Sidonis no questions asked but Paragon Shepard has confused yet do gooder Garrus who lives and learns from his mistakes.

[MisterDyslexo]

I usually have him live. Garrus could be a leader someday, and needs to learn killing isn't the only way, or best way, to get things done. Thats how a certain turian spectre operated *cough cough*

What I don't understand is that when you go through all the dialogue with Sidonis, and then step out of the way, Garrus takes the shot. Then he walks up to you afterwards, and says "That was... satisfying..."
WTF?!?! Character development mean anything Bioware? I mean I understand if he still killed Sidonis, but having the same reaction and feelings about it after the whole conversation with Sidonis? C'mon BW, you can do better than that. 

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 29 octobre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Manic Sheep]

Ahhh I leave that decision to last every time because it’s the one I change my mind about the most.

On one hand Garrus is a grown man and capable of making his own decisions. This mission isn't your mission, your just there to help. You didn't know Sidonis or any of the people who got killed, you don't really have any business getting involved. Warning Sidonis feels like a betrayal and it also feels like your shoving your morals down Garrus throat .That and it’s a little hypocritical to stop him being that I would probably want to do the same thing and my Shep definitely would.

On the other hand Garrus is going more than a little extreme. His handling of Harkin was completely over the top. Harkins an ass, but in the scheme of things he is not that bad. Sidonis is unarmed and no longer a threat to anyone, nor is he likely to be a threat to anyone in the future. The world isn’t black and white and Garrus needs to learn that. Sidonis is dam coward and a traitor but letting Garrus kill him could be more damaging than helpful.

I think I saved him on my last playthrough

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 29 octobre 2010 - 05:53 .

[doagrl]

Garrus is my Shepard's best friend and protégé there is no way that she would ever let him gun down an unarmed man for revenge; it would go back on everything that she's tried to teach him since ME 1.

To me the real loyalty quest on that mission was just how loyal was my Shep going to be to Garrus not the other way around. I had the chance to save him from himself, stepping out of the way and letting him become a murderer would have made me the most disloyal friend Garrus ever had.

[Gibb_Shepard]

I let Garrus kill him. If Garrus wants to to be pursue his retribution, i'll let him. Hell, i would do the same thing if someone ratted out 10 of my closest friends and killed them.

[Randy1012]

"Eye for an Eye" isn't about whether Sidonis should live or die, it's about whether Garrus can live with himself after the fact. He's not the type of person to kill someone, even someone he hated, and then forget about it. It would gnaw at him for the rest of his life, make him continue to question himself and his abilities, which has always been his greatest weakness. Letting Garrus kill Sidonis isn't going to help him, it's only going to make things worse for him.

[Isaidlunch]

That's a very good summary Manic Sheep.



It was a tough choice but watching the way Garrus treated Harkin decided it for me. He was turning into something he's not and it felt wrong to just let him become that. I'm okay with whatever happens to Sidonis since he's likely not a threat to anyone and will live with that burden for the rest of his life, ultimately it comes down to what's best for Garrus.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The thing about this is you spend at least 30 minutes touring the Citadel, persuading people, and then fighting mercs and mechs before you can make this decision. If Sidonis is let alive, then you've practically wasted your time and all the trouble you've just gone through. As in, if Shepard knows and intends for it to end this way, why doesn't she make it clear for Garrus that she won't help him murder a helpless soul just because of "personal matters"?

Granted, Garrus may have been rather skeptical about Shepard's intended plan on handling the situation, but part of him seemed to believe that she was in fact going to proceed with the plan, in which case it makes sparing Sidonis seem a bit out of place.

In any event, I generally do save Sidonis myself, but I killed him on a few Renegade playthroughs. That's just my honest opinion on the matter regardless of how I handle it in my game.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 29 octobre 2010 - 06:40 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

It's more or less what you said, Shand. The core set-up of the mission is inconsistent, even more so if you Paragon your way through it, making the Renegade decision of assassinating Sidonis seem like the right thing to do, even if you think it isn't. I actually thought the mission felt more "realistic" when I killed Siodnis; it felt like an accomplishment, which is not something I experienced when I let him live with my Paragon.

[GodWood]

I'll never understand paragons.

You kill all these people to get to him then tell Garrus that killing is wrong and he can't kill the man who killed his team.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...
 it makes paragon Shepard come across as really inconsistent.

The Paragon is always inconsistent, so sparing Sidonis is quite consistent with the general paragon inconsistency. Dialectics.