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[Icinix]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I did not save Sidonis. I saved Garrus. Sidonis being alive in my playthrough is just a condition of that.

+ 3.14159265

I don't get it, why is Pi relevant?

I honestly don't get it, either. lol!

Because +1 is soooooooo 2.1415925 less than Pi. Making the + argument that much more impacting.

Or maybe it's because its worth noting that what goes around comes around.

Or maybe it's because Pi is the only true constant and using it symbolizes that the quote used is also a complete true constant.

But more likely because I'm trying desperately to stand out in an internet forum filled with stand out people and doing something unusual / weird / dumb gets people wondering if there was more to it than what there appears to be...

[Nightwriter]

Nonsense, we are not stand out people, we are petty, petty bickerers 1000 miles away from you quibbling over our favorite videogame in ways that have been quibbled a hundred times over.

[Icinix]

Nightwriter wrote...

Nonsense, we are not stand out people, we are petty, petty bickerers 1000 miles away from you quibbling over our favorite videogame in ways that have been quibbled a hundred times over.

  Compared to what I do for a living....this is stand out.

[Markinator_123]

I always let Garrus kill Sidonis. No questions asked. I also always let Garrus kneecap Harkin.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 29 octobre 2010 - 11:40 .

[Chuvvy]

I go the "No more sleepless nights for either of you." route.

[CalJones]

I think it's more fun if you don't let him kneecap Harkin, and he headbutts him instead.

[snfonseka]

Markinator_123 wrote...

I always let Garrus kill Sidonis. No questions asked. I also always let Garrus kneecap Harkin.

Same here.

[Therion942]

An execution, in public, during the day cycle, on the Citadel without a silenced weapon while the most famous human in the galaxy talks to the target....
I don't need more problems, Garrus I've a galaxy to save tomorrow. This is, of course, assuming my actions will ever have any consequences.

ROFL

Modifié par Therion942, 29 octobre 2010 - 03:15 .

[snfonseka]

Therion942 wrote...

An execution, in public, during the day cycle, on the Citadel without a silenced weapon while the most famous human in the galaxy talks to the target....
I don't need more problems, Garrus I've a galaxy to save tomorrow. This is, of course, assuming my actions will ever have any consequences.

ROFL

Then it is time to that Cerberus cleaners who are inside C-Sec.

[Dave of Canada]

Sidonis dies. Always.



How would it have felt if Alistair stopped Couslands from killing Arl Howe in Origins?

[Cheese Elemental]

Consider the following, courtesy of:

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/MassEffect

On Garrus' loyalty mission, if you confront Sidonis, he seems genuinely ashamed and guilty of his actions in betraying Garrus' squad. At first, this seems pretty normal for someone like that, but check the Codex entries on turians. Betrayal of the team and refusing to own up to your own mistakes and actions - like Sidonis did, by fleeing and hiding - is a deep taboo among the turians. No wonder the guy is so torn up about it.


Why does Garrus reluctantly forgive Sidonis? When confronted by his
crimes, Sidonis confesses and owns up to his mistakes. That's another
huge thing for turians, and ties into why Garrus chose to let him go.


/end quote

Is it not preferable to judge Sidonis based on turian ideals?

[Cheese Elemental]

Shandepared wrote...

Therion942 wrote...

An execution, in public, during the day cycle, on the Citadel without a silenced weapon while the most famous human in the galaxy talks to the target....
I don't need more problems, Garrus I've a galaxy to save tomorrow. This is, of course, assuming my actions will ever have any consequences.

ROFL

Hey, I executed a controvercial politician right in front of C-Sec and didn't even get so much as a second look.

I wasn't even Spectre...

Off-topic, that really bugs me. You can kill a politician and a citizen of the Citadel without trial and for crimes that aren't even deserving of death in the present day with no consequences?

What's with that?

[tommyt_1994]

I have a soft spot for revenge, and if I was in Garrus' shoes, I would have killed Sidonis, no matter what. Add in the fact that you don't know if Garrus will be loyal if you stop him from killing Sidonis, and his loyalty is the most important thing. So in the end, I let him kill SIdonis, he's a big boy.

[Isaidlunch]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sidonis dies. Always.

How would it have felt if Alistair stopped Couslands from killing Arl Howe in Origins?

Arl Howe is a cold-blooded killer. Sidonis is a coward who choose to save his own life with a gun to his head rather than 10 people he's known for only a year or so, not to mention that he obviously regrets his decision. The two aren't comparable.

[Aedan_Cousland]

I let Garrus kill him even with my canon Shep, who is for the most part a paragon.

Sidonis deserves to die.


Look at this way: If you recruited a 13th squadmate in ME2 and that squadmate betrayed you to the Collectors, allowing the Collectors to kill every one of your squadmates, would you forgive and forget or would you hunt him down like an animal and kill him? If the answer to that question is that you'd kill him, you have no right telling Garrus to stay his hand.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 31 octobre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Moiaussi]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Finding Sidonis requires finding "Fade", which DOES require going into the merc's hideout.  It's the only lead you have.  Also, since when did Paragons become pacifists?  We're allowed to spill some blood now and again.  We'd prefer to find a more diplomatic resolution, but when it's obvious that won't do, we're not afraid to cap a few fools either.

Besides, do you think Harkin would've really cooperated any other way?

Given Harkin knows Shep's reputation and capabilities pretty much first hand, he could have just let Shep through and saved himself a lot of manpower. Only idiots open fire every chance they get like that (that goes for most of the other merc groups too. None of them even consider it simply a business opportunity).

[Pepper4]

I allowed Garrus to kill him.

My Shep respects revenge.

He also understands that some individuals must die. Like Ballack.

[Moiaussi]

I let him live on my paragons, mostly because I have been trying to teach Garrus a better path. At this point, there is no evidence that Sidonis has done anything other than hide and stay out of trouble since, making his repentance believable.



Vengence doesn't bring the dead back.



My renegades feel differently of course

[Zall]

Personally, I didn't plan on letting Sidonis live either. But after having seen the Paragon ending, I'm convinced it was the right thing to do.

When Sidonis says that his life is not worth living, mentions his nightmares and guilt, it was not only pity what made Garrus hesitate.

What Sidonis describes is what Garrus is going through himself. Garrus blames himself letting his team die, is most likely having nightmares as well. He spent two years building a team, only to seem them die.

Perhaps, seeing Sidonis in that state will make him realize, that in the end it was not his fault.

Modifié par Zall, 31 octobre 2010 - 07:54 .

[Kronner]

I usually let Garrus kill the guy. Sidonis was a coward and killed his squadmates.

[Legbiter]

I'm just tagging along with my friend Garrus. Not the other way around. It's his call how he wants to handle Sidonis, not Shepard's. I owe him at least that much.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
 it makes paragon Shepard come across as really inconsistent.

The Paragon is always inconsistent, so sparing Sidonis is quite consistent with the general paragon inconsistency. Dialectics.

It's not that killing people is wrong it's Garrus' choice on whether to kill Sidonis or not. But I want him to hear Sidonis' side of the story before I give Garrus the choice to kill him or not.

[Exile Isan]

Zall wrote...
What Sidonis describes is what Garrus is going through himself. Garrus blames himself letting his team die, is most likely having nightmares as well. He spent two years building a team, only to seem them die.

This. You can see it in Garrus' face during that scene. In a way Garrus wants to kill Sidonis, not out of revenge for what Sidonis did, but to assuage Garrus' own guilt for not being able to save his men.

I also don't like the way Garrus is going about this, using Shepard as bait, sniping Sidonis from afar, etc. Really Garrus you're not even going to be face to face with your enemy when you pull the trigger? Who's the damn coward now?

And I'd like to point out that my Shepard makes it very clear to Garrus that she doesn't like the idea of him blasting Sidonis into space dust on several different occasions during that mission (When Garrus first gives you the mission, just before you find Harkin and later in the car). But she went along with it because a) Garrus is her friend, probably her best friend (and in SaraShep's case future lover) and she hoped to convince Garrus that killing Sidonis wasn't the only answer.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 31 octobre 2010 - 09:33 .