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[Sarah1281]

termokanden wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Isolde and Jowan are widely regarded as two of the most annoying characters in the game and guess what? They have fans.

They... have fans?

I have seen at least one for Isolde and several for Jowan, yes.

[Giggles_Manically]

WHHOO IZZZ DIZZ FAANNN TEAGAANNN???

WHHHUUU??!?!?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ddv.rsa wrote...



You know, Bhelen DOES leave the casteless exactly as they are - unless they're willing and able to fight darkspawn. Where does this leave the  young, weak and old casteless? Or for that matter anyone without a deathwish. But as has been pointed out earlier, this isn't really anything new. If a casteless really wants to fight darkspawn they're welcome to join the Legion of the Dead. Even under Harrowmont. 

The Legion might be suicide, but I don't think their chances as cannon fodder against the darkspawn are much better. But yeah, if they can survive their military service they get a better deal. A chance, even a small one, is better than nothing (btw, even then they're still casteless, just with a few more rights).

Not entirely. In dwarven society, the actions of one person can effect the state of their family. Kin are everything in dwarven society, hence why even a casteless **** can make life good for her family by simply bearing a son for some noble. So by one person taking up arms, his or her whole family will benefit from the newly gained rights and privilages. Thus, the old, sick, or too young members of the casteless family would also reap the benefits.

It's called incentive. Bhelen, unlike Harrowmont, is giving the casteless opportunity to improve their standing and lives, in exchange for badly needed troops to fight off the darkspawn. There's no such thing as a free lunch. It's a fair exchange. They don't have to fight darkspawn. They can continue to live in squalor and crime. But if you want something, you gotta give something. Bhelen provides opportunity to the casteless, the casteless in return provide military service to Bhelen, and thus, Orzammar, which is for the greater good of the city, and the dwarves as a whole.

Far better than to stagnate and wither under Harrowmont, who actually razes Dust Town to the ground during a rebellion, thus making casteless life even more unbearable. And under Harrowmont, they have no opportunities to improve their lives.

[Giggles_Manically]

Better to have some hope, then No hope to move ahead in society.

[Sarah1281]

And remember this:

Your efforts have been exemplary, but these self proclaimed cartels must defer to the Assembly and restore order. Exclusion form caste and society is no excuse. Perhaps suggest that it would be a simple matter to march on the quarter, or simpler still to withdraw infrastructure support. A tunnel breach would be most unfortunate, but current policy direction prohibits any deals that would legitimize cartel operations. Downward pressure on certain elements of our society has proven useful in shoring up the economy with an excess of affordable labor. It also encourages enlistment in the Legion of the Dead, the one accepted path to partial redemption and a vital force on our weakening front lines. This model suffers when criminals create their own hierarchies with alternative methods of social advancement.



Every stone has a face that can't be carved, a side that must be earthward. We need their so-called Dust Town, but it would be inadvisable to include that in your negotiations. We have the utmost faith in you, Capt-- (The rest is obscured by bloodstains.)



--From a confidential Assembly directive, regarding proliferation of cartels.

Not only does the current order not care about Dust Town, they're actively working to keep these people oppressed so they'll take up arms against the darkspawn...in the legion of the dead. What Bhelen does for them is to give them actual rights in exchange for this and (likely) to let those rights extend to their families without forcing them to practically live in the Deep Roads and declare themselves dead first.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Great post Skadi, agree 100%.

[Giggles_Manically]

Someone needs to photoshop Bhelen's head onto a stain glass window.

I would if I could but I should really be listening to this lecture on Rome vs Constantinople religion/politics of c. 1000 CE.



Even though I could do it in my sleep, better than this grad student is doing. Elmer Fudd stitters less than this guy.

[termokanden]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Someone needs to photoshop Bhelen's head onto a stain glass window.

YES! That would be awesome.

I would if I could but I should really be listening to this lecture on Rome vs Constantinople religion/politics of c. 1000 CE.

They're all dead now anyway

Even though I could do it in my sleep, better than this grad student is doing. Elmer Fudd stitters less than this guy.

Try being one then and being forced to teach. You have NO training in teaching. They just put you in front of a bunch of students with all kinds of weird question. "Have fun".

Correcting assignements is even worse. How do you tell someone to stop being an idiot, but in a nice way?

[Giggles_Manically]

This guy dosent know his stuff though, he really didnt read the material before walking in here, and now his stuttering is getting worse.

[termokanden]

Heh, I can imagine why then

[Sarah1281]

It's always awkward when you know more about a subject than the person who is supposed to be instructing you. I still remember when I had to tell my teacher that yes, I was quite sure that it was Andrew Johnson who was impeached and not Andrew Jackson (although he probably should have been for his ignoring a Supreme Court ruling but, alas, he was too popular). And since that wasn't even a student teacher, I don't know what his excuse was...

[Giggles_Manically]

Me and a few other Second years gave him some help though.

Now I have an good prof again lecturing us on the history of San Francisco.

[termokanden]

Might also just be nervousness. Some people really do not like public speaking, and that's exactly what teaching is. Your brain doesn't function normally if you're very nervous. It's ALWAYS easier to sit in the back and make clever remarks (I was that guy many many times).

I mean I know my stuff, but I still don't like teaching. Unfortunately, they are forcing me to do so again in one week. I have managed to weasel out of in the past, but I don't think it will work this time. Woah, this is getting off-topic.

So how about that Bhelen, what a guy!

Modifié par termokanden, 01 novembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's always awkward when you know more about a subject than the person who is supposed to be instructing you. I still remember when I had to tell my teacher that yes, I was quite sure that it was Andrew Johnson who was impeached and not Andrew Jackson (although he probably should have been for his ignoring a Supreme Court ruling but, alas, he was too popular). And since that wasn't even a student teacher, I don't know what his excuse was...

This happened several times with me as well, it gives me headaches.

[Elhanan]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Not entirely. In dwarven society, the actions of one person can effect the state of their family. Kin are everything in dwarven society, hence why even a casteless **** can make life good for her family by simply bearing a son for some noble. So by one person taking up arms, his or her whole family will benefit from the newly gained rights and privilages. Thus, the old, sick, or too young members of the casteless family would also reap the benefits.

It's called incentive. Bhelen, unlike Harrowmont, is giving the casteless opportunity to improve their standing and lives, in exchange for badly needed troops to fight off the darkspawn. There's no such thing as a free lunch. It's a fair exchange. They don't have to fight darkspawn. They can continue to live in squalor and crime. But if you want something, you gotta give something. Bhelen provides opportunity to the casteless, the casteless in return provide military service to Bhelen, and thus, Orzammar, which is for the greater good of the city, and the dwarves as a whole.

Far better than to stagnate and wither under Harrowmont, who actually razes Dust Town to the ground during a rebellion, thus making casteless life even more unbearable. And under Harrowmont, they have no opportunities to improve their lives.

Unless they join the House of the new Paragon that aided Harrowmont perhaps. And since Harrowmont will not be around for too long, the throne and Assembly is up for a change fairly soon, and maybe someone else can offer a longer lasting solution than the Man Who Should Be KIng Because He Killed His Family; kinda ironic since Kin are everything.

[Sarah1281]

You can hardly put all of Dust Town in your new house. There are just too many people.

[ddv.rsa]

Elhanan wrote...
Unless they join the House of the new Paragon that aided Harrowmont perhaps. And since Harrowmont will not be around for too long, the throne and Assembly is up for a change fairly soon, and maybe someone else can offer a longer lasting solution than the Man Who Should Be KIng Because He Killed His Family; kinda ironic since Kin are everything.

When they say people flock to your house, I get the impression they mean as followers. For example, like smiths and warriors in your service. I don't think they actually become nobles in your house since they aren't in any way related to you. So they're still just casteless. I could be wrong though.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 02 novembre 2010 - 02:59 .

[Elhanan]

ddv.rsa wrote...

When they say people flock to your house, I get the impression they mean as followers. For example, like smiths and warriors in your service. I don't they actually become nobles in your house since they aren't in any way related to you. So they're still just casteless. I could be wrong though.

Agreed. But while a part of that House, they would see a better way of life than Dust Town. And as a part of a Paragon's House, the Shaperate would be compelled to record their names or lose details concerning the new Paragon. Being KIng is OK, but this seems better, plus it has some freedoms not seen by those enwrapped in politics..

[Elhanan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You can hardly put all of Dust Town in your new house. There are just too many people.

Don't need to help everyone; just those willing to improve their lives.

[Sarah1281]

Elhanan wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

You can hardly put all of Dust Town in your new house. There are just too many people.

Don't need to help everyone; just those willing to improve their lives.

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that most of the people in Dust Town, when offered an easy way to improve their lives, would take it.

[Elhanan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that most of the people in Dust Town, when offered an easy way to improve their lives, would take it.

It will not be easy; almost as dangerous being in the House of a Warden as it would be joining the Legion. But I welcome all, after all I also have access to the palace and Harrowmont's estate.