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[Suron]

looking at it in terms of setting, story, quest quality, etc...BG2 wins hands down...plus I prefer the DnD ruleset (well 3.0/3.5 anyway) to..whatever they came up with in DA:O which doesn't work half the time (dex bug anyone)



I kinda wish DA:O used 3.5 or similar DnD ruleset...imo (IMO people) it's leaps and bounds better....well except the spell mechanic...I've always hated the memorize spells crap DnD has used..replace it with a mana system (which makes more sense anyway) and it'd be golden (IMO people)

[I Valente I]

BG2 wins as far as Combat and sidequests go.



Sidequests

I mean really, the sidequests in DAO are horrible. There were only a handful that were interesting. I was actually through about half the game when I was asking myself "Okay when do I get to the REAL sidequests?" I love DAO but man was I dissapointed with the sidequests. Maybe you could argue that sidequests aren't important...but we are comparing it to BG2, and sidequests, like everything else, is a crucial part of the formula for a good rpg.



Combat

BG2 wins hands down, over every other rpg I have ever played. I'm not sure if another game will be able to duplicate the rts-like combat of Infinity Engine. Dragon Age tried to do it, but in the end, the implementation of the simplified MMO combat killed it for me. MMO combat belongs in MMO's, where the tactics need to be simples o people can colaborate, but it's TOO simple for a single player rpg. Especially one that aims for strategic combat. The second I started seeing terms like "tank" "dps" I knew I was in for trouble.



That's not to say I don't like Dragon Age. But in the two areas that it fails, it fails pretty badly. Hopefully DA2 will fix these two problems, then I'll be a happy camper.

[Alikain]

maikanix wrote...

Arokiss wrote...

...I wouldn't compare? They're different games, with different stories. One is bound to be different >.>

That and I never played BG and thus have nothing to compare this game too other than KOTOR <.<

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sorry...only game I actually nerd rage about...
If you haven't played then you have no idea what we mean. BGII is, seriously, THE rpg. At least for me.
I wouldn't be nearly as into games if it weren't for that game. :\\\\

Seriously though. There are times I seriously consider playing it yet again. I've played it over 10 times. Played it several times through BG1-TOB with the same character. Dragon Age is good, the best in recent times, but it will only compare when a decent amount of player generated content is put into the game. BGII was just more game than dragon age is at this point. And I have to say the story in BGII was better than dragon age. This isn't to diminish Dragon Age's greatness, it's better than every other game I've played. Just doesn't beat BGII.

Plus, Viconia > Morrigan. No question.

I have to agree with you o this. i still play BG II -TOB cause it such a great game. the ending was perfect you can become a GOD or GODDESS. now tell me you dont want that. I just wish bioware would just remake it with better full 3D graphics so i just enjoy the full game in this age.  

[AlanC9]

Alikain wrote...
 i still play BG II -TOB cause it such a great game. the ending was perfect you can become a GOD or GODDESS. now tell me you dont want that.  

Dude.... that's what you like about the game????

[AlanC9]

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The second I started seeing terms like "tank" "dps" I knew I was in for trouble.

Those terms are equally applicable to IE combat. Hell, D&D originated the tank concept (fighters and cleric s with lots of AC and HP, mages without), and DPS is just a measure of the character's damage output, which is applicable to any combat  game.

[dbkkk]

PST > BGII+ToB > DOA ~ BG1 >> DAA

[Domyk]

enderandrew wrote...

There are a fix with fixes and mods.

http://www.gibberlings3.net/

That's a good central hub with tons of mods. If you want to see the best of all community mods and patches put together in one place, there is the Big World Project, where you play BG1 and BG2 together in the BG2 engine together with just about everything the community has to offer.

http://www.shsforums...showtopic=43052

Oooh nice, I never finished BG2 back in the day.  Was thinking of starting a new run.  Thanks for the link.

[dbkkk]

Domyk wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

There are a fix with fixes and mods.

http://www.gibberlings3.net/

That's a good central hub with tons of mods. If you want to see the best of all community mods and patches put together in one place, there is the Big World Project, where you play BG1 and BG2 together in the BG2 engine together with just about everything the community has to offer.

http://www.shsforums...showtopic=43052

Oooh nice, I never finished BG2 back in the day.  Was thinking of starting a new run.  Thanks for the link.

Get the Widescreen mod also, works great with modern monitors and (if you want) higher resolution

[Valarioth]

BGII wins in everything.  And I don't think it's nostalgia, I can replay BGII 2-3x per year and still have a fantastic time each playthrough, and the mods make it even better.

But DA is still very fun...but I don't see myself picking it up again 10 years later, like I still do with the BG trilogy.

[Elrawkum]

No comparison. DA:O does have a lot of good moments and some good character development, but ultimately it feels very restrictive and limited, the milieu unoriginal and uninspired (I can understand them wanting to create an original fantasy world, but it pales in comparison to the FR frankly, or even to many of the other original worlds created by other games developers) and, even disregarding the bugs (difficult, but for the sake of argument), was ultimately unsatisfying as a game compared to BGII (or Oblivion, Fallout 3, or even the Witcher). I won't be replaying it, that's for sure, even with the 6 origins - unlike BGII, which I'm going to reinstall for the umpteenth time, if only to get the bad taste of DA:O out of my mouth.

[Vicious]

DAO is very restricted and limited compared to BG2, the overarching story simply doesn't FEEL epic [which is ironic] and the coolness of the hero is hand-in-hand with the villains.





The Archdemon was a very, VERY crappy big bad. Loghain literally stole the show from the Archdemon on all levels.





I have played BG2 hundreds of times over the years. Hell, the whole series.



DAO... I've played it many times... but it's lost it's luster. Even with mods and DLC, something BG2 never needed.

[Domyk]

dbkkk wrote...

Domyk wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

There are a fix with fixes and mods.

http://www.gibberlings3.net/

That's a good central hub with tons of mods. If you want to see the best of all community mods and patches put together in one place, there is the Big World Project, where you play BG1 and BG2 together in the BG2 engine together with just about everything the community has to offer.

http://www.shsforums...showtopic=43052

Oooh nice, I never finished BG2 back in the day.  Was thinking of starting a new run.  Thanks for the link.

Get the Widescreen mod also, works great with modern monitors and (if you want) higher resolution

Amazing. after all these years.  BG2 is still very much enjoyable and with the proper additions like the widescreen mod the game is pretty gorgeous even compared to todays standards.

Those who have BG2 laying around or thinking of starting anew.  The full BG 1 and 2 pack with all expansions cost < 15 bucks on amazon I highly suggest you give it a whirl.  

Modifié par Domyk, 12 avril 2010 - 09:44 .

[dbkkk]

I am in the middle of BG1 as we speak

[CybAnt1]

The idea of knitting the whole thing together (BG1 - TotSC - BG2 - ToB) as one continuous, uninterrupted saga under the BG2 engine is cool. I've never played it that way, but that would be interesting.



There are people I think trying to now do the same thing, but now under the NWN2 engine, so you can play using 3E chars/rules.



It was a great game. The problem is when I go back & play it, I just can't stand looking at my char as a tiny little ragdoll on the screen. I can never get any closer to it. It just seems to lack "presence". 3D has spoiled me. That and I can't just help but shout in my mind "why does everything have floors, but no real walls or ceilings?"

[Swordfishtrombone]

It's nice to see all this <3 towards BG2 still after all these years. It must be kinda bittersweet to work for Bioware - on one hand it's supremely cool to be part of a company that made a game that became the standard against which all subsequent games of the genre are compaired. On the other, it kinda raises expectations from you to grand hights - people keep excpecting home runs from you.

BG2 is the only game where STILL I sometimes get the itch to talk about something that happened in the game, until I remember that that would be seriously nerdy and weird, and nobody who hadn't played the game would get it at all.

But still.... that first time I saw Firkraag the dragon, and he casually flapped his wings and sent my party flying across the room, then breathed a little fire at my poor mage, leaving literally a small pile of ash where she used to be.... now THERE was a dragon....

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 12 avril 2010 - 02:48 .

[Domyk]

CybAnt1 wrote...

The idea of knitting the whole thing together (BG1 - TotSC - BG2 - ToB) as one continuous, uninterrupted saga under the BG2 engine is cool. I've never played it that way, but that would be interesting.

There are people I think trying to now do the same thing, but now under the NWN2 engine, so you can play using 3E chars/rules.

It was a great game. The problem is when I go back & play it, I just can't stand looking at my char as a tiny little ragdoll on the screen. I can never get any closer to it. It just seems to lack "presence". 3D has spoiled me. That and I can't just help but shout in my mind "why does everything have floors, but no real walls or ceilings?"

I love the far off isometric playstle view aka Baldur's gate, Diablo 1 and 2 etc.  

[CybAnt1]

I did back then. Now I like the option to have something similar to it (by moving the camera up above the party) and also have something different (by keeping it at char level).



I mean, I was supposed to be in love with Aerie, and I never saw her face; not her char's face, just the static unchanging portrait (with its constant quizzical look) of her that represented her char. Sure she had a face but it was so tiny, just a small blob-portion of her blob-ragdoll.



Having seen that the graphics representing chars can now have something resembling facial expressions, I think I like it, and don't really want to go back.

[gingerbill]

DAO i would give 9.5/10

BG2 9/10



i prefer DAO .

[Dreadstruck]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...
.... that first time I saw Firkraag the dragon....

Oh my god, that name brings me some epic music and memories.

[Domyk]

Domyk wrote...

CybAnt1 wrote...

The idea of knitting the whole thing together (BG1 - TotSC - BG2 - ToB) as one continuous, uninterrupted saga under the BG2 engine is cool. I've never played it that way, but that would be interesting.

There are people I think trying to now do the same thing, but now under the NWN2 engine, so you can play using 3E chars/rules.

It was a great game. The problem is when I go back & play it, I just can't stand looking at my char as a tiny little ragdoll on the screen. I can never get any closer to it. It just seems to lack "presence". 3D has spoiled me. That and I can't just help but shout in my mind "why does everything have floors, but no real walls or ceilings?"

I love the far off isometric playstle view aka Baldur's gate, Diablo 1 and 2 etc.  

Can't wait for Diablo 3 which is gonna make this view even better!

[b44l]

Domyk wrote...

dbkkk wrote...

Domyk wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

There are a fix with fixes and mods.

http://www.gibberlings3.net/

That's a good central hub with tons of mods. If you want to see the best of all community mods and patches put together in one place, there is the Big World Project, where you play BG1 and BG2 together in the BG2 engine together with just about everything the community has to offer.

http://www.shsforums...showtopic=43052

Oooh nice, I never finished BG2 back in the day.  Was thinking of starting a new run.  Thanks for the link.

Get the Widescreen mod also, works great with modern monitors and (if you want) higher resolution

Amazing. after all these years.  BG2 is still very much enjoyable and with the proper additions like the widescreen mod the game is pretty gorgeous even compared to todays standards.

Those who have BG2 laying around or thinking of starting anew.  The full BG 1 and 2 pack with all expansions cost < 15 bucks on amazon I highly suggest you give it a whirl.  

I have been inspired! After a quick search through the attic SoA & ToB have been recovered and are about to be reinstalled. Patches and mods have been downloaded. Ooooooh the anticipation ...

In reference to the original question I would have to rate BG II higher. However, it hardly seems fair to compare a sequel (the best sequel of all time all categories IMO) to the first game of a new series. Having said that I was pleasantly surprised by DA as my expectations were pretty low for various reasons (mainly that the BG series had set the bar so high for me). It is a very good game and it's going to be interesting to see what it will become of the franschise.

[frayjog]

Yes, BG2 > DAO.
But BG1 > BG2.

Modifié par frayjog, 12 avril 2010 - 09:01 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

frayjog wrote...

...But BG1 > BG2.

I know that there's people who see it that way, but I really cannot get my head around that concept.  For me, BG1 was the reason I put off buying BG2, and only bought it on a whim, after it had been out for a year, and the price had gone down.

When I first picked up BG1, I stopped playing less than half way through, as it was so horribly tedious. I saw the potential there for a great game, but it just wasn't doing it for me - the pathfinding and characters blocking each other, plus the endless areas with essentially nothing in them but repetitive critters killed it for me. 

BG2 seemed to correct everything that made BG1 nearly unplayable for me - it was like the ugly duckling of BG1 had grown up to become a beautiful swan in BG2.

I did eventually finish BG1, only after I'd finished BG2 a couple of times, and wanted to take one character through BG1 and BG2. So I gritted my teeth, and grinded my way through BG1, but man, it felt like work. 

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 12 avril 2010 - 09:18 .

[Domyk]

b44l wrote...

Domyk wrote...

dbkkk wrote...

Domyk wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

There are a fix with fixes and mods.

http://www.gibberlings3.net/

That's a good central hub with tons of mods. If you want to see the best of all community mods and patches put together in one place, there is the Big World Project, where you play BG1 and BG2 together in the BG2 engine together with just about everything the community has to offer.

http://www.shsforums...showtopic=43052

Oooh nice, I never finished BG2 back in the day.  Was thinking of starting a new run.  Thanks for the link.

Get the Widescreen mod also, works great with modern monitors and (if you want) higher resolution

Amazing. after all these years.  BG2 is still very much enjoyable and with the proper additions like the widescreen mod the game is pretty gorgeous even compared to todays standards.

Those who have BG2 laying around or thinking of starting anew.  The full BG 1 and 2 pack with all expansions cost < 15 bucks on amazon I highly suggest you give it a whirl.  

I have been inspired! After a quick search through the attic SoA & ToB have been recovered and are about to be reinstalled. Patches and mods have been downloaded. Ooooooh the anticipation ...

In reference to the original question I would have to rate BG II higher. However, it hardly seems fair to compare a sequel (the best sequel of all time all categories IMO) to the first game of a new series. Having said that I was pleasantly surprised by DA as my expectations were pretty low for various reasons (mainly that the BG series had set the bar so high for me). It is a very good game and it's going to be interesting to see what it will become of the franschise.

Load the "Big World Projects" mod from here http://www.shsforums...roject-bwp-v90/ (which is essentially all the great player made mods for Baldurs gate 1 and 2 combined to work as one) and the widescreen mod.

[Domyk]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

frayjog wrote...

...But BG1 > BG2.

I know that there's people who see it that way, but I really cannot get my head around that concept.  For me, BG1 was the reason I put off buying BG2, and only bought it on a whim, after it had been out for a year, and the price had gone down.

When I first picked up BG1, I stopped playing less than half way through, as it was so horribly tedious. I saw the potential there for a great game, but it just wasn't doing it for me - the pathfinding and characters blocking each other, plus the endless areas with essentially nothing in them but repetitive critters killed it for me. 

BG2 seemed to correct everything that made BG1 nearly unplayable for me - it was like the ugly duckling of BG1 had grown up to become a beautiful swan in BG2.

I did eventually finish BG1, only after I'd finished BG2 a couple of times, and wanted to take one character through BG1 and BG2. So I gritted my teeth, and grinded my way through BG1, but man, it felt like work. 

Agree, BG2 is more polished.