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[Skellimancer]

PsychofromAllandor wrote...

Personally I liked BG more than BG II, and if DA had the open map like BG did I would like it even better.  I'm not a fan of DLC so that kind of detracts from the enjoyments of Dragon Age.  Otherwise it is a great game.  I still miss the map from BG though, large random maps with nothing to do but side quests and collecting party members? Can't beat that in an RPG

Agreed.

Exploration> held by hand and guided.

[BennyHartless]

Elvhen Veluthil wrote...

BennyHartless wrote...

I think I found the root of my whole issue talking to a friend about this thread today. He said, "yeah like some people like that chronotrigger crap.". I immediatly jumped to the defense. Why? Because I played and loved that game when it was the Shizuoka. I can't relate to bg because I have no fond childhood memories of it. Make sense?

I understand what you say, but Chrono Trigger is a great game by the way. I played and finished BG1 (tutu) for the last time in 2008 (can't remember how many times totally), the only reason I don't play it anymore is because I crystal remember all the game outcomes by now (I play only good alignments). It's like watching an old movie, nothing prevents you from enjoying it.

So, provided I suck it up on the graphics, would I enoy BG2 more if I play 1 first?  Also, what's this tutu thing?  Is that also something I should look into to make my experience better?

[Elvhen Veluthil]

BennyHartless wrote...

Elvhen Veluthil wrote...

BennyHartless wrote...

I think I found the root of my whole issue talking to a friend about this thread today. He said, "yeah like some people like that chronotrigger crap.". I immediatly jumped to the defense. Why? Because I played and loved that game when it was the Shizuoka. I can't relate to bg because I have no fond childhood memories of it. Make sense?

I understand what you say, but Chrono Trigger is a great game by the way. I played and finished BG1 (tutu) for the last time in 2008 (can't remember how many times totally), the only reason I don't play it anymore is because I crystal remember all the game outcomes by now (I play only good alignments). It's like watching an old movie, nothing prevents you from enjoying it.

So, provided I suck it up on the graphics, would I enoy BG2 more if I play 1 first?  Also, what's this tutu thing?  Is that also something I should look into to make my experience better?

Tutu lets you play BG1 with BG2 resolution, graphics and gameplay system. There is a BG forum in the old Bioware forums where you can get all the help to get you started. A google link I found related can be found here:

http://www.cesspit.n...rupal/node/1415

Modifié par Elvhen Veluthil, 22 décembre 2009 - 02:05 .

[BennyHartless]

Elvhen Veluthil wrote...

BennyHartless wrote...

Elvhen Veluthil wrote...

BennyHartless wrote...

I think I found the root of my whole issue talking to a friend about this thread today. He said, "yeah like some people like that chronotrigger crap.". I immediatly jumped to the defense. Why? Because I played and loved that game when it was the Shizuoka. I can't relate to bg because I have no fond childhood memories of it. Make sense?

I understand what you say, but Chrono Trigger is a great game by the way. I played and finished BG1 (tutu) for the last time in 2008 (can't remember how many times totally), the only reason I don't play it anymore is because I crystal remember all the game outcomes by now (I play only good alignments). It's like watching an old movie, nothing prevents you from enjoying it.

So, provided I suck it up on the graphics, would I enoy BG2 more if I play 1 first?  Also, what's this tutu thing?  Is that also something I should look into to make my experience better?

Tutu lets you play BG1 with BG2 resolution, graphics and gameplay system. There is a BG forum in the old Bioware forums where you can get all the help to get you started. A google link I found related can be found here:

http://www.cesspit.n...rupal/node/1415

Wow...that all seems really complicated.  That's why I pretty much only play console games.  You put it in and it, mostly, plays.

[phordicus]

there's nothing to compare. DAO is a fantasy version of ME, not any kind of BG successor.

[Darpaek]

FFS! Don't use Tutu. Has it even been updated in the last 5 years???

Build a megamod with BGT.

http://www.shsforums...oads&showcat=72

Download the Big World Installer. Set aside 5-6 hours where your computer will be running a big long batch file. Run the installer, and it'll do all the work for you.

Modifié par Darpaek, 22 décembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[MerinTB]

Skellimancer wrote...

PsychofromAllandor wrote...

Personally I liked BG more than BG II, and if DA had the open map like BG did I would like it even better.  I'm not a fan of DLC so that kind of detracts from the enjoyments of Dragon Age.  Otherwise it is a great game.  I still miss the map from BG though, large random maps with nothing to do but side quests and collecting party members? Can't beat that in an RPG

Agreed.

Exploration> held by hand and guided.

Disagree.

Story-based with high impact outcomes and scripted encounters > wandering aimlessly to do unrelated jobs and fight random monsters.

It's why I prefer the Fallouts (1 & 2) and BG's and such to the Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3's.

But it's a personal preference.  Smaller, but more dynamic areas that I'm not "wasting" time running around is far more enjoyable for me than huge areas with lots of travel, lots of random encounters, and lots of unconnected material.

But it is just a personal prefernce, not an absolute.  I can see how some people would love the BG1 map or the Daggerfall huge world map, but all that unrelated random stuff is as grinding as a JRPG or an MMO to me.  Different interests.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Comparing games is mostly personal preference.

But after ME and DA:O, I'm confident that Bioware is better at making games now than the BG age.

[Slayer299]

I played BG and ToTSC when it came out and fell in love with it. BG 2 was even more amazing in how it continued the story, so how does DA:O compare? I'd say not. Graphically it beat BG series, but on so many levels it misses.
BG 2 had some of the best party banter...ever! DA:O had some funny-ass dialogue with Sten and Leliana or Morrigan and Alistair but it fell short there. Dialogue between NPC's in DA doesn't feel like it, some of it seems to be 'let's move the plot along'. Dont like Morrigan? Try having Jaheira and Viconia in the party at the same time. I do have to say that combat in DA is good, better than what I've seen before at least.

But where DA truly falls short is in the epicness of the storyline and the side quests. In what other story could you start out as a snot-nosed nothing and by the end of BG 2 ToB you have the choice to become a god? The sidequests in BG 2 were anything but really, when you first wound up in Athkatla the big thing for me was the overwhelming city sounds, merchants, etc, you were hit with, much less the sheer size and life going on inside of the city. Athkatla had 8 districts to go through and explore, Denerium has 3 - 4 that you can keep going back to, Sidequests like Tradesmeet and the Windspear Hills with Firkraaag were just that optional, you didn't have to do them. In DA they've got the length and complexity of getting my hair cut.

As for Villains, Irenicus rules all and he was a head and shoulders better than the Archdemon and LoghainHowe would barely garner notice compared to Sarevok from BG 1.

All in all I'd have to rate them;
Baldurs Gate 1 - 9/10
Baldurs Gate 2 - 9.4/10
Dragon Age      - 7/10

[blazin130791]

BG when i first palyed it was a 9 but without tutu it is probably like a 7 now.



if you are someone who finds dragon age hard you probably will struggle to complete BG.

[Darpaek]

Lulz! If you find DA:O hard, you won't even make it to the Friendly Arm...

[Null]

Comparing the Baldur's Gate series and Dragon Age: Origins... I'll just say Dragon Age: Origins is the best PC game I've ever played since Baldur's Gate.



But I did enjoy Baldur's Gate more, you felt like you were progressing from a level 1 nothing who can be one-shotted at any moment, to a seasoned killer in Throne of Bhaal, and eventually reach Godhood, if you choose.



Oh, and Minsc. Gotta love Minsc and Boo, whenever I replay the Baldur's Gate series, they are *always* in my party.

[phordicus]

Darpaek wrote...

Lulz! If you find DA:O hard, you won't even make it to the Friendly Arm...

i am death, come for thee.
that guy always worked me, then i wander into the inn and face the chick there with no spells .

[Iggynous]

just a quick note for those of you who haven't played BG2

ATTENTION

last time i was on the Bioware site you culd download BG2 for free

that was before DA:O was released tho, so it was a while ago

[StarMars]

Nothing beats BG2 when it comes to plot. Neverwinter Nights' Original Campaign was lacking. I haven't finished DA yet but it seems like another save-the-world-from-evil theme. The plot in BG2 was a personal one - your road to godhood... or otherwise.

Neverwinter Nights shines with its multiplayer aspect. The online community is still active up to this day.

Dragon Age. its gameplay pales in comparison to the other 2 games because of the much lesser options (races, classes etc). This "modernization" (as mentioned in the collector's disc) seems like an excuse to save developer's time and money. More races and classes would have expanded the game many times. The gameworld is refreshing though, being a new one. I remember the first time I was learning about the DnD world - I love reading all the tomes I find in the game.

It's really hard to compare games from different eras but if I were to choose a game that had more impact during its time, then I'd say the Baldur's Gate series.

Cheya!

[StarMars]

Darpaek wrote...

Lulz! If you find DA:O hard, you won't even make it to the Friendly Arm...

^this

The lack of scaling makes the game a lot harder or easier in some parts. Knowing the game mechanics and rules help a lot. But the mages are just damn...

[kenelis]

BG2 is my favorite game of all-time. But DAO is my favorite game since. I haven't finished yet, but I've been doing --nothing-- but playing the last week. I mean, I'm barely eating or sleeping, it's crazy. I had to take a breather and what am I doing, I'm looking at the DAO forums for crying out loud. Comparing them...



Characters: Even

Morrigan, Alistair, and Leliana are as endearing as Minsc, Viconia and co. I hate the "<char> approves +5" popups though, it completely ruins the immersion and encourages reloading when a dialogue doesn't end as expected for the player. Would be nice if DAO companions would initiate important conversations on the road so I don't feel like a paperboy in camp.



Bodhi and Irenicus are better than the DAO main bosses. I guess the archdemon is a sort of Sauron-like figure, but it isn't persistent enough in the story to be effective. However, I really liked the sub-bosses in DAO, very creepy bunch. I never really took the BG2 sub-bosses too seriously besides maybe Firkraag.



Plot: Even

BG2 was more personal and had a better main plot (expansion excluded), but DAO has better subplots in that there are many ways to finish a quest. Just finished the Urn quest and really liked the double-cross.



Combat: BG2

DAO feels like a chore compared to BG2. You can only queue 1 action, the camera can't handle narrow spaces like alleys, lack of camera control options, companions that stand there taking hits because the AI can't figure out what Enemy Nearest - Attack means, warriors that courteously wait for the enemy to get up after knocking them down, lockpicking as a combat talent, useless spell descriptions. Sorry, don't mean to gripe, but I think the combat system is the most disappointing part about DAO.



Overall, I would say I'm enjoying DAO as much as BG2 from a storytelling and exploration perspective, but I can't say I ever look forward to the action elements in DAO. Improve that, and DAO would quite possibly be my new favorite.

[Arbiter Libera]

StarMars wrote...

Nothing beats BG2 when it comes to plot. Neverwinter Nights' Original Campaign was lacking. I haven't finished DA yet but it seems like another save-the-world-from-evil theme. The plot in BG2 was a personal one - your road to godhood... or otherwise.

Planescape: Torment would like to have a word with you.

But you know why BG is superior to it and most other old RPGs? Because it balances very good story (which is far superior in PS:T, if you ask me) with good combat and mechanics (which are just SUPERB in Temple of Elemental Evil, most likely being the best rendition of D&D Ruleset up to date) and basically doesn't fail in any segment. It's just an extremely well rounded game that has no obvious and game breaking issues to wreck it.

Modifié par Arbiter Libera, 22 décembre 2009 - 11:33 .

[b4igum]

Say what u will but I loved the multiplayer aspect of Baldur's Gate and they should have it in all RPG's damnit

[Razh2211]

Darpaek wrote...

FFS! Don't use Tutu. Has it even been updated in the last 5 years???

Build a megamod with BGT.

http://www.shsforums...oads&showcat=72

Download the Big World Installer. Set aside 5-6 hours where your computer will be running a big long batch file. Run the installer, and it'll do all the work for you.

There is EasyTutu now. Last update was earlier this year I think. It is what it's name says it is. Easier intallation, some problems and crashes removed and so on. You can also add all those mods that make the game harder/easier.

www.usoutpost31.com/easytutu/

[JMKnave]

The answer is obvious.

BG1 and BG2 had Minsc and Boo (a miniature space hamster for goodness sakes!!) <--



Even DA:O pays homage to the great story that was the BG series when you see on your screen: "When all else fails, go for the eyes!"



That is all.

[b4igum]

i guess its about time for a bit of the ruff and tumble...DEATH TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SphereofSilence]

Ten years on, BG2 is still the better game for me. It has more content (200++ hours) and more consistently quality quests than in DAO. It's combat/spells systems was deeper and more rewarding. There were tons of weapons and armor loots and kick-ass legendary items. It's character customization offers tremendous scope and depth to craft a truly unique character that no one else has. The story brought the PC and co to numerous places of far more memorable than in DAO in one truly epic adventure. There were twists and revelations that DAO lacked. Companion interactions were almost as good as DAO, with one or two characters having longer and deeper progression when it comes to dialog. The likes of Minsc, Jaheira, Viconia, Yoshimo remained deeply seated in memory more so than the current crop of DAO party members. Some companions will leave you if you made the wrong choice, some will fight you and die, some will fight with other companions. There were many such memorable instances, but one in particular stands out - Yoshimo whom I came to cherish as a friend and comrade, was geased by Irenicus, thereby led me to a trap the whole time, and forced to fight me against his will. I was forced to irreversibly kill him, his body torn to pieces on my final blow. I was almost on tears. THAT was one of the most profoundly powerful experiences I've had in my gaming life, among many others, most of which comprised of BG2 moments.



It's impossible to really convey all the greatness of BG2 in a go. There's still plenty to be said. No one game till this day came close to surpassing BG2, not even MGS4. Certainly not DAO.



Having said that, it's not fair to compare DA with BG2. BG2 had the benefit of given time and effort solely on building content on an unheard of scale with a well-established engine. For DAO, BW had to content with building an brand new engine from scratch, toolset and the game proper. The better comparison would be between DA2 and BG2 or DAO and BG1.

[leftEdge]

I missed BG1 and 2, I don't know what I was doing back then! I love the more recent Bioware games, especially KOTOR and Dragon Age and was wondering if BG is still playable now? I know graphics, sound and other tech stuff don't make a game (particularly a Bioware one), but is BG just a little bit *too* dated for me to go back and play it without having to squint and apologise to my video card?

[kingthrall]

this is spoilerish, because you can not compare the two without evidence



hands down baldurs gate, cmon dragon age didnt even have talking swords , genies, deamons and minsc and boo. All dragon age had was a bisexual elf, two angry royal dwarves, some furries in a forest and a little possesed brat who sends zombies at you.



the worst part of all is that baldurs gate had somthing over 60-80 balanced spells not including mods, this game had a meagre 70 and over half are useless in combat as they are severley underpowered.



Lastly The plot was much better, i mean my favorite game myth 2 had a better plot (almost on the scale of baldurs gate by the way) and its not even a rpg. Its a total ripp off lord of the rings in a sense.



the game was good, but in no way does it scale agaist baldurs gate