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[Wavechaser101]

Ehh i set him free from the dungeon and since my guy was a (bad guy) i talked him into saving the boy and killing the mom instead ...i have yet to look at that chantry board yet but i will soon now.

[Ub3r_]

i hate random encounters , i guess i'll load my pre-landsmeet save and see how the story ends

[SageGaspar]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

He's just such an IDIOT. An kinda dopey idiot who isn't really responsible for all the horrible crap he ends up doing and causing, but he's such a liability that I just didn't want to worry about what shenanigans he'd get up to next.

I think he is responsible, and he has shown a propensity for lying through his teeth and playing the victim. Jowan was probably the most annoying character in the game for me.

[Yendi]

Sorry for the threadomancy but this quest remains in my favourite characters journal and I want to get rid of it without installing any cheats to my game. I wonder if any of the patches released so far fixes this or if any such patch is planned?

[Mirthadrond]

Jowan is a coward. While I sent him back to the mages, I presume they will make him tranquil.



I offered him a chance to help in redcliff, which he said he wanted too, but when really offered he'll back down.

So much for atonement...



He doesn't really care... Just trying to save his miserable hide.

[sylvanaerie]

Mirthadrond wrote...

Jowan is a coward. While I sent him back to the mages, I presume they will make him tranquil.

I offered him a chance to help in redcliff, which he said he wanted too, but when really offered he'll back down.
So much for atonement...

He doesn't really care... Just trying to save his miserable hide.

It doesn't matter what fate you choose for him, Jowan will die.  If Eamon doesn't execute him, Gregoir will.  Gregoir had called for his execution right after the phylactery escapade and I don't think any intervention from Irving would save the boy after the Redcliffe debacle.  And Jowan accepts that.  At the end he actually seems to want it.  You even get an option to execute him yourself after resolving things with Connor you can ask Teagan if you can be allowed to do it.   When you go down you talk to Jowan one last time and can learn WHY he started up Blood magic.  And the last words he speaks to a PC mage is "goodbye friend"

I used to really hate Jowan but after 5 mage playthroughs I finally understand him better and don't hate him anymore.  Pity yes but not hate.  In the end at least he mans up and accepts his culpability.

[Mirthadrond]

I don't hate jowan, I just think he's pathetic and stupid.



I got better insight about him playing a Mage, but when push came to shove he always backs down.

He's given a chance to redeem himself but in truth declines it.



I'm sure he is sorry, but his actions beyond accepting his fate, speak volumes.

Had he actually joined my party, and fought to free redcliff, I would have fought to keep him alive, but instead he comes off as a wet piece of toast.



All the trouble he caused is too dangerous for him, too scary, so he claims.



Fine rot in your cell and await your fate.



He does nothing to atone except offer more death, via blood magic.



The thing I don't understand is 'why' couldn't he reverse the effects of the poison?

No mention of his attempt that I've seen.



So, basically.... Because he doesn't even attempt to counteract the poison he gave the arl, I have to go on this insanely long quest for ashes that may not even exist.



He deserves whatever fate the circle decides.



After you save Conner, the arl should be fine as well. It's the poison making him il at this point.

Jowan offers nothing at this point.



Other than saying he's sorry, he does nothing redeemable.



Come to think of it, he says he's sorry plenty of times, but I've come to feel they are just platitudes.

He's sorry he got caught.

[Trylane]

On the PC version, Jowan's Intention is actually not a random encounter, but at a fixed location. Due to a bug the game does not activate the location, however. I think it's because checking the Chanter's Board will immediately put the "accepted seal" onto the entry, not allowing the players to accept it themselves. I'm not sure, though.

On the PC, there are ways to complete the quest. Either read here, under "Bugs".

Or get this script I slapped together. Unpack it into \\packages\\core\\override\\ and run it from the console: "runscript hst_jowint" without quotes. This will activate the location for Jowan's Intention so you can travel to it like to any other location.

[Sarah1281]

Because he doesn't even attempt to counteract the poison he gave the arl, I have to go on this insanely long quest for ashes that may not even exist.

I'm sure Loghain or one of his men provided the poison. You don't have to know how to cure a poison in order to use it. And even if Jowan had known how to cure it, you really think Isolde or Teagan would have let him near Eamon again?

[errant_knight]

You can't just release him from his cell to get him to escape, you have to tell him to get out. Otherwise, he'll stick around to try and help, which makes giving him to the mage's circle his best outcome, although maybe you can get Eamon to release him if your persuarion is high enough. 50 wasn't.



If you do make him run away, you can see him again in a random encounter, presumably after taking the board quest.

[Mirthadrond]

Do you actually kill jowan in the random encounter?

[sylvanaerie]

Mirthadrond wrote...

Do you actually kill jowan in the random encounter?

Its up to you to decide then. I think he is saving a group of travelers from darkspawn at the time and after the battle you can decide his final fate.

I tend to look on his refusal to accompany my PC as actually quite smart for once.  He knows he will just be in your way as you fight and he's not powerful enough to be of much help.  (Just try taking him into the Fade to confront the demon and you will see just how bad off he really is).  Even if you argue he has blood magic you can see its really ALL he has that is of any use and its pretty wimpy at that.  If you ask Teagan to let you execute him (after dealing with Connor in whatever way you choose) he will let you.  As a mage you can go down and talk to him and find out why he started learning blood magic in the first place. It had nothing to do with escaping the tower or becoming muahahahaha powerful.
Jowan has some serious low self esteem issues (no doubt caused by and causing a LOT of his problems).

I used to really hate him but after 5 playthroughs as mages I understand him better and I don't hate him anymore.  And at least he mans up and accepts responsibility for what he's done.  Some of the villians in the game never do that but continue to make excuses.  Jowan says he is sorry but he can offer no excuses anymore and just tells the truth. He DIDN'T summon the desire demon though he did poison the Arl and acknowledges that (if you release him and he joins you in the main hall with Teagan and Isolde).

Personally considering her duplicity caused most of this I place the lion's share of the blame on Isolde's whiny shoulders.  With some of that blame also going to Loghain for setting this all in motion in the first place.  This doesn't excuse Jowan (who seems to make the stupidest choices in the game) of anything he has done but yes I believe he truly is sorry for what happened and he wants to fix things as much as he can.

I always send him to the tower though I know Gregoir is just going to carry out the sentence he placed on the boy at the end of the Mage Origin.  At least I don't have to see him executed.  And before he goes Jowan even calls you friend.

[Sarah1281]

Whenever I ask Jowan why he poisoned the Arl, he just says that he knew he shouldn't have done it. I know Loghain saved him and everything, but why did he actually go through with it? How did he think that as going to end?

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Whenever I ask Jowan why he poisoned the Arl, he just says that he knew he shouldn't have done it. I know Loghain saved him and everything, but why did he actually go through with it? How did he think that as going to end?

It could only end in tears. The boy even admits he makes BAD bad choices and he KNEW he shouldn't have done it but he trusted Loghain (big hero who freed Ferelden from the Orlesians) because he was so desperate to go back to the Circle and stop running.  Loghain said he would fix things with them but that kind of fell through when his boy Uldred got revealed and whacked. So no inside track with the Circle.  That's even if Loghain was going to keep his word.

[Archereon]

I believe that Jowan is made tranquil if you send him to the tower, at least if he defeated the demon in the fade.

[Sarah1281]

He'd probably be better off if you just let Eamon execute him in that case.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 04 avril 2010 - 07:12 .

[BlueMew]

Yes, I don't hate him, but he has all the self-preservation instincts (and all the empathy) of an especially bright carrot. After all the bad business in the Circle Tower, what does he do?

Go on to poison Eamon. If he had the guts or the brains to actually tell the Guerrins instead, he would probably have been thanked for it and kept safe. *shakes head*

[Sarah1281]

I don't know. If Isolde's reasons for not telling Eamon about Connor were true (and Teagan didn't say anything about it not being the case) he would want to do the 'right thing' and turn him over to the people who were legally after him.

[Jawson]

I used Jowan to fight the demon in the fade once, but

i have yet to finish his intentions.

[Mirthadrond]

Poor poor Jowan. Such a fool.



I'm going to let him go next time so I can do the random encounter, let him go again.



Somehow, some way, he'll make up for his stupid choices, in the future.

[TheShadowWolf911]

they should make a DLC pack or something allowing him to be a party member (with leveling up, he can be stronger, and the mages may forgive him if he helps end the sodding Blight.)

[danerman]

Jowan's big mistake is in the Circle trying to escape and learning blood magic in the first place. After that I can't see any choice he made turning out to be positive and I'd argue in the end the choices he made after escaping the tower were the most positive of any choices he could have made. If he did not agree to poisoning Eamon, I can't see Loghain letting him live. He acts like it was his choice but I really could not see Loghain saying "oh well, I tried have a nice life". The only thing I could see is him agreeing to it but not following through once he was in the castle. That would have opened a whole can of worms that I'm not sure where it would have led but probably much worse than what happened. My guess is when Loghain found out the deed was not done he would have accused Eamon of hiring a blood mage to train Connor. Isolde or anyone claiming Loghain actually offered Jowan to her would just sound like a desperate lie, no one would believe the hero of the River Dane would do that. Eamon might pin the blame on Isolde which would be true since she hired him but actually I think Eamon would not do that to his wife as much as I can't stand him. My guess is Eamon and/or Isolde would have been executed for hiring a blood mage. As it stands if the Warden makes the appropriate choices it is possible for everyone to live.

Modifié par danerman, 22 avril 2011 - 01:21 .

[Micon2]

Can you make Jowan a Greywarden or not? I tried to have him freed inconvo with the Arl and was told that was stretching his compassion or sords to that effect. I just wonder why there are so many blood rings in the game

[GSSAGE7]

Micon2 wrote...

Can you make Jowan a Greywarden or not? I tried to have him freed inconvo with the Arl and was told that was stretching his compassion or sords to that effect. I just wonder why there are so many blood rings in the game

1) You cannot make him a Grey Warden. It was planned, but wasn't put in for some reason or another.
2) The blood mage exclusive items are for other mages who can become blood mages.
3) Probably not a good idea to necro a thread this old.