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[Legendary Chop Chop]

Thanks for the support you guys. It's a real shame that it got handled like this. I was suspect of the idea to ship it in a frame, but I assumed it was plexiglass and not a full glass frame.

@Kem1995, Well, the piece is not completely worthless, but it doesn't look very good. I would be surprised to see if anybody would actually want the art like this, let alone pay for it. The damage looks a little worse than it does in the picture than it does in real life. It's just a painful reminder in my opinion.

I've never had an issue with packages arriving damaged, not like this. Although I had one frame I got a few years ago that arrived with broken glass.

Either way, I just hope that UPS doesn't screw me over by saying it wasn't their fault that it broke because fragile wasn't written on the box. Anybody familiar with UPS insurance?

Modifié par Legendary Chop Chop, 28 avril 2012 - 01:00 .

[rasmusvn]

I can't speak for UPS but I was once in the process of buying a litho in a frame (real glass).

It wasn't possible to insure it when it was in a frame.

[Kem1995]

It should haven't been sent with glass, or at least the seller could have put the glass in a seperate box, or wrapped seperatly so if it does break it doesn't touch the lithograph.

I can see your problem though, the scratches are very visable on the image. However like I said, if you don't plan to ever sell it, thats one step forward. If you frame it properly, im sure a lot of the visual damage will go away, not saying it'll look perfect, just better. I do hope yo uget a refund though.

Poor Tali :/

[Legendary Chop Chop]

Yeah, it's sad indeed. One less /500 around...

I can't get over why he thought it was a good idea to ship glass in a huge box without putting "fragile" on it. A poor mistake for someone with high feedback.

However, the seller declared the value for what it cost and I have proof of it, so I think I have that taken care of.

I already bought another I found, just because it's important to me that I get her. I had better get a refund because that is what I intend on paying for this one with. I'll know on Monday for sure. If UPS doesn't cover it, I'll take it to PayPal or even the credit card company to dispute the charge.

Modifié par Legendary Chop Chop, 28 avril 2012 - 07:06 .

[Kem1995]

You shouldn't have ordered another one unless the refund was given 100%, my opinion anyway.

I still would never ship a lithograph, or any merchandise with glass, fragile or not, its going to break sooner or later

[SniperREX]

I thought most frames now had plexiglass instead of glass.

You shouldn't have any problem with the insurance refund.

Modifié par SniperREX, 29 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[ArtofBrad]

For 18x24 frames, some still come with glass because it is still reasonably cheap at that size. Once you get above that size though, the fact that glass easily shatters makes it unsuitable. That is why acrylic is so cool because it is about the same optical purity and is shatterproof.

Granted you can still buy glass in larger sizes, but it gets to be very expensive.

[Legendary Chop Chop]

Kem1995, don't worry. I will not be buying from that seller anymore. I got one from another seller that I've dealt with before and trust.

Thanks for the reinsurance, SniperREX. Makes me feel pretty good about getting the money back!

[Kem1995]

Quick question about lithographs and storing them. Is it bad to put multiple lithographs in one of the tubes that their sent in? (2 is reasonable I know, but what about more than 2, like 3-4 maybe 5?)

I'm having trouble finding places to put them, can't hang them all up so any ideas on where to store them? Are there any plastic sleeves that are the right size for these?

[rasmusvn]

I guess it depends on the diameter of the tube. Are tubes acidic?

There's also this: http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/B000H7N4H2

Does anyone know where these are available in Europe or possibly alternatives?

Modifié par rasmusvn, 02 mai 2012 - 11:13 .

[Kem1995]

I'm not sure to be honest, it was just the tube Treehouse sent me when I ordered Aria and Reaper Attack lithographs.

If you have any suggestions on where I can store them, I'm all ears

And I'd also like to know where I can get them folders too

Modifié par Kem1995, 02 mai 2012 - 11:23 .

[Dustwulf]

I use 
 http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/B000H7N4H2  


I think it's perfect for temporarily storing lithos until you can get them framed.

Modifié par Dustwulf, 03 mai 2012 - 12:41 .

[Kem1995]

I don't think that can be shipped to the UK though

Edit:

Just checked, doesn't ship outside the US. Thats no good :/ Anyone have a spare one they'd sell? 

Modifié par Kem1995, 03 mai 2012 - 12:55 .

[Legendary Chop Chop]

Still waiting to get a word back from UPS about the damages, I sent them at least 12 pictures showcasing the damage and the seller helped some before shipment as well to show it was them that messed it up. I should know what'll happen by the end of this week and am currently putting up the damaged one for trade in the litho trading thread. It's not worth 500 dollars for sure, but it's still holding of some value I bet.

Kem: I'm sure that there's some place that has those 18x24 holders in the UK. That case in particular is very nice, though. Did you try Amazon.co.uk for them?

Modifié par Legendary Chop Chop, 03 mai 2012 - 10:18 .

[Kem1995]

I did and no luck finding any, it's a shame. Not sure what else to use

[rasmusvn]

So about the Itoya Art Profolio.

"Kem1995" found it here: www.artsupply.com/portfolio/itoyaartcare.htm

Amazon.com has it as well but at the time I looked only from third party sellers.

I placen an order at artsupply.com and they shipped it after one day.

Modifié par rasmusvn, 10 mai 2012 - 09:54 .

[Kem1995]

I ended up ordering mine off eBay actually, was a tad bit cheaper including postage.

But yeah that site has a lot of cool stuff, sleeves, portfolios and what not, never heard of it before though

[RighteousNixon]

The portfolios like the Itoya are definitely the best way to store lithos and also one of cheapest. There are other brands out there as well. Just make sure that the portfolio is archival as there are non archival versions out there. In regards to Itoya, I highly recommend going up a couple notches and getting the Profolio Professional version if your storing prints that are 13 x 19 or smaller. Unfortunatly they dont offer a larger size in the Profolio Professional version. The Profolio Professional has a leather cover and are really quite nice. I have 4 of the 11 x 14 model that I use for my photography print portfolios and I have 6 of the 9 x 13 model which I use for my Aspen/Michael Turner lithographs. The leather just ages a lot better than the polypropylene covers and they are far more comfortable to look through. If your storing 18 x 24 prints then I recommend going with the Profolio Evolution model over the original Itoya Profolio. 

Another way to store them, if you dont want to go the portfolio route is to use archival mat board and print bags. For example, with an 18 x 24 print, you would simply lay the print over an 18 x 24 piece of matt board and then slide them both into a print bag. Tape the bag shut and your all good. You can then store them in print boxes. I have used this method countless times with my own photograpy prints.

I usually buy mine from Adorama Camera on eBay. They have just about every iteration of Itoya portfolios that currently exist. They package things up really well and have great customer service.

Modifié par RighteousNixon, 18 mai 2012 - 06:56 .

[rasmusvn]

RighteousNixon wrote...

The portfolios like the Itoya are definitely the best way to store lithos and also one of cheapest. There are other brands out there as well. Just make sure that the portfolio is archival as there are non archival versions out there. In regards to Itoya, I highly recommend going up a couple notches and getting the Profolio Professional version if your storing prints that are 13 x 19 or smaller. Unfortunatly they dont offer a larger size in the Profolio Professional version. The Profolio Professional has a leather cover and are really quite nice. I have 4 of the 11 x 14 model that I use for my photography print portfolios and I have 6 of the 9 x 13 model which I use for my Aspen/Michael Turner lithographs. The leather just ages a lot better than the polypropylene covers and they are far more comfortable to look through. If your storing 18 x 24 prints then I recommend going with the Profolio Evolution model over the original Itoya Profolio. 

Another way to store them, if you dont want to go the portfolio route is to use archival mat board and print bags. For example, with an 18 x 24 print, you would simply lay the print over an 18 x 24 piece of matt board and then slide them both into a print bag. Tape the bag shut and your all good. You can then store them in print boxes. I have used this method countless times with my own photograpy prints.

I usually buy mine from Adorama Camera on eBay. They have just about every iteration of Itoya portfolios that currently exist. They package things up really well and have great customer service.

Could you specify why?

Update: probably because of this:

The most obvious difference to the Evolution line is the classy black nylon cloth piping around the cover edges. This alone moves the product up into the realm of using it to show your prints to that bourgeois gallery owner you managed to buttonhole as s/he is just getting out of her/his Infiniti sedan. The clear labelling pocket on the spine is no more - I assume it just wasn't considered classy enough by those who know about such things. (I have mixed feelings about this, since I need an outside label to differentiate the half dozen portfolios I so far have. We'll see how gum labels hold up over time.) Inside, the sleeves are now crystal clear for the look that photographers everywhere love. An unexpected minor bonus: I find it easier to insert and remove prints from the non-matte sleeves; the texture of the original Profolios seemed to introduce a bit of friction.

Modifié par rasmusvn, 18 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[RighteousNixon]

rasmusvn wrote...

Could you specify why?

Update: probably because of this:

The most obvious difference to the Evolution line is the classy black nylon cloth piping around the cover edges. This alone moves the product up into the realm of using it to show your prints to that bourgeois gallery owner you managed to buttonhole as s/he is just getting out of her/his Infiniti sedan. The clear labelling pocket on the spine is no more - I assume it just wasn't considered classy enough by those who know about such things. (I have mixed feelings about this, since I need an outside label to differentiate the half dozen portfolios I so far have. We'll see how gum labels hold up over time.) Inside, the sleeves are now crystal clear for the look that photographers everywhere love. An unexpected minor bonus: I find it easier to insert and remove prints from the non-matte sleeves; the texture of the original Profolios seemed to introduce a bit of friction.

Thats it. The clear lableling pocket is really cheap and you will start to have problems with it with extended use. That said, its the sleeve quality that really separates one from the other. The Evolution sleeves are super clear and the original seleves have a dull matt finish. Have you ever seen anti glare glass? Its framing glass that has a light frosted coating to help cut down on glare. The original sleeves have a similar appearance. I vastly prefer clear pages when it comes to portfolios. It is true that its easier to slide prints into the clear pages however I never really had a problem sliding them into the original pages. Still, easier is better.

[Petipas]

http://www.ebay.ca/i...9#ht_683wt_1397



Now, how should I frame this? Any suggestions?

[MortalEngines]

Petipas wrote...

http://www.ebay.ca/i...9#ht_683wt_1397



Now, how should I frame this? Any suggestions?

Nice buy! I would never spend that much on a litho but that's because I'm poor .

As for framing, seeing as you spent so much on it - you might want to go for UV protected safety glass. I find the white border frames go really well with black or silver (mine are all in silver frames). Personally I just go for bog standard plexi-glass with my frames but that's because I live in the UK and my room barely gets any light (and when it does, it doesn't go near the walls where the lithos are).

Other than that, I find there is no need to get fancy mounts or frames for lithos. Normal 24x18 frames look the best as the art just speaks for itself, especially with something as beautiful as the Illuim one, a fancy frame would just dwarf the litho in my opinion, same with mounts.

[Legendary Chop Chop]

Petipas wrote...

http://www.ebay.ca/i...9#ht_683wt_1397



Now, how should I frame this? Any suggestions?

I was wondering who was going to get that. Nice buy! Shame about the warped coloring, though. You got the first one of the most sought-after litho (Saren doesn't count), lucky you. Great price for what it is.

Go for a standard 18x24 with some archival backing since you paid so much for it, might as well pay a little more for a frame.

Modifié par Legendary Chop Chop, 20 mai 2012 - 01:09 .

[Kem1995]

It'd be a good idea if you just got it framed proffessionally by someone. After all,thats one of the most wanted lithographs to date, and is number 1.

[Petipas]

Legendary Chop Chop wrote...

Petipas wrote...

http://www.ebay.ca/i...9#ht_683wt_1397



Now, how should I frame this? Any suggestions?

I was wondering who was going to get that. Nice buy! Shame about the warped coloring, though. You got the first one of the most sought-after litho (Saren doesn't count), lucky you. Great price for what it is.

Go for a standard 18x24 with some archival backing since you paid so much for it, might as well pay a little more for a frame.

Why doesn't Saren count? lol

And as for the UV safe glass, is there a particular kind that everyone on here found the best? I just wanted to check since you guys all probably have a lot more experience at this than me.