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[chris025657]

NewMessageN00b wrote...

The thing is, Reapers had no idea what exactly happened to the Citadel. Since it stopped after wiping out Protheans, it's only a logical assumption. Also, even to get just a remote grasp at why the Citadel didn't work after sending the signal this time, Sovereign needed to interface with what's left of Protheans. When people found that beacon, only then he had information where to look. And yet he still doesn't know what to look for. And since Sovereign can't quite manipulate physical objects, he needed Saren to make sense of Prothean systems to get the info. As for the whole complex - after getting the necessary information - it was only logical to try use the Conduit again. Wouldn't you know... it miraculously worked... Wouldn't surprise me, if they just fixed it up enough for it to work. It's all Reaper tech, remember. So, I wouldn't surprised the Reaper just put new insides based on Prothean spec.

The Conduit wasn't just something that happened to be useful; the audio files make it clear that Saren was already pursuing the Conduit. This was his primary motive for attacking Eden Prime. It said nothing about investigating what the Protheans had done to disrupt the Reaper's signal.

[IamDanThaMan]

There's no way to know if those audio files were from before Saren attacked Eden Prime. And even if Saren was already looking for the Conduit, he may not have known what it was. I don't see any reason to assume that he knew any more than Shepard did. He likely found some reference to the conduit and connected it to the Protheans altering the signal from the Citadel, but still didn't know what it was. The key was that he needed to find out how they altered the citadel so that he could reverse it quickly, otherwise he would have to spend time trying to figure it out, during which time he would arouse suspicion.

[chris025657]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

There's no way to know if those audio files were from before Saren attacked Eden Prime.

That's irrelevant. Saren was searching for the Conduit before attacking Eden Prime. The Prothean beacon on Eden Prime only contained a warning message about the Reaper threat and contained nothing about the Conduit or what Protheans had done to interrupt the Reaper's activation signal. Even if it did contain information about the Conduit, Saren would not be able to understand it without the Cipher. The audio files directly state that his attack on Eden Prime brings him one step closer to finding the Conduit. He's searching for the Conduit.

 And even if Saren was already looking for the Conduit, he may not have known what it was. I don't see any reason to assume that he knew any more than Shepard did. He likely found some reference to the conduit and connected it to the Protheans altering the signal from the Citadel, but still didn't know what it was. The key was that he needed to find out how they altered the citadel so that he could reverse it quickly, otherwise he would have to spend time trying to figure it out, during which time he would arouse suspicion.

Even if we grant that Saren wasn't searching directly for the Conduit and was primarily searching for what the Protheans had done to interrupt the Reaper signal (which is never supported in game BTW), it's still illogical. If there's a problem with the Citadel functioning as a Relay, you don't risk everything chasing down anything Prothean in some remote chance that you'll find out what they did, you investigate the Citadel. 

Which would arouse more suspicion:

• Investigating the Citadel for whatever the Protheans changed or
• The first Geth sighting and attack in 300 years on a human colony after a potentially huge technological discovery

The Citadel is Reaper technology. They should be able to understand how their own technology works. In the end, all Saren and Sovereign attempted to do was simply manually activate the Citadel as a relay.

[chris025657]

NewMessageN00b wrote...
Vigil explains why Reapers needed to find Ilos and how they don't know about the problem. So it's supported. 

No, it's not. At no point does Vigil say Saren was primarily investigating what the Protheans had done to interrupt the Keeper's receptivity to the Reaper's signals. It actually emphasizes that Saren needed the Conduit to reach the Citadel and manually transfer control of the station to Sovereign, bypassing the keepers entirely.

As for Geth vs direct investigation. Sovereign may have attempted, using Saren. But there is no way to know, if they're risking all or nothing when going in and activating it without seeing the exact information on what the Protheans did.

 As I said in the previous post, it makes far more sense to directly investigate the Citadel rather than risking everything on the risky and extremely remote chance of actually discovering what the Protheans had done by chasing down anything related to the Protheans. The Reapers know how their own system of activating the Citadel works. The Reapers are also known to use indoctrinated agents for the purposes of infiltration. It would not be impossible for Sovereign to more directly investigate the cause of the Citadel's malfunction before any planned attack. 

 Also, given that the Keepers are the first direct receivers of the signal, they must be the problem. But you also can't just go and replace them, as they self-destruct when doing anything with them and it makes sense for them to ignore all Reaper signals to do anything (as it's always easier to just disable whole systems than modifying them to do nothing on specific terms). The Protheans have most probably also altered whatever Keeper production or support facility too, requiring huge changes to fix the actual problem. As for going and activating the Citadel Relay, again, no idea if the Keepers will not go and blow the place up. Too many variables, even further climbing risks. 

The keepers don't need to be replaced to activate the Citadel. Again, Saren bypasses the keepers entirely and attempts to manually activate the Citadel.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Sure it was strange, but it was awesome, felt like a little bit of a throw back to Star Trek to me, that there's all manner of crazy stuff just waiting to be discovered in the galaxy. Real good Space Opera stuff, Mass Effect 2 felt like a more narrow, action based story which is great too, I'm just hoping ME3 returns to its roots.

[Siegdrifa]

chris025657 wrote...

That's irrelevant. Saren was searching for the Conduit before attacking Eden Prime. The Prothean beacon on Eden Prime only contained a warning message about the Reaper threat and contained nothing about the Conduit or what Protheans had done to interrupt the Reaper's activation signal. Even if it did contain information about the Conduit, Saren would not be able to understand it without the Cipher. The audio files directly state that his attack on Eden Prime brings him one step closer to finding the Conduit. He's searching for the Conduit.

About that part, i remember well.
First the beacon was encrypted that no machine could understand it, only organic proteans.
The beacon was meant to be heard by other survivor accros galaxy (if they existed), to let them know about Ilos.
Reapers use citadel information to uncover all places where spacies have etablished themself, but Ilos was a secret project that wasn't recorded anywhere in the citadelle data.
Since the signale is altered, vigile say sovereign must have found out that something went wrong.

So it's more than logic to try to find why i's not working and fix it to be sure it doesn't happen again.

The story take place when sovereign have already some clue about the problem, only shepard have to discover it fully, sovereign and saren are always one step forward.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 23 novembre 2010 - 06:59 .

[jdranetz]

Like how the council prevented Saren from practicing law.
That's what "Disbar" means, to be removed from the Bar Association. (barrister=lawyer)
They should have said "bar", instead.