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Maria Caliban wrote...

The people of Thedas know the gryphons are extinct and thought the dragons were until the Dragon Age.

Yes, but what makes them think these are extinct when they don't even know what's behind a huge mountain to the west? There can be dragon kingdom ruled by griffons there, for all they know.

edit: regarding the concept itself, from what i can quickly google it seems it wasn't popularized until 1800's, no matter if the word to describe it was taken from latin..?

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tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The people of Thedas know the gryphons are extinct and thought the dragons were until the Dragon Age.

Yes, but what makes them think these are extinct when they don't even know what's behind a huge mountain to the west? There can be dragon kingdom ruled by griffons there, for all they know.


The same reasoning that led to greek philosophers knowing women had fewer teeth than men and middle age doctors knowing that personality was influenced by the body's four humors.

Are you suggesting it's unrealistic for a pre-modern people to have a belief based in ignorance?

They don't see any griffons. They don't know of anyone who's seen griffons. There used to be lots of them, but now they're gone. Ergo, griffons don't exist anymore.

They didn't see any dragons. They didn't know of anyone who'd seen dragons for a few centuries. There used to be lots of them, but now they're gone. Ergo, dragons don't exist -- oops! There's a dragon munching on Chantry elders and destroying Orlesan villages. Guess they still do exist.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Are you suggesting it's unrealistic for a pre-modern people to have a belief based in ignorance?

They don't see any griffons. They don't know of anyone who's seen griffons. There used to be lots of them, but now they're gone. Ergo, griffons don't exist anymore.

As mentioned in the edit i did to the post, it seems the idea wasn't actually popular in our own world until quite recently.

So yes, i'm suggesting that it's quite easier to presume that there's griffons and dragons in the parts of the world outside of the little area one can gather info from, than come up with concept the species has completely disappeared worldwide when the possible cause for this extinction (human hunters) aren't even capable of travelling throughout that whole world. As in, there's difference between "extinct" and "not seen in our village/country for a while".

It's also easier to find explanation based on something already known, than come up with entirely new concept. The griffons are gone? So do birds, when they move to warmer parts of the world in the winter. So do other animals who hide and spend harsh times asleep. Why wouldn't people just presume that maybe griffons and/or dragons are just hibernating for a (longer) while elsewhere, like these other species? Or have migrated to elsewhere, where there isn't humans poking them with sharp sticks?

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ANYWAY. About that Cassandra.
I like her armor design, though the elbow guards do seem a tad excessive. Unless of course she regularly goes around elbowing people with them. Admittedly, I would probably do exactly that, if I had to stand around and let Varric yank my chain all day.
>.>
I do prefer her slicked-back, dark hair to the style she has in the new trailer. There's something about that shiny grey that makes it look like an unfinished texture. Maybe it's just me; I dunno.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 31 octobre 2010 - 02:57 .


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I Prefer The New White Hair, It Makes her Look Unique. Though I Wouldn't Mind Some Black Streaks in it.

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tmp7704 wrote...

edit: regarding the concept itself, from what i can quickly google it seems it wasn't popularized until 1800's, no matter if the word to describe it was taken from latin..?



Look at Online Etymology Dictionary, Dictionary.com, or Marriam Webster. They all place its enterance into the English language at the early 15 hundreds.

Moreover, I'm not sure how you can discount it's from Latin. Latin predates English. A concept expressed in Latin exists and was known by a huge number of people.

I mean, 'ideal' didn't enter English until the fifteenth century. 'Excellent' is from the mid-14th century. 'Sex' the late 14th century.

Are you going to argue that these concepts would be out of place in Dragon Age because concepts based in Latin don't count?

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tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The people of Thedas know the gryphons are extinct and thought the dragons were until the Dragon Age.

Yes, but what makes them think these are extinct when they don't even know what's behind a huge mountain to the west? There can be dragon kingdom ruled by griffons there, for all they know.

edit: regarding the concept itself, from what i can quickly google it seems it wasn't popularized until 1800's, no matter if the word to describe it was taken from latin..?

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Moreover, I'm not sure how you can discount it's from Latin. Latin predates English. A concept expressed in Latin exists and was known by a huge number of people.

I'm not discounting existence of the word in latin. I question however if it was actually used in this specific context. The word is after all listed as having multiple meanings, so i wouldn't be too fast to subscribe to the idea that all these individual meanings date back to ancient/middle ages. As opposed to the word gaining additional meaning(s) as it was adopted to describe new concept(s).

edit: To put it diffferently, "car" as word dates back to 13th century or so. Would you consider it a sign that what we've come to understand as "car" was common concept all way back then?

Modifié par tmp7704, 31 octobre 2010 - 04:36 .


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They don't see any griffons. They don't know of anyone who's seen griffons. There used to be lots of them, but now they're gone. Ergo, griffons don't exist anymore.


Graider: There aren't any more Griffins, therefore you suck

Eventually

Higher ups of EA/Bioware: Put Griffins in the story again.
David: But...
HP: Do it or we'll fire you.

....
ANYWAY. About that Cassandra.
I like her armor design, though
the elbow guards do seem a tad excessive. Unless of course she
regularly goes around elbowing people with them. Admittedly, I would
probably do exactly that, if I had to stand around and let Varric yank my chain all day.


Hey at least armors are more feminized now.

Modifié par NKKKK, 31 octobre 2010 - 05:30 .


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NKKKK wrote...

They don't see any griffons. They don't know of anyone who's seen griffons. There used to be lots of them, but now they're gone. Ergo, griffons don't exist anymore.


Graider: There aren't any more Griffins, therefore you suck

Eventually

Higher ups of EA/Bioware: Put Griffins in the story again.
David: But...
HP: Do it or we'll fire you.



I Can Easily Picture this.

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I kind of dig Cassandra's new hairstyle because it makes her look like Handmaiden from KOTOR 2. But I still think it was a placeholder.

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shepard_lives wrote...

I kind of dig Cassandra's new hairstyle because it makes her look like Handmaiden from KOTOR 2. But I still think it was a placeholder.


I Hope not, I Like The New look.

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Attention citizens! Ser Cassandra sent me a message recently, demanding that I convince as many people as possible to join her official fan club, "The Seeker".

Her reasoning behind the sudden demand was left very much undisclosed. However, and this is off the record, I suspect that she was wanting in motivation due to a certain trial which is currently underway. I cannot say more, except that the trial involves a very pesky little dwarf who has caused us no amount of grief, and who happens to be a former compatriot of the Champion of Kirkwall. Joining this group might very well provide her with the perserverance to see this trial through.

Know that in becoming a member of "The Seeker" you are following the best interests of the Chantry, and are ensuring the safety and security of Kirkwall. Maker bless you.

http://social.bioware.com/group/3007/

P.S. I wouldn't keep her waiting. She can get very cranky.

~ Signed, Rose, associate of the Seekers and official messenger of Ser Cassandra Pentaghast.

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Golden-Rose wrote...

Attention citizens! Ser Cassandra sent me a message recently, demanding that I convince as many people as possible to join her official fan club, "The Seeker".

Her reasoning behind the sudden demand was left very much undisclosed. However, and this is off the record, I suspect that she was wanting in motivation due to a certain trial which is currently underway. I cannot say more, except that the trial involves a very pesky little dwarf who has caused us no amount of grief, and who happens to be a former compatriot of the Champion of Kirkwall. Joining this group might very well provide her with the perserverance to see this trial through.

Know that in becoming a member of "The Seeker" you are following the best interests of the Chantry, and are ensuring the safety and security of Kirkwall. Maker bless you.

http://social.bioware.com/group/3007/

P.S. I wouldn't keep her waiting. She can get very cranky.

~ Signed, Rose, associate of the Seekers and official messenger of Ser Cassandra Pentaghast.


Keep Up the Good work and Serve Cassandra!

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No Cassandra art!? What!?

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UberDuber wrote...

No Cassandra art!? What!?


I Can't find any.

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Aimo drew her once or twice in the background of her Varric comics.

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I doodled her with Lucius Malfoy hair but I don't think I'm going to post it. I'll draw something better with her later.

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Pseudocognition wrote...

I doodled her with Lucius Malfoy hair but I don't think I'm going to post it. I'll draw something better with her later.


Really? I Like Your art so this would make my day.

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Cassandra is a nine letter word.

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nine is evil right

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

nine is evil right


Yep. Be afraid!

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Cassandra is Ardnassac backwards

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but I'm evil, why should I be afraid

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HiddenKING wrote...

Cassandra is Ardnassac backwards


that sounds evil