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[mineralica]

kanuvis wrote...

Shepard will be Saren 2,0 in ME3, renegade specter being hunted by others specters.

Why only renegade? I have a feeling that Council won't appreciate even my all-white-and-with-wings Shepard. Things what possibly will ber named: unleashed the rachni/committed genocide, risked to continue contamination by the colonists/wiped out colony, planted nuke at settle-worthy planet, killed asari matriarch, started rebellion and gone with prototype ship (fraternized, as a bonus), killed Saren (you should keep them alive to ask questions later), I'm not sure but possibly "our good Saren worked undercover to stop evil Shepard", work(ed) with Cerberus, attempted to create cure for genophage, blown up Purgatory, destroyed derelict Reaper, tried to gain control on geth/created enormous explosion which damaged something, activated relay in inhabited system.
Just remembered - something similar was propaganded in JE (Lotus-agent near landing zone in Imperial city).
So I'm highly expect Council sending someone to stop Shepard

[Stazro]

mineralica wrote...

kanuvis wrote...

Shepard will be Saren 2,0 in ME3, renegade specter being hunted by others specters.

Why only renegade? I have a feeling that Council won't appreciate even my all-white-and-with-wings Shepard. Things what possibly will ber named: unleashed the rachni/committed genocide, risked to continue contamination by the colonists/wiped out colony, planted nuke at settle-worthy planet, killed asari matriarch, started rebellion and gone with prototype ship (fraternized, as a bonus), killed Saren (you should keep them alive to ask questions later), I'm not sure but possibly "our good Saren worked undercover to stop evil Shepard", work(ed) with Cerberus, attempted to create cure for genophage, blown up Purgatory, destroyed derelict Reaper, tried to gain control on geth/created enormous explosion which damaged something, activated relay in inhabited system.
Just remembered - something similar was propaganded in JE (Lotus-agent near landing zone in Imperial city).
So I'm highly expect Council sending someone to stop Shepard

If you saved the council you can be formally reinstated as spectre. I think that should be a difference.

[Soahfreako]

Stazro wrote...

mineralica wrote...

kanuvis wrote...

Shepard will be Saren 2,0 in ME3, renegade specter being hunted by others specters.

Why only renegade? I have a feeling that Council won't appreciate even my all-white-and-with-wings Shepard. Things what possibly will ber named: unleashed the rachni/committed genocide, risked to continue contamination by the colonists/wiped out colony, planted nuke at settle-worthy planet, killed asari matriarch, started rebellion and gone with prototype ship (fraternized, as a bonus), killed Saren (you should keep them alive to ask questions later), I'm not sure but possibly "our good Saren worked undercover to stop evil Shepard", work(ed) with Cerberus, attempted to create cure for genophage, blown up Purgatory, destroyed derelict Reaper, tried to gain control on geth/created enormous explosion which damaged something, activated relay in inhabited system.
Just remembered - something similar was propaganded in JE (Lotus-agent near landing zone in Imperial city).
So I'm highly expect Council sending someone to stop Shepard

If you saved the council you can be formally reinstated as spectre. I think that should be a difference.

^This guy knows what's up.

[Zan51]

You were never un-instated as a Specter. You just get the chance to have Anderson say you can be reactivated.And if the council dies, it is replaced by a Human dominated one, and Specters aren't disbanded. No idea how the OP thinks that...

[armass]

They should give us 2 spectres as companions, since the council is probably gonna take the reaper threat seriously at last in 3rd game. I'm suggesting a female turian and a male salarian spectres, since we probably will already get Liara, no need for an asari.

[Soahfreako]

Zan51 wrote...

You were never un-instated as a Specter. You just get the chance to have Anderson say you can be reactivated.And if the council dies, it is replaced by a Human dominated one, and Specters aren't disbanded. No idea how the OP thinks that...

Well when you're dead and in some type of military, you are marked as KIA. Which means that since you're dead and no longer able to serve, you are taken off the 'active' list. In this case the spectre list. So since, you know, you died and everything you aren't on the spectre list anymore and therefore need to be put back on it.

[Computer_God91]

Zan51 wrote...

You were never un-instated as a Specter. You just get the chance to have Anderson say you can be reactivated.And if the council dies, it is replaced by a Human dominated one, and Specters aren't disbanded. No idea how the OP thinks that...

Well, I think it's safe to assume english isn't your first language. If it is then..uh, no offence. I never said that Shepard was disbarred from the spectres I said that every other spectre out there that Shepard has meet has been a rogue one, so to put the Spectres in a better light I suggested that Bioware should give us at least one other Spectre as a squadmate to show that not all Spectres are rogue agents. In addition to that I said we needed to have another Saren/Tela Villain for ME3. I never said anything about Shepard being kicked out although SoahFreako did explain what happened. However, if a human council is created due to the deaths of the Alien Council the spectres don't mean anything anymore and are as good as non-existent.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 04 novembre 2010 - 03:56 .

[Soahfreako]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Zan51 wrote...

You were never un-instated as a Specter. You just get the chance to have Anderson say you can be reactivated.And if the council dies, it is replaced by a Human dominated one, and Specters aren't disbanded. No idea how the OP thinks that...

Well, I think it's safe to assume english isn't your first language. If it is then..uh, no offence. I never said that Shepard was disbarred from the spectres I said that every other spectre out there that Shepard has meet has been a rogue one, so to put the Spectres in a better light I suggested that Bioware should give us at least one other Spectre as a squadmate to show that not all Spectres are rogue agents. In addition to that I said we needed to have another Saren/Tela Villain for ME3. I never said anything about Shepard being kicked out although SoahFreako did explain what happened. However, if a human council is created due to the deaths of the Alien Council the spectres don't mean anything anymore and are as good as non-existent.

^This guy knows what's up.

[Zan51]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

The spectres are disbanded if it is an all human council. There wouldn't be any spectres.

And as for the first part of your comment, we are basically saying the same thing. Though, if you are Paragon and destroyed the base, the Council have even more reason to think you've gone rogue as you have the Rachni, Geth, and Krogans under your command. 

"Holy Parallels Batman!"

Soahfreako
Well, I think it's safe to assume english isn't your first language. If it is then..uh, no offence. I never said that Shepard was disbarred from the spectres I said that every other spectre out there that Shepard has meet has been a rogue one, so to put the Spectres in a better light I suggested that Bioware should give us at least one other Spectre as a squadmate to show that not all Spectres are rogue agents. In addition to that I said we needed to have another Saren/Tela Villain for ME3. I never said anything about Shepard being kicked out although SoahFreako did explain what happened. However, if a human council is created due to the deaths of the Alien Council the spectres don't mean anything anymore and are as good as non-existent.

Sorry, brain dead when I put in my post. Too much maths and chemistry homework!
Actually I am a Scot from Glasgow, so Scots English is my native tongue. I was commenting on the first quote here, by GuardianAngel, about how if there is a Human Council the Specters have been disbanded, and there are no Specters now. Obviously nothing is further from the truth when you get offered your Specter status back from Anderson and you let the Council die in ME1! And the council is just Human dominated, not totally Human as far as I remember from the game. As to how useful they are, well my play through of LotSB still had that female Specter in it, doing the same in both the saved game with the human led council and the one where I saved the counsil. No obvious difference in the status of existing Specters, so no reason for you to assume they are now "as good as non-existant."

As for the whole being reinstated as alive not dead business, Bailey does it with the hitting of one or two buttons the first time you visit the Citadel, so I doubt you have been officially listed as no longer a Specter.  Unless, of course, this is just BW making it easy for you as the player......

Modifié par Zan51, 04 novembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[Soahfreako]

Zan51 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

The spectres are disbanded if it is an all human council. There wouldn't be any spectres.

And as for the first part of your comment, we are basically saying the same thing. Though, if you are Paragon and destroyed the base, the Council have even more reason to think you've gone rogue as you have the Rachni, Geth, and Krogans under your command. 

"Holy Parallels Batman!"

Soahfreako
Well, I think it's safe to assume english isn't your first language. If it is then..uh, no offence. I never said that Shepard was disbarred from the spectres I said that every other spectre out there that Shepard has meet has been a rogue one, so to put the Spectres in a better light I suggested that Bioware should give us at least one other Spectre as a squadmate to show that not all Spectres are rogue agents. In addition to that I said we needed to have another Saren/Tela Villain for ME3. I never said anything about Shepard being kicked out although SoahFreako did explain what happened. However, if a human council is created due to the deaths of the Alien Council the spectres don't mean anything anymore and are as good as non-existent.

Sorry, brain dead when I put in my post. Too much maths and chemistry homework!
Actually I am a Scot from Glasgow, so Scots English is my native tongue. I was commenting on the first quote here, by GuardianAngel, about how if there is a Human Council the Specters have been disbanded, and there are no Specters now. Obviously nothing is further from the truth when you get offered your Specter status back from Anderson and you let the Council die in ME1! And the council is just Human dominated, not totally Human as far as I remember from the game. As to how useful they are, well my play through of LotSB still had that female Specter in it, doing the same in both the saved game with the human led council and the one where I saved the counsil. No obvious difference in the status of existing Specters, so no reason for you to assume they are now "as good as non-existant."

As for the whole being reinstated as alive not dead business, Bailey does it with the hitting of one or two buttons the first time you visit the Citadel, so I doubt you have been officially listed as no longer a Specter.  Unless, of course, this is just BW making it easy for you as the player......

You have redeemed yourself sir or madam.

[The Enforcer OS]

Re: OP I think having a Spectre in the squad would be fantastic instead of having a regular / parallel military officer (ie Ash, Kaiden, Jacob, Miranda) It would imply that Shepard is influential enough to gain the respect & aid of another spectre.

[Stazro]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

Re: OP I think having a Spectre in the squad would be fantastic instead of having a regular / parallel military officer (ie Ash, Kaiden, Jacob, Miranda) It would imply that Shepard is influential enough to gain the respect & aid of another spectre.

If we get a spectre on the squad I think there should be some consequences if we don't take him/her with us on enough missions. A spectre isn't someone who just stays behind to leave the frontline to some space cowboy, who happens to have a skillset that fits better with shepard's.

[Soahfreako]

Stazro wrote...

The Enforcer OS wrote...

Re: OP I think having a Spectre in the squad would be fantastic instead of having a regular / parallel military officer (ie Ash, Kaiden, Jacob, Miranda) It would imply that Shepard is influential enough to gain the respect & aid of another spectre.

If we get a spectre on the squad I think there should be some consequences if we don't take him/her with us on enough missions. A spectre isn't someone who just stays behind to leave the frontline to some space cowboy, who happens to have a skillset that fits better with shepard's.

^Both of these guys knows what's up.

[Dean_the_Young]

I fully expect a Spectre squadmate to be possible in ME 3.



I also fully expect Ash/Kaiden to have been promoted to Spectre.



I also also fully expect Ash/Kaiden to be possibly back on your team again.



Hm... how to make all those come true...

[Sajuro]

The only spectre I'd want on my team died on Illium, long live Vasir

[Soahfreako]

Nihlus for ME3! D:

[Computer_God91]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I also fully expect Ash/Kaiden to have been promoted to Spectre.

I don't know why people say this so often, there is no reason to promote Ash/Kaidan to a Spectre. Why is this fully expected from you?

[Soahfreako]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I also fully expect Ash/Kaiden to have been promoted to Spectre.

I don't know why people say this so often, there is no reason to promote Ash/Kaidan to a Spectre. Why is this fully expected from you?

Because they think taking -HELPING- take down Saren qualifies them for the job. This shouldn't be considered a promotion though since it's completely a different military. :/

[AdmiralCheez]

I don't think we should have a Spectre as a full-fledged squadmate, since being dragged around on the Normandy and taking orders from someone else just isn't their style. However, I DO want to see one as a TEMPORARY squadmate (think Liara in LotSB), who agrees to work with you as an equal on one or two missions.



Regardless of whether or not you have one on your team, I hope they play a bigger role this time around and stop dropping like flies every time Shep walks onto the scene.



Salarain Spectre FTW. Also, female turian FTW but doesn't necessarily have to be a Spectre. And Garrus as a Spectre would be badass. Virmire survivor? They're for the Alliance, not the Council, and I can't see either one taking on that role.

[Sajuro]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I fully expect a Spectre squadmate to be possible in ME 3.

I also fully expect Ash/Kaiden to have been promoted to Spectre.

I also also fully expect Ash/Kaiden to be possibly back on your team again.

Hm... how to make all those come true...

Better to just Lazerus  Tela and Nihlus.

[Soahfreako]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I don't think we should have a Spectre as a full-fledged squadmate, since being dragged around on the Normandy and taking orders from someone else just isn't their style. However, I DO want to see one as a TEMPORARY squadmate (think Liara in LotSB), who agrees to work with you as an equal on one or two missions.

Regardless of whether or not you have one on your team, I hope they play a bigger role this time around and stop dropping like flies every time Shep walks onto the scene.

Salarain Spectre FTW. Also, female turian FTW but doesn't necessarily have to be a Spectre. And Garrus as a Spectre would be badass. Virmire survivor? They're for the Alliance, not the Council, and I can't see either one taking on that role.

I doubt they'd care about taking orders if they knew they would die if they didn't.

[AdmiralCheez]

Well, Soah, there's a difference between being a lackey and being an ally. Besides, they may be able to do more good operating far away from you, since you can't be in two places at once.

[Crimmsonwind]

Zan51 wrote...

You were never un-instated as a Specter. You just get the chance to have Anderson say you can be reactivated.And if the council dies, it is replaced by a Human dominated one, and Specters aren't disbanded. No idea how the OP thinks that...

Your Spectre status was abandoned when you died. If you play LotSB, and you haven't had the council reinstate your Spectre status, Vasir will comment that it's a shame you weren't reinstated. Alternately, if you do have your status reinstated, she will comment that she's glad to hear that. You have to remember that until you visit the Citadel for the first time in ME2, you're still listed in their systems as dead until Bailey "takes care of it."

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 07 novembre 2010 - 08:26 .

[Crimmsonwind]

While I would like to see the Spectres have a more active role, especially considering that you ARE a Spectre (or in some cases, were a Spectre, depending on whether you spoke to the council or not), I don't think it would make a lot of sense for a Spectre to actually be in your squad. Like it's been said, Spectres are much more effective on their own, or in a small group at the most. Their talents would most likely be much better suited toward doing other things, in places where you aren't.



However, I think we'll have to see what direction the game goes in: whether you're still considered in league with Cerberus, whether the council is once again comfortable with having you in Citadel space, Shepard's ties with the Alliance, etc. because these could very well tie into whether or not a Spectre would even consider helping you, let alone dropping everything and tying themselves to your squad rather than doing recon or infiltration or whatever.

[gethslayer7]

i lke the idea of garrus becoming one so i can actually trust another spectre