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[Saibh]

chex mix wrote...

i just want her hair to be actually red, thats my only complaint about her.

Actually, I way prefer orange. Red hair that looks like a fire engine isn't that common (I don't want to say it's unnatural, but I've never met anyone with red hair). Orange hair, however, is rarely used for characters, even though orange hair is really what people talk about when they say "redhead". Red hair ususally looks like dye to me--like on Jane Shepard.

[Randomname1212]

Lyssistr wrote...

 To give an example of what I'm trying to say, while Blizzard made WoW more accessible so that casuals won't be solely going through Stratholme in vanilla or Kara in Tbc, which was a reasonable move, they made hard modes for their core fans. 

 Scripting a few extra mob abilities for hardmode and a proper top-down view is essentially what most people ask for, and it would make a huge difference, at least from my point of view.

Agree!

[slimgrin]

Brockololly wrote...

Instead of adopting the ME style as inspiration, I was thinking DA2 would take more cues from BG2 or just evolve in a way that makes DA feel unique and not simply borrow from BioWare's other franchise.

Every dev borrows from themselves, Bioware is no exception. I see the same basic pattern in their games. They're all good, but they have the same structure. If anything, I'd like to see new story ideas, a different approach to environments and exploration, and fewer companions.

I can live with any art style really, most of the visual changes I like. It's the gameplay elements that need refreshing if anything.

[crimzontearz]

Lyssistr wrote...

 To give an example of what I'm trying to say, while Blizzard made WoW more accessible so that casuals won't be solely going through Stratholme in vanilla or Kara in Tbc, which was a reasonable move, they made hard modes for their core fans. 

 Scripting a few extra mob abilities for hardmode and a proper top-down view is essentially what most people ask for, and it would make a huge difference, at least from my point of view.

I honestly think that half the issues with handling the console version properly (which may be the reason for some of the recent changes) could be solved by giving better AI to the party......I noticed party/squad AI is a big downfall in ME and DA 

[upsettingshorts]

Why do people cling to the isometric view like it was actually good? It was a way to make sprites look 3D.

There are other ways to do a tactical camera that actually reflect the fact that you're playing a true 3D game, like the Total War camera.

[Lyssistr]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Why do people cling to the isometric view like it was actually good? It was a way to make sprites look 3D.
There are other ways to do a tactical camera that actually reflect the fact that you're playing a true 3D game, like the Total War camera.

 If it is good or not is a matter of taste, you may not like it but this doesn't mean it's not good. I like it, I even played many WoW raids from a top down perspective, it's the camera perspective I like most and I only change it when it is bad for practical purposes.

I'm pretty happy Diablo III is sticking to its guns in that aspect.

[slimgrin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Why do people cling to the isometric view like it was actually good? It was a way to make sprites look 3D.
There are other ways to do a tactical camera that actually reflect the fact that you're playing a true 3D game, like the Total War camera.

It's easier to asses the battlefield and give commands, quicker too. Also, the area of effect spells have an annoying tendency to 'skip' when in over the shoulder camera, dives me friggin nuts. 

Iso view has alway been best for tactical gameplay and not just in rpg's. Personally, I'll miss it.

[crimzontearz]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Why do people cling to the isometric view like it was actually good? It was a way to make sprites look 3D.
There are other ways to do a tactical camera that actually reflect the fact that you're playing a true 3D game, like the Total War camera.

was the tactical camera on the pc version of DAO actually..you know.....fixed? you could not rotate at all?

[upsettingshorts]

Lyssistr wrote...

If it is good or not is a matter of taste, you may not like it but this doesn't mean it's not good. I like it, I even played many WoW raids from a top down perspective, it's the camera perspective I like most and I only change it when it is bad for practical purposes.

I'm pretty happy Diablo III is sticking to its guns in that aspect.

But to say that moving to a free external camera is not an evolution is nonsense.  The isometric view is a dinosaur of the sprite era.  A free camera does not remove any situational awareness nor does it restrict the player in any way.

The sooner they get rid of it the better.  There are better options.  There's nothing you can't see with something like this:

crimzontearz wrote...

was the tactical camera on the pc version of DAO actually..you know.....fixed? you could not rotate at all?

Of course not. But the gist I get from so many people on the forums is that they honestly view Baldur's Gate II's camera as some kind of ideal. It's a position completely alien to me.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 31 octobre 2010 - 07:37 .

[slimgrin]

Lyssistr wrote...

I'm pretty happy Diablo III is sticking to its guns in that aspect.

Huge props to Blizzard for staying with the iso view in D3. So few devs nowadays would do this.  I love isomenrtic view and its rare to see anymore.

[Lyssistr]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

If it is good or not is a matter of taste, you may not like it but this doesn't mean it's not good. I like it, I even played many WoW raids from a top down perspective, it's the camera perspective I like most and I only change it when it is bad for practical purposes.

I'm pretty happy Diablo III is sticking to its guns in that aspect.

But to say that moving to a free external camera is not an evolution is nonsense.  The isometric view is a dinosaur of the sprite era.  A free camera does not remove any situational awareness nor does it restrict the player in any way.

The sooner they get rid of it the better.  There are better options.  There's nothing you can't see with something like this:

DA2's camera won't be that free, it won't go as far up

[Lyssistr]

slimgrin wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

I'm pretty happy Diablo III is sticking to its guns in that aspect.

Huge props to Blizzard for staying with the iso view in D3. So few devs nowadays would do this.  I love isomenrtic view and its rare to see anymore.

I was pretty happy Blizzard did this, Torchlight was spot on regarding iso view as well.

[upsettingshorts]

Lyssistr wrote...
DA2's camera won't be that free, it won't go as far up

Don't think it needs to as it isn't played on the same scale.  There's no need to see the battlefield situation across say, an entire mile.  But it is a totally free camera.  When people say they want an isometric camera, they're calling for a rather specific kind of fixed perspective, are they not?  

Hence all the Diablo III citations.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 31 octobre 2010 - 07:41 .

[Saibh]

Lyssistr wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

If it is good or not is a matter of taste, you may not like it but this doesn't mean it's not good. I like it, I even played many WoW raids from a top down perspective, it's the camera perspective I like most and I only change it when it is bad for practical purposes.

I'm pretty happy Diablo III is sticking to its guns in that aspect.

But to say that moving to a free external camera is not an evolution is nonsense.  The isometric view is a dinosaur of the sprite era.  A free camera does not remove any situational awareness nor does it restrict the player in any way.

The sooner they get rid of it the better.  There are better options.  There's nothing you can't see with something like this:

DA2's camera won't be that free, it won't go as far up

I believe they said it won't go as high up but it also won't be attached to the current party member selected, either, and can move over the battlefield at will. Of course, they're still tweaking it.

[Lyssistr]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
DA2's camera won't be that free, it won't go as far up

Don't think it needs to as it isn't played on the same scale.  There's no need to see the battlefield situation across say, an entire mile.  But it is a totally free camera.  When people say they want an isometric camera, they're calling for a rather specific kind of fixed perspective, are they not?  

The thing is, I like playing on that scale and it was fine in DA:O.

If you go way up, it makes little difference if is it is entirely fixed or not, because even big ground movements correspond to relative small angle changes, when the camera is set at height. So fixed or not makes little difference imo, when you can zoom out allot.

Modifié par Lyssistr, 31 octobre 2010 - 07:46 .

[Bruddajakka]

I didn't really use it but it was nice to have in certain situations. But the only real use I had for it was in regards to some AOE mage spells. Otherwise I tended to play with the camera zoomed in.

[Lyssistr]

Saibh wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

If it is good or not is a matter of taste, you may not like it but this doesn't mean it's not good. I like it, I even played many WoW raids from a top down perspective, it's the camera perspective I like most and I only change it when it is bad for practical purposes.

I'm pretty happy Diablo III is sticking to its guns in that aspect.

But to say that moving to a free external camera is not an evolution is nonsense.  The isometric view is a dinosaur of the sprite era.  A free camera does not remove any situational awareness nor does it restrict the player in any way.

The sooner they get rid of it the better.  There are better options.  There's nothing you can't see with something like this:

DA2's camera won't be that free, it won't go as far up

I believe they said it won't go as high up but it also won't be attached to the current party member selected, either, and can move over the battlefield at will. Of course, they're still tweaking it.

 They said they'll have something that resembles it, it won't be as flexible and we're yet to see samples. If it were to be a nearly identical solution for practical purposes and affected only their coding, I don't think they'd go out and mention it as it wouldn't affect anybody.

 What I'm trying to say is that I don't believe it's going to be equivalent to DA:O's top down view.

[slimgrin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
DA2's camera won't be that free, it won't go as far up

Don't think it needs to as it isn't played on the same scale.  There's no need to see the battlefield situation across say, an entire mile.  But it is a totally free camera.  When people say they want an isometric camera, they're calling for a rather specific kind of fixed perspective, are they not?  

They are asking to see the entire field of battle at once. Think of it as playing on a game board. Everything is visible and so executing commands goes quicker. It's not a dinosaur either, ever play Star Craft? 

what was nice in Origins is you can scroll up or down to get the distance you want. Few games offer this. It was just another awesome tool for pc gamers and I have great respect for Bioware for including such an option in DA.

Now we don't get that option. 

[upsettingshorts]

In that case I can understand wanting to zoom out. Reading all the references to an isometric camera had me thinking people genuinely wanted a return to Baldur's Gate II.

[skuid]

loosing control of this post:crying:

[Saibh]

skuid wrote...

loosing control of this post:crying:

Thankfully threads are long over devolving into debates about Loghain. At least your question got answered, though.

Modifié par Saibh, 31 octobre 2010 - 07:48 .

[skuid]

Saibh wrote...

skuid wrote...

loosing control of this post:crying:

Thankfully threads are long over devolving into debates about Loghain. At least your question got answered, though.

Yes

[ErichHartmann]

What does a face morph have to do with camera angles and gameplay? (Rhetorical question) Oh and Leliana's Sacred Ashes design is great. If she ever makes a future appearance just go off that.....BioWare.

[upsettingshorts]

ErichHartmann wrote...

What does a face morph have to do with camera angles and gameplay? (Rhetorical question) Oh and Leliana's Sacred Ashes design is great. If she ever makes a future appearance just go off that.....BioWare.

I didn't actually bring it up, not originally - but I ought to have quoted the posts I was responding to.  But I got the explanation I was looking for, so I'm done with it.

In any case, the question the OP asked was answered by a Dev.  Successful thread is successful.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 31 octobre 2010 - 07:52 .

[KcK__]

I think it would be great if Leliana had at least cameo in DA II, what comes to the looks of her, I'd be happy whit the Origins look really. No need to change every character model How likely do you guys and gal's think Leliana's cameo is ?