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[Ferretinabun]

I'm planning a run-through as a 'bad' character (to get certain achievements, basically) - a blood mage who kisses a staggering amount of arse, but secretly would sell their own mother for a whiff of power. Totally amoral and probably with a massive insecurity complex (like most bullies).
The thing is, story-wise I'd quite like them to come unstuck. I'm thinking a female who seduces Alistair thinking she will be able to manipulate the future king, only to see her plans come crashing down when he dies killing the Archdemon. I'd also like her to have very few, if any, friends by the end, most of the companions having abandoned her one way or another.
I was just curious to hear other peoples' stories about playing 'bad/evil/****' wardens. Did they get their comeuppance? How did things work out for them? What choices did they make? Who did they get along with best/worst?

[Elhanan]

My Evil mage was male, and used max Coersion to gain the best rewards for himself. I have started another that will use Blood Magic when he sees how feared and effective it is at swaying people to his will.

I attempted to play an evil female, but she stayed good and single. She was my first AW that stayed to light armors and robes.

[Corker]

I had an m!Surana who was at first too weak and fearful to stand up for anything, and then so terrified of Sten's 'qunari invasion' comment that he went a little overboard in the blood magic department. He let Zathrian boss him around, saved the Anvil because Morrigan and Zevran said to, and spared Caladrius because he wanted a blood magic pen pal. He was my least favorite playthrough - I mean, he couldn't even be *really* evil or even viciously pragmatic. Just this pile of "woe woe angst, I have done bad things."

After he took his BM spec, he tended to only adventure with Zevran, Morrigan and Dog (since Sten, Alistair, Wynne and Leliana have *views* on blood magic). After ten minutes of being horrified at the idea, he used Dog as his regular Blood Sacrifice battery. Better an animal than a person, right? Right?

Morrigan left in a huff when he wouldn't have anything to do with Flemeth's plan; Alistair left the Landsmeet in a huff. Loghain redeemed himself, and the Hero of Ferelden settled down in Denerim with his assassin and his dog to advise the queen, rule Gwaren remotely, and train up as many blood mages as possible to fight the qunari. Because the Circle's been decimated, and there's just not enough lyrium to go around, right? Right?

I don't think he's had to Blood Control Anora yet. I think she'd be all right with the idea of building a Ferelden Navy.

I think he's definitely got what he deserves - a fairly miserable life lamenting his dead principles and looking over his shoulder for Chantry spies while searching the horizon for qunari ships with the other eye. He doesn't sleep well.

Modifié par Corker, 01 novembre 2010 - 10:59 .

[PoisonTheCity]

I did an 'evil' runthrough with an Amell. I think the mage background offers a lot of leeway to create characters, since their family history is up to you, and having so much power at your fingertips can do drastic things to a person - like Uldred or, inversely, that mage ('Keili', I think it was?) in the tower who believed she needed to repent, and that being a mage was a punishment.



My Amell was a bit sociopathic and entirely unreasonable, and her desire for violence and power backed her decisions to cull the Circle that she felt no connection to (only playthrough I've ever done without Wynne v.v), to corrupt the ashes (likewise with Leliana v.v) and slaughter the elves, because she just doesn't like elves. Same reason she spared Caladrius and let him do his blood magic with the city elves.



She did what you're thinking of doing, OP - romanced Alistair to be close to the crown. Besides him, the only party members who didn't loathe her were Morrigan and Sten.



I like to think she got her comeuppance a few years later, assassinated by someone or other who she'd ticked off, or an experimental magic jamming session with Avernus went wrong.



... Evil playthroughs leave me with a funny taste in my mouth. Even if they can be somewhat fun.

[Spidercat]

Actually I find myself playing a lot of more or less "evil" characters, mostly because the "good" companions irritate me (I can't stand neither Alistair nor Leliana, Wynne is okay though).

My first character was a blood mage, but it was frustrating that no one reacted to that. I think there is a mod on DA nexus that corrects that to some avail.

Strange how we can't help thinking in terms of good/evil when DA doesn't have alignments. My current character is definitely not good, hell she left Redcliffe village to its own devices, let Jowan do his ritual just because she was curious about it and she desecrated Andraste's ashes. Still, in standard NWN alignment system she would have ended good in DAA. She does a lot of "good" things, but only because she's the warden commander and is very commited to having the GW recognized once again as a well needed and appreciated organization. Being an alienage elf, she still has a heart for her people though, but the GW will always come first.

Modifié par Spidercat, 01 novembre 2010 - 11:30 .

[ejoslin]

There are very few truly evil decisions that you can make in the game. Aside from leaving demons running around the world, the most you can really do is be pragmatic.

[Lord_Anthonior]

It's easy being bad, and with the gifts and concersations with the "good" characters you can ease their whinning with "pretty baubles" and if you have the feastday gifts, is even easier.



As a male rogue you can threat, steal anyone, kill the injured soldier in the korcari wilds, kill the deserter in ostagar, kill swiftrunner and company after curing them to go all "anakin with the separatist" or side with the wolves to kill the elves, that's a good cut scene but with the problem of avoiding having unlimited elfroot for the health poultices.



Release Vaughn from his cell but getting the key to his chest for the money no bad deed should go unrewarded,release jowan or send him to be executed, sacrifice isolde or kill connor, forget about Valenna and let the blacksmith hang himself and acquire a good long bow.



Kill Caridin but convince Branka to destroy the anvil so both die or keep the anvil, free sten in lothering but leave Leliana there, kill wynne at the circle or at the andraste's altar.



The most important and fun of all, let alistair to be executed, kill loghain and let Anora keep the throne, is not so bad or evil but having the other grey warden to be executed and in a way betrayed is quite fun as a "bad character". Not forgetting of course to throw the dagger to the back of genitivi's head and to Sacrifice the captured enslaved elves to gain more power during the alienage's quest.



As another good part for the "bad character" romance Morrigan and have the child, even bad wardens need some good in their life and she can certainly be the best.



Well those are my ideas as a "bad" Warden, I have done some and some others don't depending on the playthroughs or just to watch them and then reload the game.

[mousestalker]

My only truly evil character was also my only male Cousland. He killed Conor. He chose Harrowmount because Harrowmount is more traditional and pliable. He killed the elves. He spared Loghain, spurned Morrigan and married Anora. Alistair was executed. He had romances with all three potential partners and slept with everyone he could.

I really dislike that character.

Almost all of my wardens roleplay being the 'naughty warden'. But that's probably TMI.

Modifié par mousestalker, 01 novembre 2010 - 12:11 .

[Corker]

Mousestalker's PC: ...very, very naughty and should be punished.

Alistair: Um... KP for a week, then?

Mousestalker's PC: ...

Alistair: I did it wrong, didn't I?

[Giggles_Manically]

Gather round little children and listen to the tale of the Evil Elf Everd, the most evil Bloodmage, Arcane Warrior, and Battle Mage to ever live.



He was a total psychopath, who cared for no one but himself, but made people like him, and was good at charming people.



To start he turned on Jowan because he detested the little worm, and expected a reward for doing so.

In Ostagar, he hated Duncan and Cailan, like a lot. When he became a Grey a Warden and found out about the price involved he then hated Alistair for hiding it from him.



In Lothering he robbed and killed everyone he could, did the chantry quests mostly to get a reward, he is petty like that. Recruited Leliana because he wanted to get in her pants, and recruited Sten to try and well get with Morrigan (I hated playing him)



Killed all the mages because he found them pathetic and because he despised Wynne for all the lectures over the years. On an aside he dosent give a crap about other mages or the Chantry, as long as he is free to do what he wants. Didnt use the Litany at all, and was happy to see Irving die, mainly because he didnt really help him as well as Everd wanted to in the Origin.



After that he interrogated Zevran, than killed him. Mainly because he ruined his morning and his pathetic attempt at an Assassination was laughable. His offer to work for him gave him pause, long enough to laugh before killing him.



Just to finish this quicker, he sided with the werewolves because the Dalish pissed him off, and well the Lady was smokin hot to him. So there goes that clan, and all their valuables because he went around looting them.

He kept the anvil, and when Shale died he said "whatever now I can have a thousand golems" (Shale is my fave charachter BTW and this really hurt losing her)



In Haven he spoiled the ashes, killing Leliana (not before bedding her) but then went and killed Kolgrim and the High Dragon, plus Genetivi (Alistair dissaproved).

He actually saved Redcliffe mostly because he was bored and wanted a good fight, plus he was still trying to impress Leliana. Though he went straight upstairs sucker punched Isolde and killed Conner, but he persuaded Alistair so no bigge.



He nuked Cauthrian and Company in Denerim, promised to help Anora, and sacrificed all the elves in a blood ritual.Now for the fun part.



At the Landsmeet he spared Loghain and let Alistair be executed, finally letting it out that he couldnt care less for him, and was just using him. When the DR rolled around he laughed at Morrigan, who probably still thought Everd loved her, and he told her to bugger off.



Then Loghain killed the Archdemon thinking that he was leaving Ferelden in the hands off a nice person, because Everd said nice things to him.

When the Coronation arrived he became the Chancellor, and in Awakening he continued his spree of evil. He let the Architect live though, mainly because he thought he was interesting and dosent really care that much, the architect may have attacked him, but hey if it means no more bad darkspawn, no one has to ask him to look for Golems, or ask him to go into the Deep Roads.

Then in Witch hunt he murder knifed Morrigan (the mother of his child) and went on his jolly way.



It hurt to play someone that evil, but I got all the achievements I had been missing.



It took along time to wash the evil off of me after that.

Easiest way to play someone evil though, is to just play them like a complete sociopath, who only cares for themselves.

[Elhanan]

My evil Warden made many or most of the same choices as the good ones. He was motivated more about personal gain and power than simply choosing the so-called Evil choices in the game. He was played as a deceiver. He ended the game with pats on the back from Wynne and Irving, as well as an established place of power next to the King.

However, I was able to go back to prior saves and explore those options to gain Achievements, and explore What If moments.

[Sabariel]

My Crazy Cousland pretty much killed anyone who looked in her general direction and had fun making everyone else miserable. I miss my Crazy Cousland. She was an interesting playthrough. The only companion she had to help fight the Archdemon was Alistair and she let him feed himself to it with no objections whatsoever

Modifié par Sabariel, 02 novembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Lord_Anthonior]

Sabariel wrote...
 The only companion she had to help fight the Archdemon was Alistair and she let him feed himself to it with no objections whatsoever

Now that's evil, crazy and cruel!!! poor archdemon, the indigestion!! though if the archdemon drinks corrupted darkspawn blood then it wouldn't be so surprising that it eats all kinds of crap...just by mercy alone better to slay the archdemon than let it fly away to later relief itself of alistair and that irony and rotten luck would demand that it'll land over Shale. Ending the Blight is more like an added bonus for Killing the archdemon out of mercy.

Good evil playthrough though!!

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 03 novembre 2010 - 11:42 .

[Lord_Anthonior]

Elhanan wrote...

My evil Warden made many or most of the
same choices as the good ones. He was motivated more about personal gain
and power than simply choosing the so-called Evil choices in the game.
He was played as a deceiver. He ended the game with pats on the back
from Wynne and Irving, as well as an established place of power next to
the King.
However, I was able to go back to prior saves and explore
those options to gain Achievements, and explore What If moments.

So in a way it was a grey warden with a skill for the dark side of the force as a deceiver and pulling the strings. I'm going to consider play a warden as manipulator, evil but with approvals from everybody. Grey Warden Palpatine hahaha:ph34r:

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 03 novembre 2010 - 11:47 .

[Norskatt]

I did a playthrough like that. I left Sten to rot in the cage, killed Conner, I killed Wynn at the tower & I slaughtered all of the Dalish Elves. I also defiled the Ashes and I refused Morrigan. The only thing I couldn't do was allow Loghain to live. I can never give up Alistair over him.

Modifié par Norskatt, 03 novembre 2010 - 01:30 .

[Giggles_Manically]

It feels more satisfying to be evil in Dragon Age than in ME.

Shepard comes off like a bad cop, but one who is still getting the job done.

The Warden can come off as a complete monster in so many ways.



Although the only evil thing I have never done is leave Shianni behind in the City Elf origin.

After hearing this:





It made me want to do this:





A few dozen more times.

Vaughan is dead, in all my city elf runs, I think even Everd would kill him for that.

[Xilizhra]

My current Warden... may not be evil, exactly, but is certainly ruthless. Her goal is a combination of elven nationalism and mage emancipation, and woe betide anyone who gets in the way of that. She did save Redcliffe, because she's not wholly heartless, but also killed Isolde; she badly wanted to see blood magic in action, and then took the chance to learn it from the desire demon. Saving the Circle was a no-brainer, but she wanted an option to kill off the templars as well. With the elves, she sided with Zathrian and killed the werewolves because she wanted his magical knowledge and support for her revolution; the dwarves, she sided with Bhelen and kept the Anvil because both would make them stronger, and as she's setting up another Circle under there with Dagna...

[ugabug]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

It feels more satisfying to be evil in Dragon Age than in ME.
Shepard comes off like a bad cop, but one who is still getting the job done.
The Warden can come off as a complete monster in so many ways.

Although the only evil thing I have never done is leave Shianni behind in the City Elf origin.
After hearing this:


It made me want to do this:


A few dozen more times.
Vaughan is dead, in all my city elf runs, I think even Everd would kill him for that.

I left Shianni once to see what happens but had to reload afterward and have never done it again. How does Shianni and the rest of the Alienage act when you come back if you did leave them anyone know?

[Persephone]

Norskatt wrote...

I did a playthrough like that. I left Sten to rot in the cage, killed Conner, I killed Wynn at the tower & I slaughtered all of the Dalish Elves. I also defiled the Ashes and I refused Morrigan. The only thing I couldn't do was allow Loghain to live. I can never give up Alistair over him.

Hah. Easily.

[Giggles_Manically]

@Ugabug

You are pretty much disowned by your father, and a few other people HATE you.

Shianni gives you another chance to help which is quite good of her, but she has some extra nasty lines if you use the blood ritual.

[ugabug]

Thanks! Surprise Shianni doesn't hate you.