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#251
Maria Caliban

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leonia42 wrote...

It's not wrong it's just.. it feels like meta-gaming. I don't know. Maybe my post didn't make much sense *goes for a coffee*


I understood your post. I think it's a matter of personal views however, as it's something I've seen many players do.

For example, in several of the PnP games I've played in, the setting accepted slavery as legitimate and moral. The PCs, however, all oppsed it. Likewise, before Dragon Age came out, there were several discussions about how the setting ought to treat same-sex attraction and women. While many argued for historical realism, many also said that they wanted to see equality. I think many players would be uncomfortable expressing bigotry against real world minorities no matter how much it fits the setting.

Religion is another hot button issue. The Chantry is huge, powerful, and does go on Exalted Marches against other religions. For some players, setting appropriate or not, such an originization is one their PCs will always want to destroy.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's not wrong it's just.. it feels like meta-gaming. I don't know. Maybe my post didn't make much sense *goes for a coffee*


I understood your post. I think it's a matter of personal views however, as it's something I've seen many players do.

For example, in several of the PnP games I've played in, the setting accepted slavery as legitimate and moral. The PCs, however, all oppsed it. Likewise, before Dragon Age came out, there were several discussions about how the setting ought to treat same-sex attraction and women. While many argued for historical realism, many also said that they wanted to see equality. I think many players would be uncomfortable expressing bigotry against real world minorities no matter how much it fits the setting.

Religion is another hot button issue. The Chantry is huge, powerful, and does go on Exalted Marches against other religions. For some players, setting appropriate or not, such an originization is one their PCs will always want to destroy.


Righto, I wish I could say "Well, when I RP I try to look at the world from the point-of-view of someone who grew up in that world" but you're right, it's really hard to set aside our worldly views and adopt fictional stances that are polar opposites to how we'd normally treat people or ideas. Maybe if I was a better RPer I could pretend to be a bigot but I wouldn't get any joy out of it so why would I bother?

I suppose it depends on how things are presented to the character in question. If all they see is a bunch of templars hating on mages and Dalish, they're not ever going to like the Chantry.

And in that regard, Origins makes it very hard to be pro-Chantry because almost everyone describes them as oppressive and intrusive. While you have some characters like Leliana and Wynne that try to be good little Andrastians, you still get the impression that there is something wrong about the Chantry.

Now whether that motivates every player into wanting to destroy the Chantry, I don't know. There's lots of room for the player to interpret the lore, and I'm sure that's what the writers want us to do. We're all not going to see it the same way.

I think I was a bit dumbfounded by the poster I was originally responding to and his anti-religion-even-if-it's-fictional stance but I can see why one could feel that way if I actually sit back for a moment. It's not how I think, but everyone is different after all.

#253
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In my story, I suppose, it will unfold like this:

Apostate Hawke: "Phew, I'm pretty sure that now after all I've done so far those Chantry ***heads are pretty much screwed. I'll just relax and wait here. And Varric? If you ever consider giving away my HQ coordinates to Chantry keep in mind that the moment you tell them where to find me the explosive spell I've casted on your nipples will activate."

Varric: "And if I'll lie about your current whereabouts and direct them to that undead dragon's lair?"

Apostate Hawke: "Feel free to do so. And if they'll have a scribe or something recording your answers - do me a favor and mention that I have huge breasts, blazing eyes and made dozens of ogres explode with a single thought."

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One good thing about the chantry which is probably due to Andraste being a woman is that they are not blatantly anti female as the catholic church was in the middle ages, can't really say that woman is the root of all evil when your prophet is one. This also might be why the fairer sex have a more even footing in the society of Thedas and obviously is the reason for female divines etcetara, so before we go about destroying it we might want to look into what could be.

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I would like to rephrase what I meant. I don't like nor trust the chantry, but I am glad that it exists for the fact that it expands upon the lore and makes Thedas a deeper place. However I do hope that we get the option to cause it to crumble down, as it would be interesting to see what would happen and who would fill the vaccum of power if it was destroyed.

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blothulfur wrote...

One good thing about the chantry which is probably due to Andraste being a woman is that they are not blatantly anti female as the catholic church was in the middle ages, can't really say that woman is the root of all evil when your prophet is one. This also might be why the fairer sex have a more even footing in the society of Thedas and obviously is the reason for female divines etcetara, so before we go about destroying it we might want to look into what could be.


In return they are sexist against the men, as a man cannot hold a position in the Chantry

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Isn't that a good thing, if you're a priest you can't have tiffin and that would drive any man mad thus causing unpleasantness like the crusades and the inquisition.

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blothulfur wrote...

Isn't that a good thing, if you're a priest you can't have tiffin and that would drive any man mad thus causing unpleasantness like the crusades and the inquisition.


Tiffin?

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Crumpet, rumpy pumpy, beast with two backs, horizontal hokey cokey or sex.

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blothulfur wrote...

Crumpet, rumpy pumpy, beast with two backs, horizontal hokey cokey or sex.


Thank you for adding to my vocabulary, though I don't think the Chantry has any rules on celibacy & the only reason the Catholic Church has it is because priests used to will church land to their sons.

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Aermas wrote...

In return they are sexist against the men, as a man cannot hold a position in the Chantry


Men can't be priests but they can be brothers. They can also be Templars, which are considered part of the Chantry.

Aermas wrote...

Thank you for adding to my vocabulary, though I don't think the Chantry has any rules on celibacy & the only reason the Catholic Church has it is because priests used to will church land to their sons.


Priests are 'married to the Maker' and aren't supposed to take lovers.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Aermas wrote...

In return they are sexist against the men, as a man cannot hold a position in the Chantry


Men can't be priests but they can be brothers. They can also be Templars, which are considered part of the Chantry.

Aermas wrote...

Thank you for adding to my vocabulary, though I don't think the Chantry has any rules on celibacy & the only reason the Catholic Church has it is because priests used to will church land to their sons.


Priests are 'married to the Maker' and aren't supposed to take lovers.


These are not leadership positions sorry for not being clear. Also the reference to priest not marring was to display a reason for Catholic priest not to marry & to be celibate, not necessarily give examples to why the Chantry clergy should not marry.

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Maria Caliban wrote...
Priests are 'married to the Maker' and aren't supposed to take lovers.

 Really, where was this confirmed? I'm not saying your wrong I just recall a converation with David Gaider where he said they weren't celibate, and I couldn't find anything on the wiki about it. I could be remembering wrong though.