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[Collider]

Depends on what the alternative is.

The Chantry isn't really all that bad compared to some of the religious groups in our human history (of which I shall not name). At least men and women are treated equally for the most part. No homophobia either besides not recognizing same sex marriage.

I'm willing to "side" with the Chantry if the alternative is bad enough.

[Brockololly]

errant_knight wrote...
At least they didn't kill off the warden and the companions to get them out of the way. The possibility exist to return to them. I'm not that worried about roleplaying Hawke. Really, we aren't. We're playing Varric and Cassandra roleplaying Hawke. So a little distance is more acceptable than in most roleplaying scenarios. I'm expecting that the framed narrative might also make the voiced protagonist less game stopping than I would normally find it. It's not first person at all, really. I don't think I know the words for what that is. Is it even third person? Or something else entirely? No idea....

True enough, but then again, I have the fear that the Warden will end up getting the Viconia treatment.

Yeah, its just disappointing to see DA2 go the more distant 3rd person (?) perspective with the role playing aspects. Cause as soon as you toss in the paraphrases and VO its not really 1st person anymore and that really sort of limits my ability to get anywhere near as invested in the game, as a 1st person narrative like Origins. Oh well...

[Merlin326]

Collider wrote...
The Chantry isn't really all that bad compared to some of the religious groups in our human history

One does not realize how true this is until they take a college level world history class...

anyways, i will inevitably do both/all of the above on subsequent playthroughs, but my 'cannon' playthrough (if such a thing existed) would not be determined until the context of the decsision was determined.

All the same I'll probably end up destroying the chantry.

[Morroian]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

...and apparently Hawke is the only one capable of helping the Chantry put it back together.

The question is: Will you?

No

[slumlord722]

I don't get where people are getting this whole "chantry is so corrupt and evil" vibe. From what I saw in DA:O, the vast majority of the chantry are good people.

[KendallX23]

slumlord722 wrote...

I don't get where people are getting this whole "chantry is so corrupt and evil" vibe. From what I saw in DA:O, the vast majority of the chantry are good people.

       sure..they are good people...until u disagree with them...ask the elves

[Rattleface]

Yes



And I'll kill Hawke's annoying apostate sister too. With my dialogue knife.

[slimgrin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Personally, I'd embrace an RPG that didn't have the goal of restoring the status quo. It'd be a nice change.

This plus this, multiplied by this, times this.

I thought they were going to avoid the 'hero saving the world from an all pervasive evil' theme anyway in DA2. I don't want to save the damn world, must have done it a hundred times already. 

[Rattleface]

KendallX23 wrote...

slumlord722 wrote...

I don't get where people are getting this whole "chantry is so corrupt and evil" vibe. From what I saw in DA:O, the vast majority of the chantry are good people.

       sure..they are good people...until u disagree with them...ask the elves

Yeah, but who cares about elves.  The Chantry did the right thing by bringing those immortal bastards down a peg.

If they didn't, the world would be run by mages and immortal elves while non-mages and non-elves were mundane and useless.  Which would be lame.

[Riona45]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Personally, I'd embrace an RPG that didn't have the goal of restoring the status quo. It'd be a nice change.

I embrace the idea of forming my own status quo.  

I pretty much agree with both of these statements, actually.

With regards to discussion on the "fighting the Chantry"--I'm going to hold off on making assumptions about that, for now.

[KendallX23]

if Hawke can bring the Chantry down...why would Cassandra want to speak with him/her....she dosen't seem like she wants to arrest him/her or kill him/her....and we know how the Chantry reacts to people who do not believe in them

[Merlin326]

Rattleface wrote...
Yeah, but who cares about elves.  The Chantry did the right thing by bringing those immortal bastards down a peg.

If they didn't, the world would be run by mages and immortal elves while non-mages and non-elves were mundane and useless.  Which would be lame.

enslaving an entire race and destroying their homeland (that Andraste herself gave to them) esentially because they didnt follow the Chantry's religion is never "doing the right thing."

I'm not saying the Chantry is irrdeemable, but it certainly needs to be knocked down a peg or 2 (or 300)

[Harid]

Love how people are trolling the Chantry when like, with the exception of I'd say less than 4 apostates, every apostate is a borderline sociopath in the DA:O universe.

Merlin326 wrote...

Rattleface wrote...
Yeah, but who cares about elves.  The Chantry did the right thing by bringing those immortal bastards down a peg.

If
they didn't, the world would be run by mages and immortal elves while
non-mages and non-elves were mundane and useless.  Which would be lame.

enslaving
an entire race and destroying their homeland (that Andraste herself
gave to them) esentially because they didnt follow the Chantry's
religion is never "doing the right thing."

I'm not saying the Chantry is irrdeemable, but it certainly needs to be knocked down a peg or 2 (or 300)

While the Chantry did crush the Elves' second homeland, the Dales, via an Exaulted March, they arguably deserved it for being isolationalists while the world was undergoing a Blight.  The Tevinters were the slavers, and they have a different Chantry to the one we've been exposed to.

Modifié par Harid, 03 novembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[KendallX23]

Harid wrote...

Love how people are trolling the Chantry when like, with the exception of I'd say less than 4 apostates, every apostate is a borderline sociopath in the DA:O universe.

      dunno about others but for me is not about apostates...most of them are evil...there are other issues far more important then this that makes the Chantry look like bad guys

[upsettingshorts]

The Chantry don't strike me as good or bad guys. They're ideologues. Sometimes they're on the right side of an issue, sometimes they're not. But don't expect them to change.

[Harid]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The Chantry don't strike me as good or bad guys. They're ideologues. Sometimes they're on the right side of an issue, sometimes they're not. But don't expect them to change.

This is pretty fair, and I find myself agreeing with it.

[Merlin326]

Harid wrote...
While the Chantry did crush the Elves' second homeland, the Dales, via an Exaulted March, they arguably deserved it for being isolationalists while the world was undergoing a Blight.  The Tevinters were the slavers, and they have a different Chantry to the one we've been exposed to.

and now they are second-class citizens at best (in Fereldon at least). And under the circumstances (elves lost their immortality because of humans, as well as a large part of their culture and being enslaved for a good deal of time) I can understand if they would rather have not had anything to do with humans for a while. I'm not saying it was the smart thing to do during a Blight, but I can understand the reasoning behind it.

And I feel that the Chantry would find some reason to declare an Exalted March on the elves at one point or another anyway.

Personally, i have no desire to see yet another thread turn into a Chantry flame war (I beleive we have threads still dedicated to that), so I'll leave it off there.

[Rattleface]

I still don't see what's wrong with them pacifying the Dalish. Those elves weren't really doing anyone any favors.

And even after, they still don't. All they did in Origins was complain and scavenge for their lost culture.

[Riona45]

Harid wrote...

Love how people are trolling the Chantry when like, with the exception of I'd say less than 4 apostates, every apostate is a borderline sociopath in the DA:O universe.

You must be joking.

[Rattleface]

Most of the apostates were either abolitionists, blood mages, or crazy.

Goes to show--again--that the Chantry's in the right from not giving them much freedom. All they do when they have it is make zombie armies.

[Harid]

Morrigan: Sociopath
Connor:  Pretty much killed his standing troops and made them an undead army
Flemeth: Sociopath and master manipulator
Jowan: Colossal screw up artist
Uldred: Pride Demon that turns most of the tower into abominations cause they didn't agree with him
Zathrian:Bitter old man that is punishing people not responsible for a crime
Anders: Cool
Sketch: Didn't buy Leliana's Song
Velanna: Murderer that didn't check her facts
The Baroness : Pride Demon that used a villages children to stay young
Aneirin: Cool

Yeah, most apostate mages have a pretty bad track record, of the ones we have seen.

Modifié par Harid, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:03 .

[slumlord722]

Riona45 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Love how people are trolling the Chantry when like, with the exception of I'd say less than 4 apostates, every apostate is a borderline sociopath in the DA:O universe.

You must be joking.

I don't think he is, really. Think about how many bush mages, apostates, and gang/bandit wizards attacked you during the game. LOTS. Compare that to what, Anders?

Most seem to be serious bad news, and people want to get rid of the Chantry and have even more of them.

[Rattleface]

Harid wrote...

Morrigan: Sociopath
Connor:  Pretty much killed his standing troops and made them an undead army
Flemeth: Sociopath and master manipulator
Jowan: Colossal screw up artist
Uldred: Pride Demon that is turning the whole tower into abominations cause they didn't agree with him
Zathrian:Bitter old man that is punishing people not responsible for a crime
Anders: Cool
Sketch: Didn't buy Leliana's Song
Velanna: Murderer that didn't check her facts
The Baroness : Pride Demon that used a villages children to stay young
Aneirin: Cool

Yeah, most apostate mages have a pretty bad track record, of the ones we have seen.

Anders was cool?

[Harid]

Rattleface wrote...

Harid wrote...

Morrigan: Sociopath
Connor:  Pretty much killed his standing troops and made them an undead army
Flemeth: Sociopath and master manipulator
Jowan: Colossal screw up artist
Uldred: Pride Demon that is turning the whole tower into abominations cause they didn't agree with him
Zathrian:Bitter old man that is punishing people not responsible for a crime
Anders: Cool
Sketch: Didn't buy Leliana's Song
Velanna: Murderer that didn't check her facts
The Baroness : Pride Demon that used a villages children to stay young
Aneirin: Cool

Yeah, most apostate mages have a pretty bad track record, of the ones we have seen.

Anders was cool?

He hated Oghren as much as I did, so, yes, that makes him cool.

Modifié par Harid, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:04 .

[Rattleface]

Harid wrote...

Rattleface wrote...

Harid wrote...

Morrigan: Sociopath
Connor:  Pretty much killed his standing troops and made them an undead army
Flemeth: Sociopath and master manipulator
Jowan: Colossal screw up artist
Uldred: Pride Demon that is turning the whole tower into abominations cause they didn't agree with him
Zathrian:Bitter old man that is punishing people not responsible for a crime
Anders: Cool
Sketch: Didn't buy Leliana's Song
Velanna: Murderer that didn't check her facts
The Baroness : Pride Demon that used a villages children to stay young
Aneirin: Cool

Yeah, most apostate mages have a pretty bad track record, of the ones we have seen.

Anders was cool?

He hated Oghren as much as I did, so, yes, that makes him cool.

Oghren was voice acted by Steven Blum you cur.  That makes him much cooler than "Anders".