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[Brockololly]

Ok that got your attention!

Reposted from this thread,

Gamespot's "Hot Spot" Podcast from today. Interview with Dr. Ray Muzyka starts at about the 1 hour 22 minute 30 second mark. Nothing really new- they ask some good  questions, but Ray is quite good at saying a whole lot without saying  very much.

2 quotes of note.  First, at the 1 hour 32 minute mark:

(On a discussion of WRPGs vs. JRPGs)

There's certainly action games that have alot of RPG features. There's action RPG's that are more clearly, like, you know they're action games than RPGs.I think Dragon Age 2 would probably fit into that category. And there are games that are more clearly pure RPGs in the old school way, maybe some JRPGs are more that way

And then bluntly stating it at the 1 hour 46 minute mark:

You press a button something awesome happens. Its an action RPG. I mean, who would have imagined that?

Indeed, Dr. Ray, indeed. Who would have imagined that? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]


I'd advise listening to the whole thing to try and get some context, as Ray goes into some detail on what he views as important in an RPG and all that. But make of this what you will.

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:31 .

[Noctis2.0]

Sooo Action RPG= bad?

[upsettingshorts]

Well, from where I sit either:

1) Dr. Ray's definition of what an action RPG is is wildly different than mine.
2) Welcome to more marketing, "action RPG" sounds cooler.
3) The sky is indeed falling.

Beats me which one is true.

Noctis2.0 wrote...

Sooo Action RPG= bad?

To some people.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:32 .

[Daerog]

Sounds fun. It could be an RTS for all I care, as long as it has fun gameplay (fun does not have to mean stylish or fantastic, I like the ideas of Sylvius as well), has interesting characters, and a good story.

Edit: Although I always like RPG elements. I'm still on the fence on buying King Arthur the Roleplaying War Game, not perfect, but a strategy game with rpg elements? Such a nice idea.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:36 .

[slimgrin]

GamerM wrote...

I met Ray at E3 before awesome person.

Not to play devil's advocate, but in interviews he tends to be pretty verbose. I think the action rpg quip was a slip up. He should have known how traditional fans would take that statement. Or maybe he does.

[MisterMonkeyBanana]

On the old forums ages ago, I think Mr Gaider himself described DAO as an action RPG. So I don't see what the problem is.

[Brockololly]

filaminstrel wrote...
Even if it is an Action RPG, I won't be particularly disappointed, even if it that kind of wording does send the forum to hell in a handbasket. I'm a polygamist, I play many different genres of games.

True enough. I'd advise just listening to the podcast yourself, as I don't intend to butcher  what Ray said, but he mentions how he thinks GTA4 has got RPG elements in it and he goes on to say that the  direction in which Rockstar is headed towards,what with adding RPG  elements to their games, is really the same destination that BioWare is  headed, just coming from a different direction, with BioWare adding  action elements to RPGs.

That notion of striving towards some homogenous mish mash game that maybe loses out on core features of the more "old school" games in their resepctive genres, isn't that appealing to me. Having diversity in games and how you interact with the story in games (silent PC) is A GOOD THING!  Not every game needs to be VO everything with dialogue wheel.

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[upsettingshorts]

MisterMonkeyBanana wrote...
So I don't see what the problem is.

It could just be confirmation bias, which might as well be the subtitle of the Bioware Social Network forums.  But the primary reason doubts linger is simply the lack of information.  As long as there are no concrete facts, people will fill the gaps with their hopes and fears.

filaminstrel wrote...

GamerM wrote...

I met Ray at E3 before awesome person.

Was Ray as awesome as awesome person?

I lol'd

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[Chris Priestly]

I've been saying "action RPG" since San Diego Comic Con. Not new, but it definitely suits Dragon Age II.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I've been saying "action RPG" since San Diego Comic Con. Not new, but it definitely suits Dragon Age II.

What do you call Deus Ex, Fallout 3, and Mass Effect 2 then? Actiony action RPGs?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[Brockololly]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
But the primary reason doubts linger is simply the lack of information.  As long as there are no concrete facts, people will fill the gaps with their hopes and fears.

Right- ultimately I don't give a flying...hoot, what Ray or Laidlaw or EA Marketing Wizard #527 has to say about DA2. The proof is in being able to see the gameplay with your own 2 eyes and making up your mind  at that point. But they seem to be doing a hell of a job not showing the game at all, only 4 months prior to release. *sigh*

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Daerog]

Brockololly wrote...

 Having diversity in games and how you interact with the story in games (silent PC) is A GOOD THING!  Not every game needs to be VO everything with dialogue wheel.

Totally agree. BioWare should try making a Roleplaying War Game next.

[Anarya]

Well! This changes everything nothing.

[Lyssistr]

Noctis2.0 wrote...

Sooo Action RPG= bad?

 Bad in general, without any a priori considerations? No, I'm gonna love Diablo III.

 Bad for DA franchise? It's bad for rejuvenating cRPGs, going back to the roots, bad for claiming the spiritual legacy of BG, bad for royally ****ing the core gameplay of a franchise that btw had no trouble selling. It's as bad as Diablo III would be if it were announced as a turn-based game.

 Bio boss calls DA2 an aRPG (again), it sounds like it's gonna be one. Console ported aRPG, not exactly my idea of an "old school" RPG franchise but oh well, there's plenty of stuff coming out, DA2 is hardly a necessity.

[Brockololly]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I've been saying "action RPG" since San Diego Comic Con. Not new, but it definitely suits Dragon Age II.

Would you have labeled Origins as an "Action RPG"?

[upsettingshorts]

Diablo strikes me as a "dungeon crawler" for whatever that's worth.

I really have a hard time considering any RPG that doesn't have twitch mechanics as an "action" RPG. The outcomes are still heavily determined by dice rolls, if not exclusively determined by them.

[Lyssistr]

GamerM wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Noctis2.0 wrote...

Sooo Action RPG= bad?

 Bad in general, without any a priori considerations? No, I'm gonna love Diablo III.

 Bad for DA franchise? It's bad for rejuvenating cRPGs, going back to the roots, bad for claiming the spiritual legacy of BG, bad for royally ****ing the core gameplay of a franchise that btw had no trouble selling. It's as bad as Diablo III would be if it were announced as a turn-based game.

 Bio boss calls DA2 an aRPG (again), it sounds like it's gonna be one. Console ported aRPG, not exactly my idea of an "old school" RPG franchise but oh well, there's plenty of stuff coming out, DA2 is hardly a necessity.

DAO and DAO 2 can't be compared with Diablo.

I wasn't comparing them mate.

[Chris Priestly]

To be honest, I never played Deus Ex. I would call Fallout 3 a shooter with RPG elements.

I would also call Mass Effect 2 an action RPG, but a different action RPG from Dragon Age II.

[upsettingshorts]

Chris Priestly wrote...

To be honest, I never played Deus Ex.

Well, I know what you should be doing this weekend. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:48 .