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[the_one_54321]

Pulling a Sylvius?

Am I mistaken in the implied meaning of the phrase?

"Who cares" = "I dismiss your point because no one cares about it."

But people do care about it, and not just in the technical sense. Obviously there are a number of people that care about it fairly strongly. So it's dismissive and inaccurate.

Saying "I don't care" would still be dismissive but not at all inaccurate.

[soteria]

I'm from whatever part of America I care to claim at the moment. I've always understood/used "who cares" to mean "I really don't care about that issue one way or the other, and I don't entirely understand why you seem to." I would use it almost synonymously with "so what?" I wouldn't consider either idiom rude/dismissive unless that constituted the entirety of your response.

Edit:  I might also use "Who cares" as a preamble to an explanation for why I think the issue really isn't that important.

Modifié par soteria, 04 novembre 2010 - 05:32 .

[AlanC9]

Yeah, rudeness is very different in different places.

[Meltemph]

http://www.macmillan..._24#who-cares_1



used for saying that you do not think something is important and that you are not worried about it



Other words with relatively the same meaning:



whatever

anyhow

anyway

no...to speak of

no matter how/where/what etc

not to worry

I’m not bothered

so what?/what of it ?

any

[Ryzaki]

Meltemph wrote...

This I'm in northeast america and saying "who cares?" is usually rude and dismissive.

I guess I am around people less uptight then, I would have to guess. Since the way I used it is the most common(using the actual defined meaning of it), with the people I have been around...

You're probably around your friends. Who cares no matter who I say it too around here with the exception of friends is taken as rude and dismissive because it is.

Using it in an argument is generally not a good idea if you want to be taken seriously. You're dismissing someone's arguement by trivilizing the matter.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 novembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[the_one_54321]

Right usage differs, confusion ensues, what meaning was thought was not actually the meaning, resulting discussion was based on a misunderstanding, and everyone has wasted a half hour. Standard internet procedure.

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Well when you use phrases like "who cares" no matter what the context, it implies that no one cares about it. Actually, a lot of people care about it.

Not necessarily.  He could be honestly asking, or he could be trying to suggest that no one should care, regardless of whether anyone does.

[Meltemph]

Who cares no matter who I say it too around here with the exception of friends is taken as rude and dismissive because it is.

Ya, ok, whatever(that is dismissive and rude). It is obvious we are not going to agree on it, because I don't take offense to the phrase at all, in just about any context and is used fairly regularly in my circle of people and not just friends(An office word even).

Using it in an argument is generally not a good idea if you want to be taken seriously.

According to you and the others you say it to, perhaps. That is great, but if someone on the forums does not take me seriously because I use who cares... who cares?

[AlanC9]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Am I mistaken in the implied meaning of the phrase?
"Who cares" = "I dismiss your point because no one cares about it."

Yes, you are. It means that I'm dismissing your point, but not because no one cares about it. That's obviously false since you just made the point; if no one believed in it who would I be talking to?

It can mean that I'm dismissing your point because there aren't very many people who think like you, sure. That would still be a valid use here because getting a few people on a message board to support a point doesn't mean that's a large enough group that we should care about it.

But it can also be used to imply that even though there are a large number of people who care about the issue, they should nevertheless be ignored. For all sorts of reasons; they're all fools, they have lousy taste, they believe in a false theory,they're not really part of the relevant community, and so forth

[Ryzaki]

Meltemph wrote...Ya, ok, whatever(that is dismissive and rude). It is obvious we are not going to agree on it, because I don't take offense to the phrase at all, in just about any context and is used fairly regularly in my circle of people and not just friends(An office word even).

Right because that being rude and dismissive somehow means "who cares?" isn't.

According to you and the others you say it to, perhaps. That is great, but if someone on the forums does not take me seriously because I use who cares... who cares?

And there's my reasoning for that phrase being dismissive.

You're right we're not going to agree. I'm going to keep seeing it as rude and dismissive and you're not.

But true who cares? 

But personally whenever I hear that in a debate I can't help but think the person has no point so hey have to trivilize the whole issue to make their lack of an opinion somehow matter.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 novembre 2010 - 05:46 .

[AlanC9]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Well when you use phrases like "who cares" no matter what the context, it implies that no one cares about it. Actually, a lot of people care about it.

Not necessarily.  He could be honestly asking, or he could be trying to suggest that no one should care, regardless of whether anyone does.

I hope you didn't mind me using you as an example of someone who would take a quixotic stand against a typical language usage.

[MerinTB]

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I'm in Southwest America. I know it's common usage but term implies that no one (or very few people) care, as I have understood it. When lots of people clearly care and you say "who cares" it sounds dismissive in a fairly inaccurate way.

This I'm in northeast america and saying "who cares?" is usually rude and dismissive.

Midwest here.

"Who cares?" is a very dismissive and rude statement here.  It's often used to belittle and disregard the given subject.

[Meltemph]

And there's my reasoning for that phrase being dismissive.

It is dismissive, it is the actual reason I used it, because I dismissed the problems the person I was talking to had, in context to how I look at it. The top down view and the other things he was talking about was a non issue to me, dismissive worthy.



But now it is getting to the point of pointlessness me explaining the reason I used it and am not even sure why I am trying to explain myself when I don't even feel the need to... Hmm, I would assume it has something to do with it being so damn cold out and not currently having anything better to do, while I wait for downloads to finish.



Ya, that is probably the reason.

[Martanek]

Thanks Bioware for your honesty! Finally someone from Bioware, the big boss himself, has confirmed what I have been saying about DA2 from the beginning. That DA2 has shifted from a traditional old-school RPG to an action RPG. There have been indeed many clear indications about that major change lately.



Ladies and gentleman, here we have it. Now we expect more traditional RPG elements being dumbing down to please the broadest possible audience, more improve=remove approach that has proved so useful with ME2, more consolization, more hack 'n' slash. I knew something bad was going on with Bioware. It is good to know officially what Mass Effect Age, oh Dragon Age II, is at its core.



Anyone still thinks DA2 is not being developed primarily on consoles? I thought so. Shame on you Bioware. Why have you been sacrificing so many old fans for a mass of new console-generation action-oriented gamers?

[soteria]

Ryzaki wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

This I'm in northeast america and saying "who cares?" is usually rude and dismissive.

I guess I am around people less uptight then, I would have to guess. Since the way I used it is the most common(using the actual defined meaning of it), with the people I have been around...

You're probably around your friends. Who cares no matter who I say it too around here with the exception of friends is taken as rude and dismissive because it is.

Using it in an argument is generally not a good idea if you want to be taken seriously. You're dismissing someone's arguement by trivilizing the matter.

Well, let's keep this in context.  The original quote (unedited, emphasis mine):

Who cares though? That is how I look at it. If it is a good game, I could give 2 poops what the last one was like as long as I like the new one. And even still I'm not seeing any significant changed in DA2, but I don't look at the game as seriously as others, I guess.

The point of his post would seem to be that he doesn't really care about the changes as long as the result is still a good game.  I don't see anything in this post that dismisses anyone else's opinion.  In fact, he admits in the same post that other people probably care more than he does.  That really makes any interpretation of his words to mean he thinks nobody cares highly suspect.  He would have to contradict himself in the same paragraph to mean that.

Snipping words out of context and ascribing unintended meaning to them is rude, last I checked.

[Ryzaki]

Meltemph wrote...

And there's my reasoning for that phrase being dismissive.

It is dismissive, it is the actual reason I used it, because I dismissed the problems the person I was talking to had, in context to how I look at it. The top down view and the other things he was talking about was a non issue to me, dismissive worthy.

But now it is getting to the point of pointlessness me explaining the reason I used it and am not even sure why I am trying to explain myself when I don't even feel the need to... Hmm, I would assume it has something to do with it being so damn cold out and not currently having anything better to do, while I wait for downloads to finish.

Ya, that is probably the reason.

Yeah well this'll sound cold of me but I hope it doesn't do as well as DAO. Not that it fails but its just not as good as DAO. At least that'll offer a reason to go back to the DAO format. Nothing, nothing takes me out of a RPG where I'm supposed to be the character faster than a voice.

And for all BWs narking on JRPGs they're becoming awfully similar.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 novembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Ryzaki]

soteria wrote...

The point of his post would seem to be that he doesn't really care about the changes as long as the result is still a good game.  I don't see anything in this post that dismisses anyone else's opinion.  In fact, he admits in the same post that other people probably care more than he does.  That really makes any interpretation of his words to mean he thinks nobody cares highly suspect.  He would have to contradict himself in the same paragraph to mean that.

Snipping words out of context and ascribing unintended meaning to them is rude, last I checked.

I was talking about the "who cares?" phrase itself though. THat by itself is rude and dismissive. Adding the That is how I look at it. Is clairifying his position and somewhat softening the whole "who cares?" dismissiveness. That doesn't stop the phrase from being dismissive.

I didn't say his post was rude and dismissve but that "who cares?' is seen as being rude and dismissive.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 novembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[MerinTB]

And, OK, here's the thing -



you ARE being rude when someone specifically says to you "you have offended me, please don't talk to me that way" and instead of adapting your speech, apologizing, or something polite...



you ARGUE over why the person brought it up, you attack the people who agree with the person who brought it up, you get defensive about what you say, and in the end you say "I don't care that they misinterpreted my meaning... and yes, now I am being rude."



My point is made all the more relevant by the reaction.



I tried to address what could be a misunderstanding, and instead found out it wasn't a misunderstanding but just some rude people not caring who they insult.

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

I hope you didn't mind me using you as an example of someone who would take a quixotic stand against a typical language usage.

While that's an accurate description of what I do, I don't think it's a complete description.

I hope my stands always have some basis in precision or etymology.

[Meltemph]

Snipping words out of context and ascribing unintended meaning to them is rude, last I checked.

Eh, does not bother me much to be perfectly honest, it actually let me blow off about 20 min while I wait for some downloads to finish up. From my perspective, the people complaining come across as uptight at the very least, a lot more then me, so it makes sense they would take it as rude.



I do however appreciate you actually understanding my meaning. =P

[MerinTB]

soteria wrote...
Well, let's keep this in context.  The original quote (unedited, emphasis mine):

Who cares though? That is how I look at it. If it is a good game, I could give 2 poops what the last one was like as long as I like the new one. And even still I'm not seeing any significant changed in DA2, but I don't look at the game as seriously as others, I guess.

....

Snipping words out of context and ascribing unintended meaning to them is rude, last I checked.

Yeah, about context, let's try that -

MerinTB wrote...

Meltemph wrote...
Who cares though? ... I don't look at the game as seriously as others, I guess.

You answer your own question.

You don't care, but you aren't as serious about the games as others.

Because
you are easy-going and will accept pretty much anything "as long as
it's good" doesn't mean that others who don't like certain gamestyles
should just accept them because you are easy-going and don't understand
the motivations of others.

What you highlighted?  It's what I included.  I knew it was relevant and said so.

So, see, I started this (apparently) and with the context you wanted.

[Ryzaki]

Uptight? *laughs* Uptight is the last thing I've ever been referred to as.

[Meltemph]

you ARE being rude when someone specifically says to you "you have offended me, please don't talk to me that way" and instead of adapting your speech, apologizing, or something polite...







you ARGUE over why the person brought it up, you attack the people who agree with the person who brought it up, you get defensive about what you say, and in the end you say "I don't care that they misinterpreted my meaning... and yes, now I am being rude."

You took it that way, I was just having a discussion, at least I thought I was having one. Apparently I was attacking and getting defensive, because I was disagreeing with some points. I think you might want to take a step back and not take everything so serious.

My point is made all the more relevant by the reaction.

Well then you got me, I guess?

I tried to address what could be a misunderstanding, and instead found out it wasn't a misunderstanding but just some rude people not caring who they insult.

It is not always the person who was misunderstood's job to change their perception/ways, but you seem rather worked up so I doubt what I say will matter, I'm perfectly fine agreeing to disagree.

[MerinTB]

And continue to paint me as "worked up"



poisoning the well and ad hominem always strengthen your side.



Please, continue to direct insinuations and slurs at me. You are very much proving the point.

[Meltemph]

MerinTB wrote...

And continue to paint me as "worked up"

poisoning the well and ad hominem always strengthen your side.

Please, continue to direct insinuations and slurs at me. You are very much proving the point.

Ok?  So you are not worked up... just putting me in my place?  Alright, Ill buy that.