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[TM13h]

leonia42 wrote...
I guess it's just trendy now to be anti-trendy but that's no reason for people to belittle their fellow human beings for using some piece of the internet on a regular basis. It's surprising to see more "Facebook sucks!" posts in this thread than "Hey cool, Bioware, can't wait to give Legends a try!"

It's not as simple as that. Nobody who refuses to use Facebook, Twitter or any other service like that has absolutely every right to do so without the need to justify the decision. All those people coming here and trying to play down the doubts people are having about FB or even looking down on the nay-sayers as being "anti-trendy", being left in the last century, being Zuckerberg haters, or whatever have no right to criticize the decision. One person values her privacy higher than others, which is fine. Others don't have any problem with getting exploited (this might be exaggerated to make my point clear) as long as they gain something, free items for DA2, for example.

You said that FB is the best way for you to communicate. What is so trendy about that? Ain't it more anti-trendy to use FB instead of phones, letters and e-mails? And even if somebody succumbs to "the trend" and creates an account just for DA:L... what is the purpose in that other than giving FB the opportunity to announce another user milestone or sending the signal to EA that a large portion of its customers care more about a few lines of code than their own privacy? The vague chance that such people might start using FB aside from DA:L, throwing away all the doubts they had over years just so they can get a free item or two? Or is it more the hope that these people, once they crossed the line, they will also cross another one and start to pay for items?

You might think FB is as glorious as it is in your eyes, and actually something good for the internet, while the only thing I see is the cheapest trick to lure people into using a service they ignore or even despise.

[Leonia]

Why does everyone assume there are innate privacy issues with Facebook? All one has to do is actually take a few seconds to manage their account settings. I was saying that Facebook is trendy and those opposed to signing up think they look really badass by saying "I turn my nose up at you trendy Facebook, ha look me be really anti-cool!", which I think you twisted around in that post of yours.

I wouldn't call Facebook glorious or amazing or everyone's cup of tea, but it works for a lot of people and it plays a role in some people's lives. For those of us who started using it years ago when it was simply a way to connect with fellow college students, it is the best tool we have to stay in touch. Are we bad people because Facebook's image has changed over the years and we've stuck with it through the ups and downs?

I feel like I am constantly being called an idiot, a sheep, a supporter of anti-privacy on the internet, simply because I use the freaking site on a regular basis. If people don't like it, they don't have to use it. People around here are acting like Bioware is demanding that they set up accounts and play their game. And as others have said, you can set up an account without feeling obligated to use it for anything other than this new game.

Again, all this hooplah over the issue of privacy on Facebook comes down to users being flat out lazy about checking their settings. I have used it for four years and never have I felt my privacy was compromised, I set my settings to friends only and only become friends with people I actually know and trust. I don't post controversial things on my wall and then get in trouble at work or school for lieing about what I was doing on some given day. I use what many call "common sense" and if more people did that on Facebook, Twitter, Myspace and the rest of the internet, then those places would hardly seem as scary as they do to the non-Internet savvy types who don't understand how to regulate their personal behaviour and activty in a public domain.

That said, it's very simple to set up a dummy account if someone really wants the benefits of playing this game without all the other commitments. If the very idea of touching Facebook is so disgusting then don't bother with the dummy account. I just don't see why it's something so scary to everyone around here, aside from the anti-trenders who want to look cool for denouncing Facebook useage.

I don't care about what bonuses Legends adds to DA 2, I just like the idea of a social networking game that doesn't revolve around idiotic concepts like Farmville and others. It's the next generation of gaming, whether you like it or not, mobile devices are the other form. It's great that Bioware is branching out and evolving with its market.

All that said, I could careless if people want to use Facebook or not but I am getting tired of seeing it being ridiculed due to poor fact-checking.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 01:31 .

[Napalm Jim]

SirOccam wrote...
You're already going through Microsoft, Sony, or some PC/parts manufacturer in order to play it. Until they start manufacturing their own hardware, you're always going to have to go through third parties in order to play any of their games.

Right, right.  Should've said "third party software", which is what I meant.  Seems like it's becoming more of a common sight in the industry these days, like how the PC version of Fallout Vegas required players to install and register Steam in order to even play the thing, as an easy example.

Come to think of it, this isn't even the first time that the fine folks at Dragon Age have encouraged us to sign up for the Facebook.  Maybe it's the wave of the future after all.

[standardpack]

Goldrock wrote...

I like fb only reason i see people hating it is because some nerd invented it and got hella rich off of it least the dude went somewhere and made himself rich dont hate someone and their product because well he knew his buisness and he made it in life. nothing wrong with fb so long as you know how too protect yourself on it.

Have you even seen The Social Network?

[Harbringerr]

Virginian wrote...

Tocquevillain wrote...

Virginian wrote...

Nothing DAL has to offer by way of story or DLC for DA2 is worth joining one of the best examples of humans deserving to be wiped off the face of the Earth like the Black Plague

I'll keep your  quote here just in case you eventually realize how stupid that was and try to edit it.

Go ahead and do that. I will never realize that my decision is stupid. The only thing I will ever realize is that humans who join are dumber than dirt and should be pittied because cockroaches are smarter.

You're hilarious man.  Good show, I want more.  Dance monkey!

[MisterDyslexo]

standardpack wrote...

Goldrock wrote...

I like fb only reason i see people hating it is because some nerd invented it and got hella rich off of it least the dude went somewhere and made himself rich dont hate someone and their product because well he knew his buisness and he made it in life. nothing wrong with fb so long as you know how too protect yourself on it.

Have you even seen The Social Network?

Which is made almost entirely using "creative liscense", a.k.a. untruths which nobofy on either side will say is true

[craigdolphin]

I played and enjoyed DAJourneys and I would like to register my own disappointment that it seems to have been supplanted by the Facebook platform. 

I actually do have a FB account, which I do my best to forget exists. But I won't be playing DAL.

The only reason I haven't deleted my FB account is because there are some old contacts who might get upset with me if I did. Instead, I simply don't go there. Given the amount of span I remember seeing from 'friends' playing fb games, and the arcane process required to disable those kinds of posts, many of my friends would doubtless be spammed if I were to play DALegends on FB since some of them are not the most computer savvy. I don't forward chain emails or snail-mails, or knowingly do anything to facilitate the propagation of spam. Participating actively in FB just isn't something I want to do: even disregarding the privacy issues they seem to have. (Yes, I've locked my settings down too, but I distrust the company itself so I have little comfort that they honor my restrictions).

Had DAL been released in the same way as DAJ, I would certainly have played it. Might even have selectively mentioned it to some people I know that might actually be interested. But I won't be playing it, or any other game, on facebook.

And note: this is not intended as a tirade against folks who do like FB. I can understand why BW are keen to jump aboard the FB hype wagon. I just wish they'd finished DAJ like they said they would at the time, as well as doing their facebook thing.

So: it's dissappointing for me personally as it means I'll miss out on some in-game loot, and maybe a fun game like DAJ was. C'est la vie

[Sibuya Sempai]

Opinion Poll 

Modifié par Sibuya Sempai, 11 novembre 2010 - 08:16 .

[standardpack]

Sibuya Sempai wrote...

Opinion Poll 

Who the f**k voted 'awsome' on that poll!?  They need to be thrown into the pit of deep stalkers.

[emlit]

No thank you.

[SirOccam]

craigdolphin wrote...

Given the amount of span I remember seeing from 'friends' playing fb games, and the arcane process required to disable those kinds of posts, many of my friends would doubtless be spammed if I were to play DALegends on FB since some of them are not the most computer savvy.

That "arcane process" consists of clicking once on the name of the app, then clicking on "Block App."

Anyway, what I've been hearing is that they've really taken care of the spamminess to a large degree. I know I've noticed less of it recently, or maybe people just aren't doing it as much. I'm planning on giving it a shot, but if it does prove to be too spammy I'm stopping. That's the reason I haven't played a single FB game to date.

[Apollo Starflare]

I have tonnes of friends who use facebook games and I rarely have to bother blocking things thesedays. Maybe I just caught them all in the end, but considering how often new ones pop up I tend to think they have just gotten better at not cluttering up my home page with spam updates.



Incidentally I can completely understand someone not wanting to sign up and having reservations about joining facebook (which are of course, their own and they have no need to explain themselves here or anywhere else if they don't want to) but I'm just amazed at how vehement and angry some of the responses here are. You'd think facebook involved blood magic, seriously.

[Snelle Jaap]

Sibuya Sempai wrote...

Opinion Poll 

Good stuff thanks for the info/poll

Maybe it will do some good

[Feraele]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hello Dragon Age fans

Today BioWare is pleased to announce the beta test for our upcoming Facebook gameDragon Age Legends. Before the launch of Dragon Age II, return to Thedas in Dragon Age Legends on Facebook.  Take down demons and darkspawn with your friends in this action-packed, strategy RPG.  Be Legendary!

Dragon Age Journeys is a Facebook exclusive game that will be playable by everyone early next year. Playing Dragon Age Journeys will allow fans on Facebook not only to experience a new adventure within Thedas, but also to unlock items for use when they play Dragon Age 2.

Before the game launches next year, we are looking for an exclusive group to help us beta test the new game. Interested parties should goto the Dragon Age Legends page and register. Remember, you must have both a BioWare/EA account AND a Facebook profile to register. Accepted applicants will receive an email with further details closer to the early January beta launch.

Visit the webpage for more information on Dragon Age Legends

Perfect blend,  Dragon Age Legends and Facebook,   Dragon Age will blow the other FB games out of the water..   hehehe   *makes faces at Zynga!!*

One other thing..can Dragon Age Legends be DIFFERENT and not have the multiple popups that the Zynga games do?   Hella annoying..  heh

Modifié par Feraele, 12 novembre 2010 - 05:10 .

[flexxdk]

Sibuya Sempai wrote...

Opinion Poll 

I doubt that it'll have any effect.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

leonia42 wrote...

Why does everyone assume there are innate privacy issues with Facebook? All one has to do is actually take a few seconds to manage their account settings. I was saying that Facebook is trendy and those opposed to signing up think they look really badass by saying "I turn my nose up at you trendy Facebook, ha look me be really anti-cool!", which I think you twisted around in that post of yours.

I wouldn't call Facebook glorious or amazing or everyone's cup of tea, but it works for a lot of people and it plays a role in some people's lives. For those of us who started using it years ago when it was simply a way to connect with fellow college students, it is the best tool we have to stay in touch. Are we bad people because Facebook's image has changed over the years and we've stuck with it through the ups and downs?

I feel like I am constantly being called an idiot, a sheep, a supporter of anti-privacy on the internet, simply because I use the freaking site on a regular basis. If people don't like it, they don't have to use it. People around here are acting like Bioware is demanding that they set up accounts and play their game. And as others have said, you can set up an account without feeling obligated to use it for anything other than this new game.

Again, all this hooplah over the issue of privacy on Facebook comes down to users being flat out lazy about checking their settings. I have used it for four years and never have I felt my privacy was compromised, I set my settings to friends only and only become friends with people I actually know and trust. I don't post controversial things on my wall and then get in trouble at work or school for lieing about what I was doing on some given day. I use what many call "common sense" and if more people did that on Facebook, Twitter, Myspace and the rest of the internet, then those places would hardly seem as scary as they do to the non-Internet savvy types who don't understand how to regulate their personal behaviour and activty in a public domain.

That said, it's very simple to set up a dummy account if someone really wants the benefits of playing this game without all the other commitments. If the very idea of touching Facebook is so disgusting then don't bother with the dummy account. I just don't see why it's something so scary to everyone around here, aside from the anti-trenders who want to look cool for denouncing Facebook useage.

I don't care about what bonuses Legends adds to DA 2, I just like the idea of a social networking game that doesn't revolve around idiotic concepts like Farmville and others. It's the next generation of gaming, whether you like it or not, mobile devices are the other form. It's great that Bioware is branching out and evolving with its market.

All that said, I could careless if people want to use Facebook or not but I am getting tired of seeing it being ridiculed due to poor fact-checking.

Leonia, you made a great argument for your position, however take a look at this article.  Also do a google search for security issues with facebook.  These articles popping up for this topic are from well known pc reviewers and security companies.  Last month my local news also did a story on lack of security with facebook.   Odd that my local news story broke on security issue just a week before Bioware announced DAL.

http://www.nytimes.c...06facebook.html

Since I don't have a facebook account and I truly don't want one, I do have a question.  Does facebook have the setting to not allow third parties from contacting you or your friends on the site and the option for the facebook to not share your information with third parties?  Myspace does offer this security setting.  I don't use apps on myspace when they released their programs.  I started getting spyware all the time from these apps.  I think this is why some people are disappointed and would have rather seen Legends added to the Journey page or a new page of its own independent of facebook.

[Virginian]

Harbringerr wrote...
You're hilarious man.  Good show, I want more.  Dance monkey!

If you want a dancing monkey then go here: 

[namedforthemoon]

Alright, I made a facebook account and signed up. I feel like I made a deal with the devil. But, the Legends website looks pretty cool.

[Leonia]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Since I don't have a facebook account and I truly don't want one, I do have a question.  Does facebook have the setting to not allow third parties from contacting you or your friends on the site and the option for the facebook to not share your information with third parties?  Myspace does offer this security setting.  I don't use apps on myspace when they released their programs.  I started getting spyware all the time from these apps.  I think this is why some people are disappointed and would have rather seen Legends added to the Journey page or a new page of its own independent of facebook.

I understand privacy is a concern and the media has really latched onto it in regards to Facebook but it's a concern for almost any public website you visit. As for Facebook settings in particular, you can read them here: http://www.facebook....explanation.php The only thing I see right off in regards to third-party stuff is the advertising but that acts just like any website that uses Google AdSense to personalise advertising banners to the user. As for applications, you have full control over what they have access to and if you're ever in doubt, don't use the application. I believe with EA putting their name on the Legends game that they will take security fairly seriously and won't share our information unless we allow them to do so (much like on the EA account page we can decide if we want our information shared).

Personally, I've never received any spyware issues while using Facebook and I've used a variety of different applications. That's not to say they aren't out there, but I think Facebook is actively trying to remove any shady applications (just as they have started removing the spam-tastic ability of many apps lately). In general, they seem really keen to keep a positive image now, probably because of the release of the Social Network, and things are constantly being optimised and made more user-friendly.

In regards to Legends, I am a bit upset that they haven't gone the Journeys route but I can see the benefits to shaking up the rather weak Facebook gaming scene. Hopefully, if it is successful enough and well received, they will make a non-Facebook version. Chances are, they will want to try and use a similar method for mobile devices (that's another cutting edge market for game companies at the moment) and when/if they decide to go that route, they will make another browser-based version of Journeys (probably one that can also be used by mobile phone). Just some guesses there on my part, though.

Modifié par leonia42, 13 novembre 2010 - 08:50 .

[Virginian]

I use an extension on Firefox called WOT, earlier today someone hid a Facebook link through a link shortener and guess what WOT gave me a warning about it. Just another reason not to go there.



https://addons.mozil...fox/addon/3456/

[TM13h]

leonia42 wrote...
As for applications, you have full control over what they have access to and if you're ever in doubt, don't use the application. I believe with EA putting their name on the Legends game that they will take security fairly seriously and won't share our information unless we allow them to do so (much like on the EA account page we can decide if we want our information shared).

No offense, but your view on FaceBook and money-oriented companies like EA is a little naive or Blue-eyed. Take a look at this: developers.facebook.com/blog/post/422. There is nothing you can do when a developer starts datamining. And this blog post is from FB itself. Look at what the media tell you about this most recent security affair and you will realize that FB tries to talk the matter down. In fact, some of the most played games on FB had this problem with selling the players' data.

This is nothing anybody can control by clicking around in the privacy options (which, by the way, FB can change with or without noticing its users whenever they want to).

All these issues together are too much for security-sensitive folks. EA jumping on the hype waggon is not really ensuring.

[Crystabella]

Just created a facebook account for this can't wait

[SoleSong]

I guess it is no news... ten wild horses will not manage to drag me onto facebook.

It is not enough for BioWare to sell games the ordenary way... they must get help from facebook

Modifié par SoleSong, 15 novembre 2010 - 01:03 .

[Feraele]

SoleSong wrote...

I guess it is no news... ten wild horses will not manage to drag me onto facebook.

It is not enough for BioWare to sell games the ordenary way... they must get help from facebook

There are millions of people who use Facebook..some of those happen to be gamers, some of those happen to be hardcore gamers.

What better avenue to get the word out about Dragon Age, than Facebook...whats total number of people who use FB..somewhere around 500 million?

I think they'd be daft to NOT utilize this avenue of word of mouth advertising.     If you don't like FB ..so be it, you don't have to like FB.  

I still think its a wonderful idea, and I have personally just started using FB about 4 months ago or so.   I have no worries about it, I don't go off the deep end and talk about personal stuff..after all, you are broadcasting to the world basically.  lol  

I do play games there,  but I am dropping all Zynga games...can't wait for Dragon Age: Legends  ..was listening to the Dev podcast ..and from what they were saying,  it should be a different way of playing a game on Facebook,  you play with your team of friends..even if they are offline I think,  so you can earn money and rewards for your teammates, and they can do the same for you.    There will be castles eventually..that you can visit,  but not right now.  

I am really looking forward to this ..it will take away the longgggg wait for DA:2 

[JeCy108]

leonia42 wrote...


I understand privacy is a concern and the media has really latched onto it in regards to Facebook but it's a concern for almost any public website you visit. As for Facebook settings in particular, you can read them here: http://www.facebook....explanation.php The only thing I see right off in regards to third-party stuff is the advertising but that acts just like any website that uses Google AdSense to personalise advertising banners to the user. As for applications, you have full control over what they have access to and if you're ever in doubt, don't use the application. I believe with EA putting their name on the Legends game that they will take security fairly seriously and won't share our information unless we allow them to do so (much like on the EA account page we can decide if we want our information shared).

the big difference is most public websites your also not on your real name.  And you are right about apps asking for access.  But there isnt a single one ive ever used that didnt..   wanna check out farmville, well we need access to all sorts of things.   Yea.. like thats gonna happen on my end.   I would say 99% certain that this app is gonna ask to access my freinds list, well if thats the case, sorry, your not getting used by me.   

For me, with everything turned to the max, there are still people viewing stuff that i dont know.. like even simple tagging. Sure you can remove it, but i havent found a way to block it, and i can certainly not block it on other peoples pages.

People really need to wake up and smell the coffee on this one. There is absolutly Zero reason  that any single player game i want to play i should have to do anything other than spend my money on it.

When games start doing tricks like this, they lose my dollars,  Just like when they put on harsh DRM's.  I vote with my wallet.  Just like spores DRM made me say no thanks. Ill wait for a patch to remove it, if it ever shows, ill go purchase that game.  (EA lost a sale on that game cause of the nasty DRM)..  this little FB trick possibly lost another sale.

If Bioware wants to say, all this content will be avaliable with a DLC, well then thats a different story. But FB only, Just like a nasty DRM..  Sorry guys ill pass..


And just for the record, Im not against using face book in this fasion.. If you wanna play a FB game, thats great, go for it.  Just add the DLC too..


(i say this as someone that has played every  RPG bioware and black isle have made..  BG-IWD-NWN-Planescape, and yes Dragon age..)

Modifié par JeCy108, 18 novembre 2010 - 01:38 .