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[Nightwriter]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

At the time this actually gave me the impression the Alarei was now inaccessible. Then I get Xen's email....

Same, I believed that all the data and info on the Alarei was deleted. The email was just a "wait, what?" moment for me, though it'll probably have no impact on ME3.

I hate it when they seem to present me with two different realities. The question is, which reality do I go with?

I tend to trust dialogue-defined reality more than email-or-text-defined reality. So I tend to disregard the email, especially since I get it later on and it strikes me as odd.

[ShadyKat]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

While he is indeed a war criminal, there are greater forces at play. Thus my Shepard and I feel that humbling the Admiralty Board takes precedence over exposing Rael's crimes.

Pretty much this.

[Kronner]

Nightwriter wrote...

I hate it when they seem to present me with two different realities. The question is, which reality do I go with?

I tend to trust dialogue-defined reality more than email-or-text-defined reality. So I tend to disregard the email, especially since I get it later on and it strikes me as odd.

Could you elaborate?

[Collider]

@Kronner: That's all stuff Xen does or says after Shepard has revealed the evidence. Meaning, after the player has made the decision.

[Giggles_Manically]

I love yelling at the Admirals.



Its a simple choice for me, the trial is no real trial only political maneuvering.

I wish there was a way to pull an Udina and say:

"I am tired of this board and its anti-tali BULL-SH-"



I liked Udina before ME2, and now he goes and ignores the Reapers. Why Udina? He had such an awesome speech in ME1 at the end.

[Nightwriter]

Kronner wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I hate it when they seem to present me with two different realities. The question is, which reality do I go with?

I tend to trust dialogue-defined reality more than email-or-text-defined reality. So I tend to disregard the email, especially since I get it later on and it strikes me as odd.

Could you elaborate?

Dave and I were just talking about Xen's email. It says she inspected the Alarei and found Rael's research.

This contradicts a lot of the dialogue you hear from characters like Han'Gerrel, who implies the Alarei is inaccessible now and that he must trust your word on what you found there.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 03 novembre 2010 - 06:39 .

[Collider]

Your posts in this thread are a waste of space.

Thus said the Reaper named Shandepared as it spoke down to the puny mortals of Earth.

[Giggles_Manically]

Collider wrote...

Your posts in this thread are a waste of space.

Thus said the Reaper named Shandepared as it spoke down to the puny mortals of Earth.

YOU TOUCH MY POSTS FUMBLING IN YOUR IGNORANCE.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

See, I think that could potentially be much much worse than just being upfront with the other, more 'sane' admirals from the beggining. Xen could use the fact that Shepard with-held information from the quarians as leverage for blackmail against the Commander.

In the same post that I was responding to, there was a quote from the Mass Effect wiki which basically said that Xen doesn't like the evidence being public. So revealing the evidence would be providing detriment to herself and her plans, lol.

Of course she doesn't want it public, she wants you to give her the evidence, and not the other admirals.  I'm not sure how that counters my point that she could blackmail Shepard down the road if the Commander doesn't play ball with her.  When Xen knows she's not getting the data anyway, she might rat out Shepard for spite.

Edit:  Oh, have I also mentioned Xen is nuts?

Modifié par jlb524, 03 novembre 2010 - 06:43 .

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

No, I'll keep bringing it up because it's an important goddamn point to make. When you start meta-gaming to justify your decisions you are rendering any points you brought up entirely ****ing moot. THERE IS NO DEBATE if you are going to meta-game. OBVIOUSLY the best choice to make is to charm/intimidate the admiralty board or to otherwise hide the truth and let Tali get exiled. Revealing the truth, no matter how noble the intentions, is just pointless. There is no reason to discuss this.

So... why are we still talking about? I don't know. You base your entire argument on the fact that you already know what happens. Your posts in this thread are a waste of space.

[Ryzaki]

Which makes the the lack of an option to destroy the data even weirder. *sighs*

[Giggles_Manically]

I have a feeling I was not the only one yelling at my screen during that mission.

"Lets take down the firewalls!"

"Lets not tell anyone about what we are doing!"

"Lets ignore standard safety rules, to bring more killer robots online!"

"Oops looks like it blew up in our faces! Oh noes!"



Does no one watch sci-fi movies anymore in that century?

[AntiChri5]

Shandepard, your posts are always a waste of space. Calm down.

What would it cost you to show a little basic human civilty?

[Kronner]

Collider wrote...

@Kronner: That's all stuff Xen does or says after Shepard has revealed the evidence. Meaning, after the player has made the decision.

And? What does it matter? I would do it regardless. Rael is a criminal and does not get a free pass from me for being Tali's father.

By revealing the evidence you destroyed quarian plan to retake the homeworld, one of the admirals says just that.
The other admiral says you fooked up her plan for continuing that research.

That is much more important that Tali's loyalty or her father not exiled.

Nightwriter wrote...

Dave and I were just talking about Xen's email. It says she inspected the Alarei and found Rael's research.

This
contradicts a lot of the dialogue you hear from characters like
Han'Gerrel, who implies the Alarei is inaccessible now and that he must
trust your word on what you found there.

I never heard anything like that. The first thing Shepard says after you get back is "go get your ship". How does that imply that it is inaccessible?

[Collider]

Of course she doesn't want it public, she wants you to give her the evidence, and not the other admirals. I'm not sure how that counters my point that she could blackmail Shepard down the road if the Commander doesn't play ball with her. When Xen knows she's not getting the data anyway, she might rat out Shepard for spite.

Shepard doesn't have the data. Shepard doesn't have anything Xen would want, lol. All Shepard has is the video that proves that Rael did the experiment, which is of no use at all to Xen.

[Collider]

Rael is a criminal and does not get a free pass from me for being Tali's father.

Rael is dead. He can't get a free pass because he's dead. He's already paid the price for what he did - which was dying.

That is much more important that Tali's loyalty or her father not exiled.

I agree, and that's why I don't reveal the evidence.

[Kronner]

Collider wrote...

Rael is dead. He can't get a free pass because he's dead. He's already paid the price for what he did - which was dying.

He was not the only one who died there. He effectively killed his team. Death is not high enough price for that.

I agree, and that's why I don't reveal the evidence.

So you allow Xen to continue the research and together with the other pro-war guy have an edge over Korris.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

Of course she doesn't want it public, she wants you to give her the evidence, and not the other admirals. I'm not sure how that counters my point that she could blackmail Shepard down the road if the Commander doesn't play ball with her. When Xen knows she's not getting the data anyway, she might rat out Shepard for spite.

Shepard doesn't have the data. Shepard doesn't have anything Xen would want, lol. All Shepard has is the video that proves that Rael did the experiment, which is of no use at all to Xen.

I know that.   She could want something else down the road...a favor.

Xen knows Rael did something...Xen knows Shepard covered it up.  If Xen wants Shepard to hand over Legion to her, or aid her in some other way, what do you think she will do if Shepard says 'no'?

[Nightwriter]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Shandepard, your posts are always a waste of space. Calm down.
What would it cost you to show a little basic human civilty?

Alas, too much, it seems. We shall weep for Shand.

Especially since he does not seem to understand that 50% of all forum discussions not only involve, but necessitate, a metagaming perspective.

And especially since in this case it's not even metagaming.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 03 novembre 2010 - 06:55 .

[Elyvern]

Pacifien wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It depends on whether or not it'll do any good to reveal it. Splintering the Fleet is quite a bad thing for everyone involved.

Since some of that splintered fleet went off to find a world the quarians could colonize, and I feel that's what they should really be doing, it didn't strike me as an overly bad thing. From that perspective. A splintered fleet doesn't do Shepard much good against the Reapers.

Of course, you don't really know the fleet will splinter from revealing the evidence until after the fact.

The funniest thing is, prior to reading Ascension, I was horrified when Tali told me the migrant fleet splintered because I gave the evidence. But after knowing that the Idenna has done exactly that and has been away for at least a year, the knowledge that more ships will follow makes it feel like something like this was inevitable and that evidence at the trial wasn't the deciding factor and that there were already a number of quarian captains itching to follow the Idenna. Since this information came from a book, is it still considered...meta-gaming?

[Giggles_Manically]

Nightwriter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Shandepard, your posts are always a waste of space. Calm down.
What would it cost you to show a little basic human civilty?

Alas, too much, it seems. We shall weep for Shand.

Especially since he does not seem to understand that 50% of all forum discussions not only involve, but necessitate, a metagaming perspective.

And especially since in this case it's not even metagaming.

Its impossible to NOT metagame.
Since you are always aware that you are playing a game, and have the save button handy. 
Also if you have played a game you will know what is coming anyway.

So claiming to never metagame is silly.