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[red pies]

I want to cure the genophage but i'm not sure if its a good idea.

Not curing it will be that wrex definately has a place as leader of the krogan because of his idea's and grunt is useful because he can help overcome the genophage. But the Krogan will be weaker with fewer numbers they will also continue to aggressive because there angry about 999/1000 of their kids dying.

Curing it will result in Wrex and grunt losing their status because they will no longer be needed. Grunt because they dont need him to stop the genophage and wrex used the destruction of the cure on virmire to rally the krogan. But they will be alot stronger for the final battle with the reapers.

Please give me an answer and explain why

[Nightwriter]

If you cure the genophage Wrex isn't going to lose power. He's a strong leader. That's why he's in power. Not because there is no genophage cure.

Grunt can't cure the genophage. Okeer didn't design him for that purpose. He in fact designed Grunt to completely ignore the genophage altogether. 

If you cure the genophage, neither Grunt or Wrex will lose importance. Now how do you see the situation?

[red pies]

Nightwriter wrote...

If you cure the genophage Wrex isn't going to lose power. He's a strong leader. That's why he's in power. Not because there is no genophage cure.

Grunt can't cure the genophage. Okeer didn't design him for that purpose. He in fact designed Grunt to completely ignore the genophage altogether. 

If you cure the genophage, neither Grunt or Wrex will lose importance. Now how do you see the situation?

i know about why grunt was made, and if the genophage is cured someone that carries the genophage but ignores it is worthless. before anyone corrects me grunt does have the genophage

and another point is would wrex actually want it? they created the genopahge because they krogan where aggresive now we cure it so they can fight the reapers.

[Dave of Canada]

The cure wouldn't be made in time, the cure itself will most likely be used only after the events of ME3. I've destroyed it but didn't enforce the idea of the genophage being the right choice, that way Mordin can still work on it should he want to.

[Nightwriter]

Grunt still wouldn't cease to be important because like Dave said, the genophage cure would take a while to take effect. In the meantime the krogan would need soldiers like Grunt.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure Wrex would definitely want the cure.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 03 novembre 2010 - 05:48 .

[philiposophy]

If Wrex's reforms can render a positive change in krogan society, then I would consider developing a cure or even making a genophage 3.0 that allows for more births but not the population explosion from a full cure. If the krogan are incapable of changing as Wrex wants them to, the cure will not be produced or released.

[mahony427]

I it not a good idea to cure the genophage. Their population will go to high to fast and they WILL atack again the other races in the future(either because of revenge or of desperation) that is inevitable "When the world is overcharged with inhabitants then the last remedy is war" This will happen on a galactic scale. And the reaper atack will happen in the near future in ME and thus their population will not recover that fast and btw very young children can't fight. They have the genophage because of their own stupidity "always fighting no matter who" .

[sinosleep]

The whole genophage is bad thing is just a giant guilt trip and one of those choices where I think Bioware just wanted to nudge paragon players into making a renegade choice.. It was the right thing to do when they did it and undoing it now would only lead to trouble later. The Krogan haven't and never will change their ways. Curing them will only lead to war sooner or later.

Modifié par sinosleep, 03 novembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[Nightwriter]

It is very sad, but I cannot foresee the krogan being able to exist without some kind of leash.

In the near future, anyway. Hundreds of years from now they may change, but as it stands now, I don't think I could in good conscience cure the genophage.

[Stazro]

Krogans are born to kill and they won't wait for the good guys to point the finger at what to shoot. We've seen what they did to their own planet. Once they start breeding like rabbits (again) it is bound to be galactic war all over again. Just as Mordin said, it was probably a mistake to artificially advance them in the first place.

[Xilizhra]

This is one of the few times in the game where I split from Paragon; the krogan are indeed a danger to the galaxy, and releasing the genophage cure right now is likely a bad idea. Of course, I could be wrong.

[CroGamer002]

Curing Genophage is not good idea if Wrex died on Virmire.

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Curing the genophage is the worst thing you could do right now.

Omigod. This is so spooky, I was just thinking that. It's almost like I made a post right before yours saying the same thing.

We're like, thinking on the same wavelength. I'm probably receiving mental signals from you right now or something.

... Why do I have the sudden desire to tell everyone else they're dumber than me? 

Oh yes, and in the interests of on topic discussion, how long, realistically, would it take for the genophage cure to take effect? ME3 will take place a few years in the future, right? 

[Stazro]

Nightwriter wrote...
Oh yes, and in the interests of on topic discussion, how long, realistically, would it take for the genophage cure to take effect? ME3 will take place a few years in the future, right? 

Even if the fertility rate would instantly go back to normal, even Krogans need to grow before they become the fighting machines they are known as. I strongly doubt that there will pass enough time until ME3 to allow us use a recovering krogan population against the reaper invasion. Shepard probably would looking forward to retirement by then

[Nightwriter]

Then it is exactly as I thought. I'd think you wouldn't see changes for at least another generation. And we all know how long a single krogan generation is.

[Collider]

Roleplaying wise, I don't think the Krogans are ready. They need to demonstrate that they have the capacity to live in peace (the fact that they were so warlike is what got them into the mess in the first place). So far they have not. Krogan culture needs to change, and it's not going to happen overnight.



Metagamewise, it seems pretty obvious. If Wrex is alive, curing the genophage will have the most benefit. If Wrex is dead, curing the genophage will have less benefit.



Basically

Wrex + Cure = "Good"

Wrex + No Cure = Okay

Wreave + Cure = Not good

Wreave + No Cure = Not good

[Nightwriter]

Wrex even says he doesn't intend to change their culture. I didn't know how to take this, really. I approve of his reforms, but if the krogan don't change their actual nature, will they ever be worthy of the cure?

[Rivercurse]

They already began to naturally adapt to the genophage once, they will do it again. The krogan species will endure whether you cure them or not.



My personal opinion is that it's none of humanities business what happened hundreds of years ago, and we should let it be without getting ourselves involved.

[philiposophy]

I think what ought not to be forgotten is that we don't have anything that might cure the genophage yet. Maelon's data impressed Mordin in how much he had done, but it was still a long way off a cure.



It is not at all certain that whether the genophage is cured is something that will happen within the time frame of Shepard's trilogy.

[mineralica]

I believe that krogans should solve problems for themselves. They shouldn't be toys for salarians or Shepard.

So perfect choice for me - produce cure, then give it to Wrex. I trust to his wisdom

[pf17456]

I think curing the genophage = a whole lot of pissed off Krogans looking for payback. Probably wouldn't be good to be either Turian or Salarian.

[Big I]

mineralica wrote...

I believe that krogans should solve problems for themselves. They shouldn't be toys for salarians or Shepard.
So perfect choice for me - produce cure, then give it to Wrex. I trust to his wisdom

This. Ethically, the idea that you extend the right to reproduce only to those who have proven themselves "civilised" is horrific.

The genophage was a war crime. End it.

[Isaidlunch]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

This. Ethically, the idea that you extend the right to reproduce only to those who have proven themselves "civilised" is horrific.

The genophage was a war crime. End it.

War crime or not, if the Krogans decide to start another rebellion then the blood of all the people they kill is on your hands. Is that worth being ethically right? I certainly don't think so.

[Big I]

Kazanth wrote...

War crime or not, if the Krogans decide to start another rebellion then the blood of all the people they kill is on your hands. Is that worth being ethically right? I certainly don't think so.

There's a Citadel fleet watching Tuchanka (CDEM) and the planet descriptions and some old Cerberus News reports show that they're there to stop the krogan building a war machine. Furthermore, just because the Rebellions happened once doesn't mean they'll happen again.

The Rebellions weren't just because of krogan biology; they were also because the salarian uplift was focused solely on turning a post-apocalyptic culture into shock troops against the rachni. They militarised an already aggresive species and gave them no social incentive to be anything BUT soldiers.

Are krogan naturally aggresive? Yes. So are turians, batarians, and humans. Should their populations be curtailed to pre-industrial levels because of the First Contact War, the Skyllian Blitz or the (possible) human takeover of the Citadel?