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[ganp0t]

I first thought of this after posting in a different thread on these forums.  Many companies (includeing Bioware) claim to listen to their fans.  But what if a company went one step further?  I propose an experiment in the way games are made.  Basically, the idea would be for Bioware to have their fans vote in polls on their website, and build a game completely out of what the majority voted for.  Every major story and gameplay decision will be voted on.  Bioware's expertise is RPG's, so lets assume that would already be decided.  Fans would decide what era the RPG would be set in, what the main enemy type is, the ending (generalized), who the main character is, many of the side characters, how the antagonist acts, and most of the game mechanics.  Some of the results of the polls would have to be hidden to allow for surprises.  If Bioware had 1 poll every week, then this shouldn't take too long.  It would be very interesting to see how well the game did.  The polls would give Bioware the major info, and they could fill in the gaps from there.  This game could be the first game truely able to say it was made by fans. So, would you like to see Bioware (or any company) try this?  Or will this idea create an abomination so terrible that it would melt the eyes of any who dare to play it?

EDIT:  Just to be clear, the majority vote would rule, the poll options would be determined by Bioware, and choices would not be at all specific (stuff like, does a major companion ever die in the story). 

Also, I just thought of an instance when a major developer did something similar.  In gears of war 3, the devs had a sort of poll or vote, by the fans, to see if one of the side characters should live or die (Carmine, I think).  This is a perfect example of the type of thing I want, and I can't believe I didn't think of it earlier. 

Modifié par ganp0t, 04 novembre 2010 - 11:04 .

[Loerwyn]

No, it would suck terribly. We can't tell them how to do their job, after all, they wouldn't tell us how to do our own respective jobs.

There's a difference between listening to your fans and blatant bending over to aforementioned fans. If they did everything we wanted, there's no guarantee they'd make it work to our satisfaction.

[ganp0t]

I am well aware of the risk of suckage, but I think it should still be tried at least once. If anyone could pull this off, it would be Bioware. Besides, doing this should massively increase the traffic to these forums, and therefore increase interest in Bioware's other games.

[casedawgz]

If they did this, the whole game would be about having sex with Tali and seeing her face.

[Shadowomega23]

First off it has always been a good concept, however with the vast majority of personalities and play styles it is unlikely they could actually hit the broad audiance. Second of all with this a good number of people would likely know parts of the plot long before the game comes out and would likely wait till the game comes down in price just to see how it goes. Third there is a high possiblity people could stuff the polls to get things to go a certain way, IE American Idol and Sanjaya.

Modifié par Shadowomega23, 03 novembre 2010 - 09:53 .

[Loerwyn]

ganp0t wrote...

I am well aware of the risk of suckage, but I think it should still be tried at least once. If anyone could pull this off, it would be Bioware. Besides, doing this should massively increase the traffic to these forums, and therefore increase interest in Bioware's other games.

No, I don't think BioWare should do it, nor "would" they be the company able to do so. They get by on their own Steam (Well, EA's Steam), and their strength in the RPG market, aside from their budget, is their characterisation and story telling. If they're using all these elements that don't naturally gel together, then no amount of BioWare "magic" will fix it.

Sure, someone should try it, but I don't think BioWare are in a position where they would or could do this.

[Crippledcarny]

casedawgz wrote...

If they did this, the whole game would be about having sex with Tali and seeing her face.

This is sadly true.

Modifié par Crippledcarny, 03 novembre 2010 - 09:59 .

[wolfsite]

Something like this would not end well. Too many voices with no direction <Shudder>

[Darthnemesis2]

casedawgz wrote...

If they did this, the whole game would be about having sex with Tali and seeing her face.

[Nerevar-as]

Crippledcarny wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

If they did this, the whole game would be about having sex with Tali and seeing her face.

This is sadly true.

Don´t worry. I guess around 99% of players would probably hate Tali after seeing her face and blame BW for ruining some dream. It´s the problem with masked characters. Unmask  is never up to the hype.

[Shepard Lives]

Are you kidding? It'd be completely insane, and it would suck, for reasons I find quite obvious.

[JRCHOharry]

I'll write the part of the main villain "lord farquaad", who is an evil dude who wants to kill the other dudes and steal their wives for his own pleasure. "Aresh : It'll be beautiful."

Modifié par JRCHOharry, 03 novembre 2010 - 10:19 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Hell no! It would be the Tali-Alistair love-fest that would make those sane on the forums commit suicide.

[addiction21]

Just take a powerdrill to your left temple and save BioWare some time and money. It will get you the same effect. Severe brain damage and possibly death.

[Noir201]

No chance, if you want something thats fan made, and suit your tastes, try making your own mods.

Companys don't have the money nor the backing to do something like that even if they wanted too. looks whats happen to say World of Warcraft due to fans ideas/whining, and whats become of the community as a result

[MrnDvlDg161]

It would end in a disaster.

You can't please all fans --- you just can't. Its impossible. Ever read some threads on here? The technicalities, the nit-picking, the crazy plot ideas, Shooter vs RPG wars, hard core RPG fans vs soft-core --- it would end in a grid lock of fights and flame wars.

Your game would end up being  30 Blue-ray disks long --- and a background/tech book as thick as a dictionary.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 03 novembre 2010 - 11:48 .

[Druss99]

Should a bunch of people who know nothing about making games and who can't agree on what makes an RPG be telling one of the best RPG companies around how to make their games?

Hell yes!! It would in no way end up a giant epic steaming turd that wouldn't even get past the planning stage due to no one being able to agree on anything.

Obviously I'm being sarcastic and find the idea laughably naive.

[Crippledcarny]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
You can't please all fans

YES YOU CAN! I'm very displeased by this!

[Loerwyn]

Noir201 wrote...
looks whats happen to say World of Warcraft due to fans ideas/whining, and whats become of the community as a result

Aside from the fact this made me chuckle as I read it in Toki Wartooth's voice, I don't know what you're getting at.

WoW is the market leader in the MMO scene, and part of that is due to bending to consumer demand, but at the same time they don't bend over fully. There are companies who bend less to demand (and some who bend more), and haven't been as successful as WoW. At the end of the day, one of Blizzard's major selling points is its involvement with the community. If that community wasn't there then Warcraft 3 would never have spawned Dawn of the Ancients, Starcraft wouldn't be anywhere near as important in RTS history and Diablo 2 would have had support dropped a lot sooner.

[Crippledcarny]

I think what Noir201 is getting at, is that over the last 4 years or so Blizzard as been focusing on making the game easier for casuals, which really pissed the hard core players off. And After Wrath came out growth in wow pretty much came to a stop.

[AntiChri5]

By all the flurescent gods of evil that never existed no!

It would be the biggest piece of crap ever invented! We can't even agree on what a freaking inventory is!!

[Loerwyn]

Crippledcarny wrote...

I think what Noir201 is getting at, is that over the last 4 years or so Blizzard as been focusing on making the game easier for casuals, which really pissed the hard core players off. And After Wrath came out growth in wow pretty much came to a stop.

A game can only have a certain share of the market. There comes a point when even the titans stop growing, but it's possible that Cataclysm will bring around new blood.

WoW has not been getting easier for "casuals", though. It's become more accessible to all (Another of WoW's major selling points) and over the years Blizzard have been learning what does or doesn't work. Yes, some classes have it easier than others. Yes, some specs are "better" than others. But easier for casuals? What is a casual? Is it someone who only plays <X hours a week? Someone who doesn't hit the level cap? Someone who doesn't raid? What is a casual player? It's not just "casuals" who've had an easier game, it's pretty much everyone. WotLK was, IMHO, easier to get to grips with than TBC was, but then look what happened when the PvP-esque fight was brought into CC10/25 - Utter chaos.

[Crippledcarny]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

A game can only have a certain share of the market. There comes a point when even the titans stop growing, but it's possible that Cataclysm will bring around new blood.

WoW has not been getting easier for "casuals", though. It's become more accessible to all (Another of WoW's major selling points) and over the years Blizzard have been learning what does or doesn't work. Yes, some classes have it easier than others. Yes, some specs are "better" than others. But easier for casuals? What is a casual? Is it someone who only plays <X hours a week? Someone who doesn't hit the level cap? Someone who doesn't raid? What is a casual player? It's not just "casuals" who've had an easier game, it's pretty much everyone. WotLK was, IMHO, easier to get to grips with than TBC was, but then look what happened when the PvP-esque fight was brought into CC10/25 - Utter chaos.

It doesn't matter if WoW simply did reach their cap of the market. The perception is they only care about the casuals who play. It doesn't have to be true, but it is out there.

And a casual is someone who doesn't put a lot of hours into the game each week, because they can't or because they don't want do. They are also not very good at the game, from an end game raiding or pvp perspective.

The fact is pre BC if you had Epic gear it meant you worked for it. Now you can go into any 5 man and pick up some purples. Some 5mans hard cores even have better loot than raids.

There was a time when a new guild had to start from point A. Now no one even does Naxx 25 in wrath because the loot is so bad vs what you could get from easier places.

And no, the game hasn't got easier for everyone. People doing end game raiding still have to push them selves just as hard, but with every patch the people below them have to work less hard than them to get where they were.

Modifié par Crippledcarny, 04 novembre 2010 - 12:26 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

see?



We're even complaining about the complaints of WOW.



That should just tell you right off the bat how it would go.