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[Pacifien]

I have a confession to make. Actually, I've made it several times: I suck at shooter games.

When I first played ME1, I stuck exclusively to the pistol. Why? Because I had no idea how to use an assault rifle or a shotgun. And people already know what a pain a sniper rifle is early on. The assault rifle kept going off target. The shotgun never seemed to do much damage. The pistol worked well for me. And eventually the pistol, with expert marksman and some spectre gear, becomes an unstoppable beast. I never had any reason to learn another weapon.

Well, I did eventually take on the sniper rifle. I like 'em.

Now, ME1 was essentially my first shooter game. A friend did tell me that shotguns were meant for close quarters. He mentioned that I couldn't just hold the trigger down for the assault rifle, I had to tap it and also compensate for drift. But again, the pistol did exactly what I wanted, so why learn how to use something else?

Unfortunately, I found a cruel beast in ME2 when I discovered that pistols could not actually keep firing forever. I had to learn to aim. As consolation, perhaps, I could use the sniper rifle from the beginning. With time dilation, aiming wasn't a problem. Eventually, I learned how to handle the SMG. It became my surrogate for the pistol, that unstoppable beast again.

Thanks to the guides here teaching me some CQC tactics, I did even figure out how to make use of a shotgun.

But one thing I have not been able to figure out is the assault rifle. I started a soldier playthrough for the first time weeks and weeks ago, but that got put on hold around the time LotSB came out in favor of digging out some older playthroughs to run through the new DLC. Then I kinda lost interest in playing ME2. (Shock!Horror!)

Before I lost interest, I was intent on playing my soldier with the assault rifles, to finally learn how to properly use them. Except then I discovered that it was even easier to use a sniper rifle with adrenaline rush than it was with the time dilation. Suddenly, I had to snipe everything. And when I ran out of bullets, the shotgun came out.

I tried the Mattock, but it was a disaster. I couldn't hit anything. I couldn't figure out if I just wasn't tapping well enough. I couldn't figure out how to aim. Maybe it's the wrong assault rifle for me to learn.

So help me, strategy forum. How do I use an assault rifle? Explain as you would a child who has picked up Halo for the first time ever.

[AntiChri5]

Track them with your reticle, and when things line up squeeze out a burst.

[Pacifien]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Track them with your reticle, and when things line up squeeze out a burst.

But they keep moving!



Well, okay, the last time I actually took out an assault rifle, it was when there were the drones out during LotSB. They're probably not a good enemy for practice. So what's a good assault rifle mission to lay waste?

[AntiChri5]

Those drones are evil.

I can't really think if any particular mission. Just remembe that battle rifles (Mattock, Vindicator) work different to Assault Rifles (Avenger, Collector Assault Rifle, Geth Pulse Rifle)

[Pacifien]

How do they work differently? What situation should I be using one versus the other?

[Sailears]

How do you use the tempest and locust? Avenger, GPR, collector rifle and revenant are not too dissimilar. You've got to be reasonably accurate, be firing for a short period of time (not one shot at a time like shotguns, snipers, pistols, or the mattock and to some extent the vindicator), be able to move your aim while shooting as well as moving yourself to get a better position of attack.

If you're comfortable with the predator and perhaprs the viper, it should be straightforward to transition to the mattock.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

The Assault Rifles fire on full-auto, and tend to spray shots a bit. The Revenant in particular has some bad muzzle climb, so you'll want to be in a bit closer to your enemies to make sure you can maximise the damage.



The Battle Rifles though are somewhere between the Assault Rifle and Sniper Rifle. Now I personally disliked ME2's aiming system at first but I've gotten used ot it now, the worst part is having to lead the target and getting the distances right.



The Mattock is extremely powerful - all you need to do is wait until the target pauses, centre the crosshairs on their chest (or head if you can) and start frantically mashing the left-click mouse button.



Personally I rather like the Assault/Battle Rifles, especially the Mattock. You can even use things like the Mattock in conjunction with Charge, though it's not as effective as shotguns.

[thepiebaker]

the vindicator and mattock is used for longer distances and more percise shots. so if you're adept at hitting the headbox every time those weapons would be ideal for you.



the others are automatic riffles. while accuracy isn't their strong suit they're aimed at a tactic known as spray-and-pray. meaning put as many shots downrange and pray to god that enough hits. atleast that is the tactic with newbies. im a master at using the automatic assault rifles and only switch if the distance calls for another weapon that can shoot father and more accurate, in enters the phalanx and the mantis. use burst shots and carefully pic your targets. use it just like you would use the tempest but be more conservative about your ammo use.



the avenger and collector rifle is pretty damn accurate compared to other assault rifles in games so you can easily hit the headbox every time at the distance the carnifex is best at. the geth pulse rifle and revenant's shots spray out in a wider cone though so either get closer to the target or fire 3-5 shot bursts at your target and aim for the torso.



i rarely miss with the revenant and the only weapon that comes close to it for me is the blackstorm, not the cain because that thing is a waste of heavy weapon ammo

[Crimmsonwind]

I know that the key in ME2 is to fire in controlled bursts, but truthfully I've never liked the assault rifle in either game. I loved the pistol as well, and I found myself happily toting around the Locust SMG in ME2.



The best advice I can give is to have patience, pick up a weapon, and just play around with it a little bit. The key thing to remember with the automatic weapons is to fire in controlled bursts rather than using them as a bullet hose. Controlled bursts will keep the reticule from getting gigantic and rendering the weapon fairly ineffective.



Of course, who needs guns when you've got heavy incineration and tech damage upgraded to it's fullest. >w>

[Mocker22]

Assault rfles do take some practice for sure if your not used to regular shooters. I would recomend trying the Vindicator first seeing as the burst fre and slow fire rate make aiming easier imo. One good thing is that your learning assault rifles with adreniline rush. One thing to alwas remember (and thi is super important on the revenant), just because you can spray doesn't mean thats a good idea. Mattock is pure death if you slowly burst fire it. While frt getting used t it, i sggest sing ARs on stationary targets. Just pop adreneline rush when a couple of them pop up to shoot. a quick triple tap from mattock can decimate shields or armor and the accuracy should still be there after only a couple shots.



P.S. Don't Stress out! the tendency when u get excited is to sart shooting quicker which makes you ess effective. Keep your cool and use different guns until you are in optimal assalt rifle situations. i.e. medium range without tons of moving targets.

[Pacifien]

Curunen wrote...
How do you use the tempest and locust? Avenger, GPR, collector rifle and revenant are not too dissimilar. You've got to be reasonably accurate, be firing for a short period of time (not one shot at a time like shotguns, snipers, pistols, or the mattock and to some extent the vindicator), be able to move your aim while shooting as well as moving yourself to get a better position of attack.

If you're comfortable with the predator and perhaprs the viper, it should be straightforward to transition to the mattock.

Actually, I'd gotten used to using the tempest paired with cloak. Aim really isn't an issue when you're right next to the target.

When I moved from the Avenger to the Vindicator, I did notice a significant drop in my ability to handle the assault rifle. It made me wonder if people kept to the Avenger versus switching to the Vindicator even though I could tell the Vindicator was more powerful. That was when my soldier playthrough with an assault rifle was doomed as I switched to the Mantis for the rest of the mission.

Unfortunately, since I found the Avenger easier to use, it would seem what I'd really prefer is a jump to the GPR, collector rifle, or the Revenant. One of which I can't get, the other two being much later in the game. What I suppose I need to do is force myself to get a handle on the Mattock and Vindicator.

Aiming while shooting and moving is probably the key for me here. Aiming isn't an issue if I'm right next to the enemy (as I am with the Tempest and shotguns) and aiming with the sniper rifle is something I do from a relatively static point.

Anyway, off to restart that Soldier playthrough. Must. Not. Use. Mantis!

[Simbacca]

Have you used the Viper before to quickly decimate a target or it's armor?  Use the Mattock the same way, just at not so long of a range and without the scope.  It is highly accurate.  If the enemy moving around is the issue, wait till they take cover and pop out, as they will be in one stationary place perfect for a the rapid pulling of the trigger, or use AR and slow those moving bastards down.

Other than that, I don't know.  Maybe watch some videos of the Mattock in use.  I'd suggest some of Boz's Adept vids, since he's often shooting fully defended targets with it right from the get go to strip defenses before Warpbombing/Throwing.  Watching videos and analyzing player decisions is what helped me most early on when I was just starting with ME2 Insanity combat and weapon use.

Btw, I play on the 360 as well.

Modifié par Simbacca, 04 novembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[kstarler]

It's hard for me to say because if I remember correctly from other threads, you're playing on console, and I refuse to play shooters on console. I hate trying to aim with a little nob instead of a high sensitivity mouse.

However, if you haven't tried it yet, Heightened AR may make a difference in your ability to use the Mattock. I switched from Hardened to Heightened on my last soldier, and I found it made a HUGE difference in my ability to aim on the move. Granted, it's a drop in DPS because you can't empty a Mattock clip and will get fewer shots off with any of the other assault rifles, but it almost literally makes enemies stand still for 5 seconds. And, there's an extra 40% damage boost over a hardened AR. With 6/6 assault rifle upgrades, I was dropping husk armor with one or two shots with the Mattock, which allowed for a squad mate to freeze them with group Cryo ammo.

One other thing that comes to mind is that it might help to avoid aiming while moving. For me, it's reflexive to want to aim before I pull the trigger, but if you or the target (or both) are moving, aiming could slow you down too much to compensate. Provided the cross hairs are over them, you should still hit, albeit less accurately.

[Praetor Knight]

First, I highly recommend avoiding concussive shot and maxing the passive 2nd after AR, and go for Commando to make using any of the Assault Rifles easier. As a soldier, either lvl4 AR is a must to max first. Although the soldier has more health than other classes, the class must depend on all of its weapons.

I also love the GPR for the accuracy and you almost have to micro the ammo powers for the soldier to drop enemies. I struggled with the Vindicator's ammo and burst fire, and with the revenant's accuracy
but I also love the Mattock for the DPS carnage once you get comfortable using it.

With the assault rifles I recommend using them close to mid-range. For any long range fight you might as well switch to the sniper rifle since assault rifles deal less damage at long-range.

I've found myself using the entire arsenal that the soldier has at it's disposal. I love the mantis early game then I've gone with the Viper, as a soldier don't be afraid to use everything and you could miss a few shots here and there.

I've also found that sticking with squad disruptor and using heavy warp (I set them to the left and right bumpers on the 360) the soldier can deal with basically everything in game (but of course, lvl 1-2 incendiary helps against health regen).

Hope these observations help.
Edit: Fixing paragraphs:sick:

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 04 novembre 2010 - 04:11 .

[ashwind]

I think the easiest way to use the assault riffle as a soldier would be:

1 ) Spam AR as much as possible

2 ) Enemy shooting at you - AR and return fire - since they are shooting at you, they should not be moving (or moving sideways). Riffles like Mattock has very good stopping power - enemies maybe stagger by it, making successive shots easier. Just watch your health

3 ) Shoot enemies who are facing you.

4 ) If you are used to sniper riffles, I suggest the Vindicator - it can work like a sniper riffle without a scope. AR - Pop from cover - click mouse once 3-round burst and return to cover. Once you get use to it, you can shoot more aggressively,

Modifié par ashwind, 04 novembre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Tony Gunslinger]

kstarler wrote...

It's hard for me to say because if I remember correctly from other threads, you're playing on console, and I refuse to play shooters on console. I hate trying to aim with a little nob instead of a high sensitivity mouse.

I play on both platforms and I actually prefer the controller because I like the feel of buttons and rubber instead of keyboard and mouse (reminds me of work). But yeah, I know, a lot my friends aren't very 'thumb-savvy' so I recommend them to try this out:

http://www.kontrolfr...CFQ915QodzH7RQQ

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

If you have the Collector Assault Rifle, I recommend trying to get a feel for the weapon class with that. It muzzle climbs much less than the other full-auto assault rifles, and while its accuracy is the only real pro that it has, it's an excellent training tool for you to learn how to aim while both you and your enemy is moving.

[Atmosfear3]

Learn to milk the triggers by firing full auto for 3-4 seconds, let go so the reticule returns to normal, acquire new target and repeat. You should also get a feel for how often you need to reload. If you know you only squeeze out bursts of 5 before you are empty, you might want to reload after 4 bursts.



The semi-autos function exactly like pistols so that should be pretty self-explanatory.

[kstarler]

Out of curiosity Pacifien, what difficulty are you playing on? It may be beneficial to play through on a low difficulty (Casual/Normal) to get a good feel for the assault rifle, before cranking up to Hardcore/Insanity. If you're already on a low difficulty, I would definitely suggest giving Heightened Adrenaline Rush a try if you haven't, because the damage reduction you lose from Hardened will be minimal, and, as I stated earlier, it makes aiming while moving much easier.

Edit: Adrenaline Rush and Assault Rifle have the same abbreviation (AR). For clarity, I typed both out.

Edit again: @ Gunslinger: I do have friends who prefer the controller as well, but there are other reasons I prefer a keyboard and mouse. That's just one of them.

Modifié par kstarler, 04 novembre 2010 - 09:06 .

[Loki330]

From someone who's played *alot* of FPS'ers:

As mentioned there's actually two different types of weapon in the assault rifle catagory (arguable 3 if you count the revenant). There's the more traditional 'battle rifle rifle' type guns (Read: Vindicator and Mattock) and then there's Assault Rifles proper.

With the Vindicator and Mattock, treat them like 'light sniper rifles'; get in cover, and tap the fire key. Don't tap it as quickly as you can; you'll just end up spraying and wasting ammo. The speed you can tap them depends on this distance-at long range you'll naturally have to wait for the crosshair to recentre, and if they're close you can really unload the gun into them.

Assault rifles: These are the tricky ones. Pretty arsey to learn but once you get a feel for them you'll not just be set for ME2 but any shooter that involves accuracy models.

The general rule for the autoamtics is this: Short. Controlled. Bursts.

With practice you can tap the mouse quickly enough to fire off 1-2 shots. The closer the target, the longer you can burst and if they're close enough you can just empty the gun. The better you are, the further that distance you can do that. With practice you'll get a feel for ranges and how the recoil of that gun works.

Really though? The best way of all to make sure you'll get better? Suck it up, get the assault rifle out, and just keep practicing. You'll get it sooner or later.

Modifié par Loki330, 04 novembre 2010 - 11:47 .

[Solgineer]

I see where you are coming from, and even I prefer many other guns over assault rifles like a semi automatic rifle, sniper rifle, shotgun, handguns and even sub machine guns (seeing as they are mostly exclusive use for close range and medium in bursts).

I'll keep it short and simple enough as a basic rule - fire in bursts from long distance you should be okay. Medium to close means you can slowly start to let down on the trigger and let it rip as you get closer.

Modifié par Solgineer, 04 novembre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Cailean]

Do like they do in the militairy: SHORT bursts of 3-5 bullets. Don't spray around like the people do in Call of Duty... and try to use them on medium range, they simply suck when enemies are close...

Modifié par Cailean, 05 novembre 2010 - 08:25 .

[All-a-Mort]

Cailean wrote...

Do like they do in the militairy: SHORT bursts of 3-5 bullets. Don't spray around like the people do in Call of Duty... and try to use them on medium range, they simply suck when enemies are close...

I thought most militaries specifically instructed soldiers not to fire in bursts, but rather fire quick consecutive shots to maintain accuracy and not waste ammunition (unless using an LMG or MG).

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Play first person shooters for three years it changes your perspective and makes aiming really freakin' easy. Actually come to think of it three years is a bit much.
Well I did start gaming with shooters rather than RPGs so I'm not one to judge.

When it comes to aiming, pratice makes perfect; don't give up. We all have our crappy aiming days.

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 05 novembre 2010 - 10:13 .