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[TuringPoint]

But how would it be a betrayal of justice? By the same logic Samara should not lawfully be allowed to leave with Shepard, if she'd done something that Justice forbade her to leave the station. Samara never said anything that I remember about enforcing her own imprisonment.

If only we had a reference about the code, then we could argue about its moral legitimacy.

About accountability:  Further, I would suggest that Samara is, while not accountable to anyone else, accountable to something more consistent than a governmental body with "oversight."  I don't think it needs to be argued that governments can't be held accountable; they can, although it would be more difficult than with Samara.  

Frequently governmental accountability amounts to pressure to wrong people in silly ways which neither society nor the letter of the law really calls for.  Samara would never have such pressure.

Modifié par Alocormin, 10 novembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Commander Kurt]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Samara didn't elect to go with Shepard because she heard nice things about him and how good he was. Samara wanted to use a semi-loophole in her code to get around having to murder a police station doing its job and still keep on Morinth's trail.

A nice loophole to do what she wanted, rather than what the Code demanded, but a loophole that won't apply to Shepard and his crew past the mission.

As you are stating yourself, Samara does not agree with her code at all times. She will follow it, but she does not always want to. She herself has a paragon mindset, her code does not. So she likes Para-Shep more than Ren-Shep, no real surprise there. However, should she not still act according to her code after she is relieved by Shep? Well, she should but we don't know what her code states regarding this situation. She threatens that there will be problems if you involve her in something very dishonest, and it appears that she feels Ren-Shep has and Para-Shep hasn't. I really couldn't say if she is right without more intimate knowledge of her code.

[Moiaussi]

casedawgz wrote...

The cop on Illium wasn't terribly straight laced; if it was as easy as letting Samara go she wouldn't be in such a bind, as she'd simply let her go. The implication is that doing so would be a betrayal of the code of justice by which police are bound, and thus a breach in Samara's code.

"Thus a breach of Samara's code" does not follow. That is just another assumption regarding the code with nothing but speculation to back it up.

[Moiaussi]

Alocormin wrote...

About accountability:  Further, I would suggest that Samara is, while not accountable to anyone else, accountable to something more consistent than a governmental body with "oversight."  I don't think it needs to be argued that governments can't be held accountable; they can, although it would be more difficult than with Samara.  

Frequently governmental accountability amounts to pressure to wrong people in silly ways which neither society nor the letter of the law really calls for.  Samara would never have such pressure.

Psst: The Asari have no formal government. They, as a populace, vote on issues as they arise. It is literally a true democracy.

As such, she is just as accountable as the entire police system. The majority of Asari have voted both legitimate parallel forms of justice.

[Moiaussi]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Samara didn't elect to go with Shepard because she heard nice things about him and how good he was. Samara wanted to use a semi-loophole in her code to get around having to murder a police station doing its job and still keep on Morinth's trail.

A nice loophole to do what she wanted, rather than what the Code demanded, but a loophole that won't apply to Shepard and his crew past the mission.

As you are stating yourself, Samara does not agree with her code at all times. She will follow it, but she does not always want to. She herself has a paragon mindset, her code does not. So she likes Para-Shep more than Ren-Shep, no real surprise there. However, should she not still act according to her code after she is relieved by Shep? Well, she should but we don't know what her code states regarding this situation. She threatens that there will be problems if you involve her in something very dishonest, and it appears that she feels Ren-Shep has and Para-Shep hasn't. I really couldn't say if she is right without more intimate knowledge of her code.

Again, I really want to know how people know the code in enough detail to know whether Samara is skirting it or obeying it strictly. The majority of opinions on the code being renegade are based on comments from characters that have no clue as to the actual code and are just spouting folk tales of Justicars.

[Dean_the_Young]

Because this thread has been consuming too much time from IRL at a time I don't have enough to spare, I'm giving the courtesy of announcing my bow out from this thread from this point on.