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[Christmas Ape]

I get it, but Mass Effect 2 Shepard is rebuilt from a ruined mass of flash-frozen flesh and implanted to hell and back. She has the muscle mass of a coma patient and the raw physical power to do search and rescue barehanded. I kind of like it.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I don't think Shepard needs more muscles, she's a cyborg. She can fire a port-o-nuke as well as a shotgun that would break a humans arm. Probably has all kinds of strength enhancing hardware in her.



Maybe that could explain the "something's stuck up there" walking animation; too much physical enhancement.

[ShepSoujaJosh]

lol why i liek haven hoooot ladies to look at dun want muscular women in mi games!!!! dont women want to look hot too?? lol!!

[Christmas Ape]

ShepSoujaJosh wrote...
lol why i liek haven hoooot ladies to look at dun want muscular women in mi games!!!! dont women want to look hot too?? lol!!

It looks highly inappropriate for you to be discussing a game rated 'Mature'. I realize the General Discussion forum doesn't require game registration, but I'd bet you've got about six years before you're allowed to buy Mass Effect 2.

[CalJones]

Muscles can be hot.

I definitely find femme Shep too skinny (especially in ME1) - she has stick arms and a neck like a giraffe. I find it hard to believe that a woman who can throw a fully armoured Kaiden over her shoulder on Virmire can look that scrawny.

I'm a woman who has been working out for over 20 years now - I'm not bodybuilder huge but I'm athletic. I find it actually bothersome to play a female in ME because the bodyshape bothers me. The only reason I do is for the Garrus romance.

[Elite Midget]

Well... I can't argue against that. She's hot.



I personally prefer muscular and athletic woman over the ones that... Aren't so active or are so skinny that'll be blown away by the wind.

[mineralica]

I can agree when femShep with her actual body is an engineer or adept.

But my main is a vanguard. So punching everyone when termal clips in Claymore is over is usual business - and effective close combat somehow requires weight. Let alone headbumping Krogans. I think that if Shepard with her physical condition arrived on Normandy at first time and claim herself as close combat specialist, Joker would die from laughter.

[Skirlasvoud]

mattylee10 wrote...

You have to take into effect that Shepard like all alliance marines has undergone genetic therapy which I would assume increase her relative fitness/strength/reflexes without adding additional body mass. Also the Cerberus rebuild included a fair amount of cybernetics which further increase Shepard's capabilities without adding extra bulk.

This post pretty much sums up what a lot of people are using as justification for Femshep's relatively "lithe" bodyshape. And I agree, it's a good argument and I concidered it before I created my main post.


However, it doesn't really make sense from an efficiency stand point:  

More muscles means more strength 
More genetics and cybernetic manipulation means more strength

So why should one of these exclude the other? If I would engineer my soldier, I might as well give them both at the same time regardless of gender. More muscles + cybernetics = even more strength amplified


Kind of silly to go easy on Femshep and give her "just" the genetic and cybernetic modifications, just so she can stay more "feminine". Not the military way of doing things, wouldn't you agree?  She doesn't need to win classic barbie beauty pagents and it doesn't mean she can't be charismatic at the same time.


And I agree with people that she still looks "fit" in her dress, but still...  I think there's something missing. And the way she walks doesn't have to do anything with her bodybuild, those things are mutually exclusive from eachother. Bioware simply didn't animate her properly because they're used to animating a model in her armor. Don't let the way she walks discourage you or detract. 

[mya11]

it's horrible ! no musculature for shepard women she is a not a men !

[Christmas Ape]

Skirlasvoud wrote...
This post pretty much sums up what a lot of people are using as justification for Femshep's relatively "lithe" bodyshape. And I agree, it's a good argument and I concidered it before I created my main post.
However, it doesn't really make sense from an efficiency stand point:  
More muscles means more strength 
More genetics and cybernetic manipulation means more strength
So why should one of these exclude the other? If I would engineer my soldier, I might as well give them both at the same time regardless of gender. More muscles + cybernetics = even more strength amplified
Kind of silly to go easy on Femshep and give her "just" the genetic and cybernetic modifications, just so she can stay more "feminine". Not the military way of doing things, wouldn't you agree?  She doesn't need to win classic barbie beauty pagents and it doesn't mean she can't be charismatic at the same time.

All of this is probably true. Commander Shepard, Alliance Marine, was almost certainly more solidly built.
But that Shepard died and spent the better part of two years in a medical coma from which she was awakened prematurely. Perhaps they hadn't gotten to the muscle growth process of the rebuild when everything went to hell.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Female Shepard need to be a bit muscular like Wonder Woman     

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:18 .

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Musclar women=Rather Scary. It would scare away half the femshep fanbase.

[lovgreno]

mya11 wrote...

it's horrible ! no musculature for shepard women she is a not a men !

There are many big and strong women in real life and their extra musclemass does not make them men in any way. There is no need to stick to female stereotypes to make Shepard a female.

[deleted]

both Male and Female Shepard need to look like the second picture.  To stop the reapers, we need to sacrifice beauty in favor of strength. 

Modifié par deleted, 06 novembre 2010 - 02:08 .

[lovgreno]

deleted wrote...

both Male and Female Shepard need to look like the second picture.  To stop the reapers, we need to sacrifice beauty in favor of strength. 

Muscleboobs FTW eh? Flex those unfit reapers back to darkspace.

[Sable Phoenix]

I would like my femShep to be a little more defined.  I stumbled across this picture a while ago:



I don't remember where I found it or who it is, but the instant I saw it I thought "That's my Shepard's body type exactly!"

[Xerxes52]

It would be great if femshep had her own body type and skeleton (like some of your allies in ME2), also if she had a default face based on an existing person (such as Vanderloo for male Shepard, or Strahovski for Miranda).

[CalJones]

I'd just be happy if I could look less like a lollipop head.

[mattylee10]

There was talk of a body build slider fro the character creation in dragon age 2, perhaps that should be incorporated into mass effect then everyone will be happy (apart from those that want really weird looking sheps)

[Skirlasvoud]

Christmas Ape wrote...

All of this is probably true. Commander Shepard, Alliance Marine, was almost certainly more solidly built.
But that Shepard died and spent the better part of two years in a medical coma from which she was awakened prematurely. Perhaps they hadn't gotten to the muscle growth process of the rebuild when everything went to hell.

Could be, but that's dipping into supposition just as much as I could. I'd say that if Cerberus claims that's "she's rebuild completely like the original" that this includes muscle mass. There's already several therapies in development for both astronauts and the handicapped, to stimulate muscle mass without exercise. I'm sure Cerberus could manage something like that in the 22st century, especially when they're trying to bring back a super soldier.

But regardless of speculation, any fiction should strive towards credibility and Shep's form should match function. It simply makes the most sense when styling a story. Giving Femshep more muscle mass makes it easier for me to suspend disbelief when she slams a Krogan to the ground. Femshep should have a credible amount of bulk.  

[Skirlasvoud]

mineralica wrote...

I can agree when femShep with her actual body is an engineer or adept.
But my main is a vanguard. So punching everyone when termal clips in Claymore is over is usual business - and effective close combat somehow requires weight.

And

Tchones13 wrote...

May ME3's customization system be flexible enough then, body-sliders and all, to accomodate all kinds of taste.

I think a union of the two is a a solution that makes everyone happy: Give Femshep a body type according to the role the player picks for her.

I think players who pick a vanguard or soldier role for their Femshep, are accepting or apreciative of rugged women. So, give those two classes models with more bulk.
Those who don't like to see something like that are more likely to roll more passive classes for their femsheps, so those could be given leaner bodytypes.  


I just hope that Bioware can bring up that kind of dedication, but if rumours are to be believed, they are already doing something similar for "The old Republic" and "Dragon Age 2": Giving bodytypes apropriate to the class that is chosen...

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 06 novembre 2010 - 06:47 .

[Shotokanguy]

I wouldn't mind some more tweaks to her body shape, but her legs in the Kasumi dress look nice...

[SimonTheFrog]

Yeah i don't think a body shape slider is necessary. My guess is that a vast majority of players can live with a shape similar to what we have right now. Especially if the animation is corrected and the armor is maybe more like ME1 again (meaning light, medium and heavy depending on your class). So, i can pick a slender armor even as soldier if that's what i think looks best (which, coincidently i do). I currently play a female infiltrator... and really, it's not so much the body that is wrong, its the football gear!

[Chloe_W1971]

mya11 wrote...

it's horrible ! no musculature for shepard women she is a not a men !

What, no muscles at all? How, pray tell, is she going to walk, talk, pull the trigger...?

Also, I fail to see how this is horrible.



Or this.



Edit: Forgot to make my point - That is what my mind wants to see everytime I look at my Shepard. Well toned, reasonably muscled.

Modifié par Chloe_W1971, 06 novembre 2010 - 07:55 .