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[spacehamsterZH]

Evangeline Lilly's a good example too. She's not as muscular as some of the light bodybuilding women that've been posted here, but definitely toned with strong looking arms, and I'll fight any man who doesn't think she's hot.

[SimonTheFrog]

Huh? I looked Lilly up (didn't know her... not a "lost"-watcher) and even though i agree that she's good looking i can't see how she's particular "strong" as in military background or punching Shadow Brokers.  Just normal for a girl. A bit more athletic doesn't hurt, i guess.

[CalJones]

To be fair that's not a great picture of her - this one is better (shows some deltoid and oblique definition).







Jessica Biel also has a nice fit shape without being bulky.







To the uneducated guys who think muscles are gross, muscles are what give women shape. Without them you just get yucky "skinny fat" chicks who are scrawny but flabby. Muscles are sexy.

[ReiSilver]

I wouldn't mind if Shep had a bit more weight to her arms, the Kasumi dress shows nice definition in her shoulders though.

Women is video games tend to look horribly un-realistic for their proportions most of the time, I usually use a Triathlete as a base for what women in high physical activities should look.

Shepard actually looks pretty close to a lot of the photos google brings up, just a bit more tone in some places we haven't seen since Kaidan's love scene.

[Chloe_W1971]

I agree on the body shape, but...



(OT)



Mine Eyes!!! This... bikini... thing...

Argh! The pain! The PAIN!!!!



(/OT)

[jetwolfprime]

No muscles. Samara's chest, Miri's back side and Jack's face. = I play ladyshep. Or better yet can we just get Jennifer Hale to do the VA for Manshep. The tone of voice is about right and she's a much better VA than the other fellow. That way everyone wins, Manshep's get better VA and Ladyshep's get bigger gunz.

Modifié par jetwolfprime, 07 novembre 2010 - 04:38 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

^ Yes I agree bigger guns not bigger muscles for fshep.

[Christmas Ape]

Skirlasvoud wrote...
Could be, but that's dipping into supposition just as much as I could. I'd say that if Cerberus claims that's "she's rebuild completely like the original" that this includes muscle mass. There's already several therapies in development for both astronauts and the handicapped, to stimulate muscle mass without exercise. I'm sure Cerberus could manage something like that in the 22st century, especially when they're trying to bring back a super soldier.

There's no supposition to the fact Shepard spent almost two years in a medical coma, and was awakened before her face started putting itself back together.
I'm entirely aware of muscle stimulation therapies that wouldn't require her to be conscious, and they're likely why she can stand up off the examination table at all. I suggest that as the process is clearly not over, there might be a step or two that got missed.

But regardless of speculation, any fiction should strive towards credibility and Shep's form should match function. It simply makes the most sense when styling a story. Giving Femshep more muscle mass makes it easier for me to suspend disbelief when she slams a Krogan to the ground. Femshep should have a credible amount of bulk.

Well, there are perfectly reasonable explanations. One can complain to no effect that Shepard should use a completely unique character model in a game that was published almost a year ago and/or change her look dramatically for the last game as compared to the first two, or find an internally consistent and logical reason that suspends disbelief while accepting the events of the narrative as they occur.
I prefer to suppose as an intellectual exercise than to gripe as an emotional release. YMMV.

[AntiChri5]

All Alliance soldiers recieve genetic modifications. Added to that, zombie cyborg.

[noni22]

here'a a picture of some ww2 marines http://a34.idata.ove...tapochao_lg.jpg
they're elite soldiers and have gone trough the toughest training...i don't see them having schwarzenegger's body. I know that this thread is about femshep, but you get my point

Modifié par noni22, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:43 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

I like the way this thread is going...

To add to the intellectual discussion, I've taken the liberty to give you Eliza Dushku

[Skirlasvoud]

Christmas Ape wrote...
I prefer to suppose as an intellectual exercise than to gripe as an emotional release. YMMV.

Excuse me, but what do you mean to imply by this? I do not want to take offence easily, but I feel the urge to remind you that casting doubt or suspicion over another's faculties or motivations in a personal way that goes as far as to embellish your own, is a faux pas in debate and can be called quite uncivil.

There's no supposition to the fact Shepard spent almost two years in a medical coma, and was awakened before her face started putting itself back together.
I'm entirely aware of muscle stimulation therapies that wouldn't require her to be conscious, and they're likely why she can stand up off the examination table at all. I suggest that as the process is clearly not over, there might be a step or two that got missed.

I have concidered this arguement and can agree that this is a possibility. Its a fact that Femshep has awakened early, true. But, what is left unclear, is what concequences this fact has. And to these we can both speculate equally well. You argue that she may have lost muscle mass, while I propose that Cerberus may have given her therapy and this might not be the case. Both suppositions are valid, since we simply cannot know. It's the reason why we use "could" and "might" so much while argueing. So I propose we move past this point and respect and concider both theories. The result of what we are presented with in-game, is more important than the means when so much remains unclear.

Skirlasvoud wrote...
But regardless of speculation, any fiction should strive towards credibility and Shep's form should match function. It simply makes the most sense when styling a story. Giving Femshep more muscle mass makes it easier for me to suspend disbelief when she slams a Krogan to the ground. Femshep should have a credible amount of bulk.

Christmas Ape wrote as a response...
Well, there are perfectly reasonable explanations. - to why shepard looks the way she does - 

We have just seen that there are perfectly reasonable explanations to BOTH bodyshapes.

One can complain to no effect that Shepard should use a completely unique character model in a game that was published almost a year ago and/or change her look dramatically for the last game as compared to the first two...

Isn't it rash to say that our arguments are to no effect? I wouldn't mind a bit of intellectual exercise and argue in favour.

... or find an internally consistent and logical reason that suspends disbelief while accepting the events of the narrative as they occur.

Right, let's get back to the case I was trying to build before it got swept off the table without little concideration. Christmas Ape, I respect your opinion and I'm quite impressed by the points you are trying to make. However, if you'd feel like it, I'd like to continue debate.

Wouldn't you say that Bioware has tried to create a realistic, believable universe with all the background information and codex information it has given us? In the words of the immortal Mark Twaine: "The only difference between reality and fiction, is that fiction needs to be credible." I'd propose that Bioware has done exactly that, so I would move towards putting as much realism in the game as possible. 
If you can agree with this assertion (which is the subjuctive junture in my argument, rather than a logical one, so one might disagree on basis of personal preference), then suspending disbelief and creating a Femshep character model that is as realistic as possible, becomes a logical conclusion and a constructive direction, rather than one man's emotional gripe. Because more visible muscle mass frequenly equals the appearance and indeed, the capacity for more combat prowess in the real world, it therefore becomes a substantiated claim that Sheppard should have more muscle mass.

The only flaw I can see in my own reasoning, is that Bioware is in fact, not trying to create a fictional world that is as realistic as possible. On a argumentative level, anyone may feel free to berate me on any point that shows flaw in my fact or logic and I would be delighted to continue debate.
But whatever, this is simply how I've rationally substantiated my desire.


And then there is the simple matter of taste, because more than realism, Bioware has tried to create a world that is enjoyable to a majority. But, that's another point alltogether and everyone is free to express their own emotional opinion.

I for one am happy to see a majority in favour of a more muscled Femshep. 

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 07 novembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[Skirlasvoud]

noni22 wrote...

here'a a picture of some ww2 marines http://a34.idata.ove...tapochao_lg.jpg
they're elite soldiers and have gone trough the toughest training...i don't see them having schwarzenegger's body. I know that this thread is about femshep, but you get my point

Quite true noni22

Soldiers ussually don't look like bodybuilders and there's a good reason why Maleshep doesn't look that way. Thanks for presenting it.

Though I think (and I'm really not sure) that the strain of a soldier's life really isn't the same on a woman's body then it is on a man.  
First, most women we grow up with seeing, work out little to begin with. Most supermodels don't do any exersice other than lose weight.
 If they do it's already visible and I wonder what happens if they do exactly the same things as a man. I wouldn't call a femshep that looks more relatively more toned and beefed up than the Maleshep, completely beyond the realm of possibility


Can't explain Gina Carano's body any other way.  http://i557.photobuc...GinaCarano2.jpg

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 07 novembre 2010 - 05:05 .

[hong]

I too agree with the OP. And while we're talking about it, better/custom animations for female characters all around would also be good, rather than using the same animations for guys and girls alike.

[CARL_DF90]

A more toned, and tight physique would be great, believable, and appropriate. A beefed up, body-builder physique would be a bit much and kind of out of place too.

[spacehamsterZH]

AwesomeName wrote...

I get that it can be explained that her muscles are denser from whatever genetic enhancements she's gotten

Honestly, I think that's BS. If that kind of enhancement is the reason why Femshep's so skinny, then how come all the male soldiers in the galaxy have exactly the kind of physique you'd expect? Because every scientist in the ME universe is a drooling fanboy virgin, so they made the enhancement only affect women? Hello?

And yeah, real soldiers don't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger because that kind of bulk isn't practical, but all the Marines in that pic look plenty athletic to me.

[Trix-Rabbit]

Soldier like shepard would be training for lean muscle mass and cardio....much like an mma fighter, otherwise she would tire out way to fast from all that muscle.

[Kogaion]

ok ..i couldn't stay away of this ...but if you wanna see muscle and wanna look like you can handle heavy lifting play a male char ...majority of FemSheps players plays as female because they wanna see some nice girl infront of them ..they dont want realism...because in reality ( if there was one like ME ) a FemShep could only be doing things shepard does by being an Adept or an Engeneer..thats it ..no female can cary a 39 kilos Widow sniper among other heavy wepons and armor...or cary so many other wepons like soldier does ..not to mention killing a krogan by punching him to death no way a female body can resist to a close combat encounter ..because if it does thats not a female body ..it becomes to male ...so playing a FemShep is not very realistic if you wanna go for that

[AntiChri5]

^^^^^^^Retarded troll is retarded^^^^^^^

[Fro_McJoe]

Well its not her fault. I mean with out things like steroids, testosterone, or HGH, women can't get as big or strong as men naturally. But she's clad in semi-robotic armor so it doesn't really matter. The suit carries the weapons and does the running and steadies the guns, the person essentially just tells it what to do.

Modifié par Fro_McJoe, 07 novembre 2010 - 10:47 .

[spacehamsterZH]

AwesomeName wrote...

Like I said, I think she should look more muscular - but thanks for glossing over that part! 

I thought we were both agreeing that the whole genetic engineering angle isn't really a good reason for Femshep to be too skinny, I just added to what you already said. Didn't mean to be confrontational or nuffin'.

[nremies1]

noni22 wrote...

here'a a picture of some ww2 marines http://a34.idata.ove...tapochao_lg.jpg
they're elite soldiers and have gone trough the toughest training...i don't see them having schwarzenegger's body. I know that this thread is about femshep, but you get my point

They look like that because endurance is FAR more important than raw physical strength to infantrymen...specifically, the ability to sprint and recover rapidly.  Sprint to cover, get your breathing under control and fire your weapon.  Get up, sprint to cover, repeat.

Even to lug around the heavier current-day stuff like an M240 or a Javelin, you don't have to be a giant.  You've just got to be 'strong enough' and that's leaner and harder than a regular person, yes, but not to the degree some people seem to think.

I say it's unnecessary to change Shepard's body type around, especially since she's not carrying that much into combat anyway.

[Skirlasvoud]

AwesomeName wrote...

Well, let's not get our wires crossed - did you see the rest of that sentence? 

SpacehamsterZH did read the rest of the post and he's/she's agreeing with you. He just just re-opinionated on a counter-argument you already presented and argued against, not using it as an excuse to take the words out of your mouth and disagree. It's all good. Sometimes being on forums and hurridly posting makes you look past another's intend, but it's no biggy.  

Phew, I'm hoping I didn't sour the mood on this thread by setting a harsh tone in my debate against Christmas Ape.


Here's some more pictures of beautifull women to lighten the mood: http://www.figurerx....issAmerica2.jpg
Those two were actually runner ups in Miss America's 2009 beauty pageants... Hhhmm, all of a sudden I have the feeling I'm no longer a minority when it comes to liking that kind of bodytype. Peeps are cramping my style here.   

Fro_McJoe wrote...

Well its not her fault. I mean with out things like steroids, testosterone, or HGH, women can't get as big or strong as men naturally. But she's clad in semi-robotic armor so it doesn't really matter. The suit carries the weapons and does the running and steadies the guns, the person essentially just tells it what to do.

I didn't know that the armor is semi-robotic... I read in the codexes that it corrects aim and offers motor support, but I guess that if this is true, than that might truly blow my case out of the water...  Still, no way to be completely sure of that, right? Besides codexes, do you have any links to substantiate your claim that it really is fully-semi robotic and not just suportive Fro_McJoe? I'd love to do some research into that.

Anyway, well perceived!