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[Esbatty]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Darkstar87uk wrote...

Fem sheps look like barbie dolls they need to be like this

thats not a woman,thats a tranny!!     

see my previous post on page 2,Wonder Woman is a good example...

Modest please remove at least 12 of the damn pics in your sig, they are monsterously huge and really really useless. I understand you are proud and excited of the things you like but damn if they are not MASSIVE and obnoxious. Thank you.

[Ziggy]

I'd love to see femshep with some more muscle.

[Ross42899]

No. FemShep looks good as she is. No changes to her appearance please. Just fix the "male walking" animation for FemShep in ME3.

[Skirlasvoud]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Anyone who is actually in the military right now will tell you that endurance matters more than quick bursts of strength. That doesn't mean having a skinny distance runner physique, but carrying around a 60 lb ruck for many miles on a march takes its toll. It's about balance. If you look at the bodies of Navy SEALS, they are athletic, but aren't usually bodybuilder types. Having too much muscle mass makes it difficult to go long distances.

Example: http://www.udtseal.n...on1992SEALs.jpg

I'm confused as to whether your example is supposed to help, or hinder my case. Those men all look fitter and more muscular for their gender and proffesion than Femshep currently looks for hers. To compare to my "Bodytype" refferences, they all look like male heptathlon Athletes, quite clearly. Femshep doesn't look like a heptathlon Athlete, but should.

[Skirlasvoud]

Warikz wrote...

She could use more definition in her arms for sure, her arms are so scrawny. As for the rest of it, I dunno. when you put her in the tight fitting casual clothes you can see there is a lot of muscular development in her back and thighs (which are different from the basic female Human model used), both of which you could say are indicative of her profession. Her shoulders seem powerful and we never see her abdomen so there is no way to tell how that looks whilst the photos clearly show the athletes abdomen. Femshep overall looks pretty similar in stature to the athlete the OP posted i'd say. She is definitely thicker set than average. My complaint is the arms really, bulk up the upper arms in particular.

I agree to the rest of her body. It's not like I have a good way of telling either. I just think there's something missing and when people comment on "the arms" I agree. Maybe you're right and it is just that.

Warikz wrote...

One thing I wholly disagree with is that Femshep is somehow indicative of how video games portray women. I'd say Femshep is probably the only strong female character in video games right now who doesn't have quote a sexy body unquote. Her looks are alright, not fantastic, but Bioware has focused more on the personality rather than making her some big breasted, cleavage showing bimbo.

Agreed and applauded. I didn't mean to turn her into a sex symbol and she isn't one right now, but do note that "hyper-sexualized" and "I think that's sexy" are two different things. She does looks alright and just like you, I agree agree what she doesn't look fantastic. (which I read as: "not quite there" if I may be so bold.) For that, I think she needs a bit more muscle, and while that does not need hyper-sexualize her, I find that incidentally sexy. 

Not sure what you mean about personality though. I think she's horribly bland, which I can't blame her for. Main characters such as her, like Gordon Freeman that proceeded her, purposely aren't written in many personal thraits so that the audience can immerse themselves better. True, not all personal characters have that, but I think Femshep fits this bill. She's exactly what we want her to be, which robs her of flavour.

Warikz wrote...

Also to bear in mind, you don't have to be ridiculously muscled to be a soldier. The current Miss England is a soldier, and she isn't ridiculously muscled:


http://i.dailymail.c...906_468x636.jpg

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/08/article-1225912-071E90AF000005DC-955_233x448.jpg

...and yes, she has served on the front lines in Iraq.

I can't seem to talk my way around that. She doesn't look like a soldier to me, but I'm not about to doubt that she has served in the front lines... or had training.
And do note that she's been called "GI barbie" by her fellows...

Still, these are glossed up pictures. I'm not sure they can be called representative of female marines and even if barely, Katrina Hodge is being sexualized. This makes her a bad candidate for our case against the hyper-sexualization of women that we don't  want to see in Femshep, no?

I haven't been able to find one good picture of a female marine in real-life physical action that shows a good part of her body, without spotlights or makeup on. The only thing I've done is deduct and argue based on research, case studies and comparisons between athletes and  female marines, which I'm fine with and makes a pretty solid case in my opinion, towards more musculature.

In the end however, it's all about personal prefference and the interpretation of eachother's arguments.

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 19 novembre 2010 - 03:19 .

[Skirlasvoud]

One last post before I'll shut up for a while: I'm going to voice what I think is out of place on Femshep right now.



Femshep in armor looks fine, I can agree. This is mine when put into armor  and she looks decent enough because the armor does a lot to keep up appearances.




However, when comparing this:



To this:


A few subtle differences occur to me. Sheppard needs:

- Better muscles in the arm. Many have said this. They now look like twigs.

- Arms that hang slightly further from her torso. Women's arms who have more musculature on the torso, hang to the sides of their bodies more, because the shoulders and flanks are firmer and drive eachother apart. Femshep looks like she has her arms pasted directly to her slim torso.

- Tweak her shoulder and neck mass to have more definition and slightly more bulk and width. The current Femshep in regular attire has neither an hourglass shape, or a V shape. She has a ^ shape. Quite profound in her roughneck casual attire.

- Larger waistline. Only women who follow a diet can manage Shep's waistline. Women who work out get toned flanks, that diminish the hourshape figure somewhat.

- Femshep actually has a little bit of stomach when viewed from the side. Again, actual abs should flatten her out.

- Shorten the neck, because it draws too much attention right now and makes her look lanky.

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 19 novembre 2010 - 10:51 .

[jolly_rog]

Here's my two cents:

When I was in the Army, the female soldiers I encountered usually had slim, athletic figures. As for me, I wasn't any more muscular than I am now. I didn't look any different from any physically fit civilian, except that I could march 20+ klicks in full battle order and arrive at my destination still able to fight.

Training for combat is completely different from training for an athletic event. You can't take a picture of an female athlete and use it as an example of how a female soldier should look like. You would definitely lose body fat as result of all the training and end up being slightly more muscular, but it's not a drastic difference.

Modifié par jolly_rog, 20 novembre 2010 - 05:07 .

[SithLordExarKun]

One of the reasons why femshep looks slim is because of her height, i'm not sure if people realize that every human in the ME games are the same height and they look at the very least 5'11 + to me.



At that height for a lady especially that is going to give her a long torso and long limbs that looks relatively slim.



My own personal solution? Make her shorter.

[Skirlasvoud]

jolly_rog wrote...

Here's my two cents:

When I was in the Army, the female soldiers I encountered usually had slim, athletic figures. As for me, I wasn't any more muscular than I am now. I didn't look any different from any physically fit civilian, except that I could march 20+ klicks in full battle order and arrive at my destination still able to fight.

Training for combat is completely different from training for an athletic event. You can't take a picture of an female athlete and use it as an example of how a female soldier should look like. You would definitely lose body fat as result of all the training and end up being slightly more muscular, but it's not a drastic difference.

Hhhmmm, noted.

I'm not saying it was irrevocable research. It hinged on the assumption that the two are similar, but if you're saying that this is a mistakle, than obviously I need to reconsider. I'll take the word of a service man and those Katrina Hodge photos. I'm still puzzled that there's so little material on muscle mass increase in female soldiers. All I have is hear-say.

For now, my "research" simply sounds logical, but on your direction, I'll try digging up a sturdier connection or re-evaluate my data. Will be tricky.

[jolly_rog]

Skirlasvoud wrote...
Hhhmmm, noted.

I'm not saying it was irrevocable research. It hinged on the assumption that the two are similar, but if you're saying that this is a mistakle, than obviously I need to reconsider. I'll take the word of a service man and those Katrina Hodge photos. I'm still puzzled that there's so little material on muscle mass increase in female soldiers. All I have is hear-say.

For now, my "research" simply sounds logical, but on your direction, I'll try digging up a sturdier connection or re-evaluate my data. Will be tricky.

From my experience, what physical training in the Army does well is build up physical and combat fitness, and to a certain degree, burn fat.  Muscles will be more defined due to the fat loss but not necessarily larger.

 

[WidowMaker9394]

I'm okay with any body model as long as Femshep doesn't end up looking like a savage on steroids.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I think it stems from Mass Effect using a standard body shape for all females and one for all males - It's much more obvious in ME1 as the ME2 companions do have their own models and skeletons. I like the idea, but it won't really happen, sadly.

Yeah, I agree it's mainly an artistic thing - probably more of a quirk of the Unreal engine. The human female model has really dinky arms. If you compare ME1 and ME2, Bioware already tried to mask that a bit by changing up the armor and clothing designs.

I agree that it doesn't look too good (unrealistic, in fact - the shoulder joint seems higher than irl). But I think that it could be a limitation of the game engine.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 20 novembre 2010 - 02:45 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

A perfect body for a female soldier...

[Halfdan The Menace]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

A more toned, and tight physique would be great, believable, and appropriate. A beefed up, body-builder physique would be a bit much and kind of out of place too.

[SimonTheFrog]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

A perfect body for a female soldier...

It's photoshopped? 

Anyway... too much

[mattylee10]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

A perfect body for a female soldier...

Stomachs nice but the arms... and the veins...oh dear god the veins!!!

[Elite Midget]

Way too many veins... I hope that's just because she's working out.

[3rd Wonder]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

A perfect body for a female soldier...

It's photoshopped? 

Anyway... too much

No photoshop; that's Pauline Nordin. She's a well known fitness model and figure/fitness competitor throughout Europe and in the U.S. She's from Sweden. To each their own, but to me she is stunning! It's good to see that some people on this forum have an appreciation for athletic and fit women.

[3rd Wonder]

I always viewed Ashley to be the muscular type in ME1 (although she wasn't), due to the fact that she is genetically enhanced super soldier and a formidable hand to hand combatant. Not to mention, she was a tank in ME1 thanks to "immunity" and was heavily armed.



With that said, I could also see Miranda, Samara and Jack with athletic physiques as well. All those years of combat and training alone would have altered an average persons physique to a more fit and athletic physique naturally.

[Halfdan The Menace]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

A perfect body for a female soldier...

It's photoshopped? 

Anyway... too much

 LOL! no!

[SimonTheFrog]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

A perfect body for a female soldier...

It's photoshopped? 

Anyway... too much

 LOL! no!

Alright then ^^ Looks like she really loves to work out. It's really just a matter of taste. I'd rather put her next to Fenix than on the Normandy. As it has been said before, Shepard doesn't get the job done by arm-wrestling or abbs crunches but by being smart, determined and being good with the rifle and the powers. So, she doesn't need that much "fitness". 

[DragonRageGT]

Pauline Nordin is Da Man! err... Da Girl!

I really need start working out again and get my vein up like that... chicks dig scars, muscles and veins! Well, some do! And yeah, hers are like that probably because she's contracting her muscles with those weights in her hands.

But what I really wanted to see is a different "Walk". First, the speed. I love some walking in RPG's but in ME2 it is ridiculously slow. I think an 80 yrs old suffering a heart attack would walk faster than that!

Then, the walk itself. Anyone tried to walk Jane under the nice dress she gets from Kasumi? Anyone ever seen a female Orangotango walking? A girl, even a G.I. Jane, would not walk like that. I think they have pride in their femininity.

Modifié par RageGT, 25 novembre 2010 - 04:46 .

[Hoogies123]

Come now everyone, we all know Charlie James has the perfect body for a model for ME3 Female Shepard. http://www.youtube.c...u/1/EkxM7M2S6Bs



I agree with the OP in that the fem shep's body was way too slim and non-muscular to be taken seriously.



*spoiler*



As if that frail body could have ever punched Saren so hard in the face that he dropped her to the ground after having her suspended by one arm. I call sci-fi shinanighans on that one.



Seriously Bioware, beef up the females. Its one thing to have them looking sexy all the time, but sometimes practically demands respect, especially when you're saving the galaxy every other day with your bare fists.

[Destroy Raiden_]

No. She's fine as is you start down this road, enough people complain and before you know it you've got a Arnold Schwarzenegger w/ additions not cool BW shouldn't start this trend most people don't want that or a China (Wrestler) as their fem protagonist.

[Elite Midget]

However, they don't want a punt Femshep either. Some of the pics here were good examples and they didn't look unnatural or ugly in anyway.