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[metalcraze33]

I want Alistair to die and loghain to die but everytime i kill loghain alistair takes the throne I even already made the deal to marry Anora [male character btw}

Modifié par metalcraze33, 05 novembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[ejoslin]

Well, you hardened Alistair, and if you're a HN, your choices are limited. You can't kill Loghain if you want to marry Anora, but since Alistair is hardened, you can't have him strike the killing blow either.



You can always spare Loghain, and feed him to the arch demon I suppose. But yeh, HNs who want the throne should not harden Alistair and thereby give themselves competition.

[metalcraze33]

but if he isn't hrdened she won't kill him and my character hates him

[ejoslin]

metalcraze33 wrote...

but if he isn't hrdened she won't kill him and my character hates him

???  What are you talking about?

I'm assuming you're playing a Human Noble male.  So when it comes to Loghain, if you kill him, Anora won't marry your warden.  If Alistair kills Loghain, if he's hardened, he automatically takes the throne.  If Alistair ISN'T hardened, he does not automatically take the throne.

So to marry Anora at this point, you have to spare Loghain, at least at the landsmeet, and either have Alistair executed or exiled.  You can always not do the dark ritual and have Loghain take the killing blow.

[metalcraze33]

so Loghain gets to be a hero? pfft

[ejoslin]

Well, do you have a save from before you hardened Alistair? I mean, you don't have too many choices here. You can always just spare Loghain -- it's not like he has tons of years left, and the Gray Wardens do know the perfect place to send him...

[Dean_the_Young]

It should be easy:



Agree with Anora to take the throne together.

Let Anora kill Alistair

Refuse Morrigan's ritual.

Let Loghnain ride the Dragon.

[Giggles_Manically]

metalcraze33 wrote...

so Loghain gets to be a hero? pfft

His soul is also obliterated from existince.
I say that is a fairly good counter.

[Sarah1281]

You know, if Loghain lives then he's sent off to Orlais at the end. It might be kinder to just let him die...

[Ferretinabun]

Hang on, Alistair automatically takes the throne if he is hardened and executes Loghain? Since when? Surely even in that case you still get to pick between Anora and Alistair...?

[Sarah1281]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Hang on, Alistair automatically takes the throne if he is hardened and executes Loghain? Since when? Surely even in that case you still get to pick between Anora and Alistair...?

If you arrange for Alistair and Anora to marry pre-Landsmeet then Alistair doesn't automatically take the throne then (although the marriage is now impossible) and you get to choose. I've heard something about Alistair also turning it down under some conditions of his romance being active but I'm hardly an expert on that.

[Lady Jess]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Hang on, Alistair automatically takes the throne if he is hardened and executes Loghain? Since when? Surely even in that case you still get to pick between Anora and Alistair...?

If the player fails to talk to Anora in her room after the rescue, and mention his intentions there, then I believe you don't get to marry her. So in that case, if Alistair kills Loghain, hardened, even with a HNM maybe he does make himself king with no choice given.

Edited to add: the only Origin that gets the choice in that situation is a noble. I learned the hard way with a mage once that he will definitely claim the throne after he kills Loghain, without you having a choice.

Modifié par Lady Jess, 05 novembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Ferretinabun]

Hmmm...

Oh well, you can still kill Poghain and turn Alistair into a bitter (not to mention tainted) drunk. That should give him some time to reflect on his temper tantrums...

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

Hang on, Alistair automatically takes the throne if he is hardened and executes Loghain? Since when? Surely even in that case you still get to pick between Anora and Alistair...?

If you arrange for Alistair and Anora to marry pre-Landsmeet then Alistair doesn't automatically take the throne then (although the marriage is now impossible) and you get to choose. I've heard something about Alistair also turning it down under some conditions of his romance being active but I'm hardly an expert on that.

Here are the two circumstances where Alistair doesn't automatically take the throne IF he does the killing blow AND is hardened:

There is the marriage between him and Anora set up beforehand.
He is in love with a Human Noble Female.

Neither of these would apply to the OP.  He has the marriage set up between him and Anora, not Alistair and Anora, and is not a HNF, in a romance or not.

[Ferretinabun]

Yes, you can kill Poghain - Laghain's evil twin! He's the NEW secret companion!

...D'oh...

[Ferretinabun]

Laghain? Christ, I give up!

[Sarah1281]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Hmmm...
Oh well, you can still kill Poghain and turn Alistair into a bitter (not to mention tainted) drunk. That should give him some time to reflect on his temper tantrums...

If Loghain dies at the Landsmeet, Alistair either becomes king or stays a Warden. If you want drunk!Alistair ending, Loghain has to become a Warden. He could still die slaying the Archdemon, though.

[metalcraze33]

If he gets sent to orlias i have to see that lol

[Sarah1281]

To see this, import a character from a game Loghain lives through to Awakening and he'll show up after one of the quests are completed back at the Keep and tell you how he's being sent to Orlais and give you nice equipment.

[Bruddajakka]

Ideal solution in your case would be to spare Loghain, have Alistair executed, then have Loghain do the US.



Though him being sent to live the rest of his life in Orlais is probably the very definition of Karmic hell.

[Sabariel]

Convince Anora to marry you, have Alistair execute Loghain, then feed Alistair to the Archdemon. Poor Alistair

[sylvanaerie]

Sabariel wrote...

Convince Anora to marry you, have Alistair execute Loghain, then feed Alistair to the Archdemon. Poor Alistair

In all I think Alistair would still rather be dragon kibble than either marry Anora or wade through Morrigan's swamp.  Metal, you can't have your cake and eat it to. You don't get to kill both at the Landsmeet.  If you spare Loghain  you can kill Alistair and you have to take the mule kicked zombie with you for the remainder of the game.  If you kill Loghain you have to have Alistair to the end of the game. thats how it works.  One of them (if you are a female warden) has to be available to do the dirty for Morrigan's OGB.  If you hardened Alistair then you won't get to take the throne without sparing your future father in law.
You can't kill Loghain (Anora won't marry her father's killer) and Alistair will always take the throne after killing Loghain unless you are in a romance with him as a HNF.

[ejoslin]

Sabariel wrote...

Convince Anora to marry you, have Alistair execute Loghain, then feed Alistair to the Archdemon. Poor Alistair

This does not work if Alistair is hardened.