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[tuppence95]

I can't seem to stop scrolling up to look at it again and again.


I need to cleanse my eyes with some Teagan.

[Axekix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

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Skyl4rk wrote...

OMG...That is deeply disturbing.  And what bothers me more is not the jiggling boobs, but the ******'s ugly big sister: THE MOOSE KNUCKLE  You've outdone yourself Axekix.

Thank you, thank you.  I suffer for my art. *bows*

[tuppence95]

Where is Giggles tonight?  He's missing all the fun.

[TJPags]

Axekix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

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Skyl4rk wrote...

OMG...That is deeply disturbing.  And what bothers me more is not the jiggling boobs, but the ******'s ugly big sister: THE MOOSE KNUCKLE  You've outdone yourself Axekix.

Thank you, thank you.  I suffer for my art. *bows*

Weeks and months and years of extensive therapy, huh? 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Axekix wrote...

Thank you, thank you.  I suffer for my art. *bows*

not as much as my husband will be suffering for it. Just made it my new desktop wallpaper. He's still in bed. When he wakes and comes down to check his email, groggy eyed, head and chest congested from the remnants of a cold, and still shaking off the aftereffects of super charged cough syrup......

Sadly, i will not be awake to witness his "enlightenment". tragic.

[tuppence95]

*TJPags
You know, for an Alistair hater, you are pretty funny.  Odd that some of my favorite people seem to come from that group.  Well, you can't call KoP and Alistair "hater." 

[Addai]

EccentricSage wrote...

Somehow his deriliction of duty deepens the offence for me.

It doesn't make me hate him, but I do see him as a week fool. 

So you can understand how deeply it shakes him to see the Warden sparing Loghain and making him a Grey Warden, something he views as not just a dereliction but a violation of the Wardens.  I'm not saying he's right about that, but that's how he sees it.  So- goose, gander.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[TJPags]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Thank you, thank you.  I suffer for my art. *bows*

not as much as my husband will be suffering for it. Just made it my new desktop wallpaper. He's still in bed. When he wakes and comes down to check his email, groggy eyed, head and chest congested from the remnants of a cold, and still shaking off the aftereffects of super charged cough syrup......

Sadly, i will not be awake to witness his "enlightenment". tragic.

There are no words to describe how terrible that would be.  You'd be sleeping on the couch if he were I.
The couch in the room with the broken window, as I would not be able to restrain myself from grabbing that monitor and flinging it through the nearest window in an effort to cleanse the world of such horror.

Edit - @ Tuppence.  Why thank you.  I find I enjoy this place more, as I meet new people since branching out from the Loghain hate threads.

Modifié par TJPags, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Axekix]

TJPags wrote...

Weeks and months and years of extensive therapy, huh? 

You have no idea!

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Thank you, thank you.  I suffer for my art. *bows*

not
as much as my husband will be suffering for it. Just made it my new
desktop wallpaper. He's still in bed. When he wakes and comes down to
check his email, groggy eyed, head and chest congested from the remnants
of a cold, and still shaking off the aftereffects of super charged
cough syrup......

Sadly, i will not be awake to witness his "enlightenment". tragic.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Poor bastard... Disclaimer:  I'm not liable for any surprise-moobistair-related heart attacks... or divorce proceedings!

[metalcraze33]

Anyone Have riordan art?

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

What is not a good thing is that Alistair IS deferring to his Chancellor on almost all issues, even hardened.  It's more apparent he's a puppet king if he's unchanged, but...  I don't know.  If the warden is chancellor, I don't see Alistair as being portrayed as the real ruler, even when hardened, as he's deferring to the Warden most of the time.

Edit: The only time you don't see a slide implying the warden is the leader is if Alistair and the Warden are married (if the warden is chancellor that is).  And only in a love match, really.

I would agree it's not a good thing if the epilogue indicated the kingdom fell into ruin.  It doesn't.  It does say that both Anora and Alistair do better if they have a co-ruler.  To me that is the principle at work that there is wisdom in cooperative reign.  Alistair's tendency to look to someone else could be a weakness, but so could Anora's belief that she doesn't need anyone else.

Ok, you're going into directions that I've never said nor implied.  It's like, I responded to someone saying that Alistair seemed to rule on his own ok, and I pointed out that he relies on either his warden chancellor or Eamon.  And once I posted the slides that showed that in fact, as sole ruler, he DOES defer to (relies on is a nicer way of saying this) the warden chancellor, that this comes out.

So I'm done with this particular conversation.  I said what I meant, I backed it up, and I'm not going to argue points that I never made.

Whether Alistair being this malleable is a good or bad thing remains to be seen.  I think, as the warden ends up disappearing, it probably is not, but that is something that will come to light in a future game.  Most likely.

Hence why I said, somewhere in our exchange, that you might not actually have been implying that but that is what it sounded like.  So, ok.  Don't argue points you never made.

[tuppence95]

@Skadi
That is soooooo cruel!  

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

TJPags wrote...

There are no words to describe how terrible that would be.  You'd be sleeping on the couch if he were I.
The couch in the room with the broken window, as I would not be able to restrain myself from grabbing that monitor and flinging it through the nearest window in an effort to cleanse the world of such horror.
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I sometimes end up crashing out in a room with an open window anyway do to his eardrum-blowing snoring, so it's not an issue for me. Perhaps exposure to Alistair's smexy hawt newest incarnation will cure him of his disagreeable snores and tendancy to babble in his sleep.

@Axe: I have just christed your newest and most worthy spawn of your mad loinds BBWistair (big beautiful Wardenistair).

[Sarah1281]

metalcraze33 wrote...

Anyone Have riordan art?

There are these:

[Skyl4rk]

Axekix wrote...
Poor bastard... Disclaimer:  I'm not liable for any surprise-moobistair-related heart attacks... or divorce proceedings!

Don't forget self-inflicted eye-gouging.

Modifié par Skyl4rk, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Axekix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

@Axe: I have just christed your newest and most worthy spawn of your mad loinds BBWistair (big beautiful Wardenistair).

BBWistair?!

Catchy.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

LMAO@ the last one, Sarah!

[tuppence95]

Axe is evil!  I keep finding myself coming back to a Hate thread just to look at the new moobistar.  

[phaonica]

Yikes I left for two hours and six pages, apparently. Good thing those pages are mostly filled with awesomely hideous morphs.

Addai67 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
You're speculating, though you could be right.  But even his demand for Loghain's execution after Ostagar is a response to what he sees as betrayal and regicide. 

 You're right, it is speculation. Based on what I perceive about Alistair's character, I think that if Duncan had survived Ostagar, Alistair would find his passions concerning regicide to be minimal.

No, can't say I agree there.  He is most upset about Duncan (i.e. asking Flemeth why she didn't save him, later on saying he felt guilty that he didn't die with him etc.) but he is livid that, as he sees it, Loghain abandoned the Wardens and Cailan and is off to steal the throne.  When he talks about Eamon not letting him get away with it, I highly doubt that only Duncan is on his mind.  The fact that he has a personal stake heightens his feelings but isn't the entire basis.

I don't see it like that. There is not one moment where Alistair will even consider that they really don't know what happened at Ostagar. Loghain is never anything but completely guilty in his mind and he will never so much as consider an argument to the contrary. His anger has nothing to do with the truth, only with his feelings.

[Merilsell]

metalcraze33 wrote...

Merilsell he looks cooler in the juggernaut armor

My favorite Armor for Alistair is actually NBA:



Barbarian gloriousness 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I particularly love this comic:

[TJPags]

Okay, now really - is that the best way to go fight Darkspawn???

Be reasonable here, ali-girls!!!

[Axekix]

tuppence95 wrote...

Axe is evil!  

You didn't know?  Gaider is my idol

[EccentricSage]

TJPags wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Alistair and Connor really does show Alistair at his worst, as far as leading goes. I go back to my first playthrough where my city elf was madly in love with Alistair. OMG. I did kill Connor. Blood magic was out. Everyone was telling me there was really no time to go to the mage tower. Even Connor was saying he had no clue when the bad lady would return. Alistair, though obviously not happy, does seem to think it's the good idea.

When got back to camp, I honestly was expecting a bit of sympathy because that whole scene was rough. Instead, I got the whole, "You KILLED Connor! How could you kill a little boy?" Bleh, it was bad. Since I was nice, I didn't lose much approval, but it hit hard.

You know, this is a very good example of why I can't stand Alistair.

I'm standing there in Redcliffe, first playthrough, I ask for opinions, and Alsitair basically says - go ahead, kill Isolde, it's the only way.  Then I get back to camp - and he goes baslistic, as if he didn't SUGGEST this and RECOMEND it in the first place.

If they wanted to make this at ALL believable, he should have been objecting left and right when you ask him what to do, not suggest this and then jump all over you in camp.

EccentricSage wrote...

TJPags wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Alistair is the most likable and real-seeming character in the game.

Umm, no.
IMO, he is one dimensional, and hardly likeable.  I'd rate Morrigan as the most real seeming character in the game.

I have to disagree with him being one dimensional.  Alistair does have some complex psychological reasons for being the blundering fool that he can so often be.  It makes sense that, having been an orphan rumored to be a bastard of a noble, he was an unloved outcast his whole childhood.  Someone who was never good enough and just a burden.  Even though he seems to place Eamon on a pedistal, fact remains that Alistair lived in a freekn' barn, if I'm remembering corectly... he didn't even get to live in the castle.  It's like he was always tolerated and told he was welcome there, but was never really welcome there and felt it.  But it was all he knew.  Eamon's tolerance and support via basic survival requirements were all Alistair had that he could look up to Eamon for.  But that was all Alistair knew.

Then he gets sent off to the Chantry at a young age because marrying Isold was more important to Alistair's father figure than his own welfare was.  He says he was rebelious and isn't that religious, but you can see in various dialogues how much his time in the chantry colored his way of thinking.  A good example would be that discussion Zevran has with him about religion, or the way Alistair's first reaction to Morrigan is 'OMG!  APOSTATE!  DON'T TRUST IT, IT'S EVIL!'  and then, even after she helps you, if you bring up the subject when you get back to Dunkan, does Alistair say she helped?  No, he says there are apostates in the forest, and says it as though it's a horrible thing.  This is one of the things that makes me want to slap him around, but considering his upbringing and training, I kind of understand how hard wired he is to react that way.

I think something that is easy for us to forget is that Alistair has only been a Grey Warden for about one year.  It was long enough to become deeply atached to Dunkan, who rescued him from becoming a Templar, which he had no choice in, and who treeted him with respect and saw potential in him others did not.  That had to have been very powerful for him.  I completely understand why he takes Dunkan's death so hard.  But it's also understandable that a year in Grey Warden training isn't going to erase a lifetime of never being held or loved, and it won't erase half his youth or more being indoctrinated by the Chantry.

Despite the influence of the Chantry, he will treat most mages erespectfully and has no problem being a close friend or romancing your warden if she's a mage.  The landsmeet is a mess that IMO shows how unprepared Alistair is.  He's only just starting to get to know himself, and during a blight no less.  Now he ether needs to become King and try to follow in the footsteps of a father he never knew, or face the Arch demon knowing that ether one of you has to die, or he has to do a questionable ritual with someone he beleaves is a maleficar.  He's really not in a very happy place.

I think he's foolish and week, but he's a kind person at heart, with naive good intentions that are simply not backed up by much confidence.  David Gaider said that Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer was an influence on his writing of Alistair.  Well, I can say in Mr. Gaider's and Alistaires favor that I hate Xander far more than Alistair, and I at least find Alistair's issues more beleavable and understandable, and his sense of humor more amusing, and generally find him more usefull than Xander was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  (Anya deserved better than him!)

And you know, I get the whole "poor Alistair, horrible childhood" thing.  However, I can't put myself in his place and see it.

As you say, Eamon treats him as an afterthought as a child, yet he seems so beholden to him.  He gets shipped off to the Chantry by this guy, and yet STILL reveres him.  Then he transfers those feelings to Duncan.  And then to the Warden.

Where is the self-reliance, or did he never develop that?  I really see his character as very needy, placing unreasonable expectations on others to somehow live up to an ideal that he creates for you, and when you don't, he acts likes it's a betrayal.

I agree with you completely on that.  Bottom line is that he only starts to develop the beginnings of self-reliance when you harden him.  My point is not to deffend his actions or try to make you feal for him, rather, my point was just that there is a lot of depth to why he is as he is.  It's realistic writing.  There are a lot of people like him in the world.  My point was that he's not one dimensional as you said before.  He's really a well written blundering fool who's too sheltered and has mommy and daddy issues that are unresolved.  It's not wrong to love him or hate him, IMO. 

I myself am also irked that he doesn't have any sence of self awareness.  I think he must actually be the youngest companion.  Often people with issues don't start to understand how others view them, or start to deal with their issues, untill they've been confronted with the real world for awhile.  Alistair has never been independant.  He always had someone looking after him and calling the shots, and shaping who he is.  But it sure would be nice if he'd take a little initiative in that department.  One of my favorite moments in the game is Zevran putting him in his place in reguards to the subject of religion.  It was about damn time someone point out some of his hypocracy.

Someone pointed out to me earlier in the thread that my reason for saying he's self centered was ilogical, and they were right... I aprouched the subject wrong.  Alistair is self centered in that he wants others to care about what he's fealing and his loss, but he won't even REMEMBER what a human Noble Warden told him about her family being massacred pretty much right in front of her.  (or him.  You know what I mean)  And he ridicules Morrigan and Zevran imediately, and starts pestering them once they join the party.  What a douchebag!  Morrigan brings us the documents we needed, and Flemeth saves our lives, and he never shows any gratitude for that.  Are they untrustworthy?  Of course.  As are most sentiant beings.  That whole pesky matter of not having control over what is not yours, the will of others.  And Zevran... he told us he was a slave, and you didn't want to kill him ether Alistair.  No need to rub salt in his wounds after we win against him, just to prove how macho you think you are. 

Zevran's patience with companions by contrast is one of the reasons I like him.  He's rarely malitious, just pokes and prods to try to learn more about them, or to deflect when they are imposing uppon him.  Such grace through dirty words.  lol  I love that him and Al even eventually have some friendly banter eventually, if you get the mod that fixes the bugs in dialogue.  I'm pretty sure it's ejoslin's mod.

I think if there was more time and there was not a blight, Alistair would be easier to deal with.  But he forgets that just as he needs others to forgive or tolerate some of his shortcomings, he should be more forgiving of theirs as well.  He seems to only be sweet to companions who treat him like a child, or who act like a child themselves.  Wynne and Lelliana.  And completely shows that he does not bother to get to know his companions, as in the gossip conversation, he proceeds to misjudge every last one of them, taking them all on first impressions.

[tuppence95]

Axekix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Axe is evil!  

You didn't know?  Gaider is my idol

He's my idol too, but I don't have your kind of talent.  I can only sit on the sidelines in awe of the evil-ness.

Speaking of my idol, I had an almost conversation with him in pms!  I wrote to him, and he answered, and then he answered again.  

Axe, there's a couple of Alistarians who will kill me for this, but you've just gotta post that in the gush thread!