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[tuppence95]

Tigress M wrote...

My first playthrough was a Dalish elf and I was absolutely crushed when no one would talk to me about Tamlen after he showed up in camp full of the taint.  It was like it never happened, and that HURT.  

That's hopefully going to be fixed soon.  

[metalcraze33]

Ok on a positive note i think the elves end up a lot better off if Alistair is king than if you let anora rule

[Zjarcal]

tuppence95 wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

My first playthrough was a Dalish elf and I was absolutely crushed when no one would talk to me about Tamlen after he showed up in camp full of the taint.  It was like it never happened, and that HURT.  

That's hopefully going to be fixed soon.  

Is cme working on such mod?

[Sarah1281]

Hey, what Origin makes you kill an old friend/family or w/e when they've turned into a Ghoul?

Dalish Elf.

[Yankee23]

Tigress M wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...
I have played multiple mages and imo the templar/mage romance is quite sweet.

Completely off topic, but I can't resist... my little mage just melted when she heard Alistair and Wynne chatting and Alistair referred to Wynne as his "second favoritest mage".  I think I actually said, "Awwwwww!" out loud! 

Me too!

[Yankee23]

Zjarcal wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

My first playthrough was a Dalish elf and I was absolutely crushed when no one would talk to me about Tamlen after he showed up in camp full of the taint.  It was like it never happened, and that HURT.  

That's hopefully going to be fixed soon.  

Is cme working on such mod?

Yes!

[sylvanaerie]

Zjarcal wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

My first playthrough was a Dalish elf and I was absolutely crushed when no one would talk to me about Tamlen after he showed up in camp full of the taint.  It was like it never happened, and that HURT.  

That's hopefully going to be fixed soon.  

Is cme working on such mod?

Yes except right now she has no internet to update anything.  Maybe she will return in a bit with all kinds of new mods and stuff.

[ejoslin]

TheLegendofWade wrote...

Hey, what Origin makes you kill an old friend/family or w/e when they've turned into a Ghoul?

[EDIT] Ah, nevermind, I see that it's the Dalish Origin.

Anyway, I agree that all companions are guilty of not caring about your feelings or your past.  Which romanceable character actually digs deep into your person and past and feels sorry for you?  Morrigan never shows sympathy.  Leliana doesn't.  Zevran?  Nope.  Alistar?  He mentions one time that he feels sorry for you.

Out of all the characters, Alistar actually shows the most sympathy for you. 

Sten is my favorite character.  He's always have my back.  He doesn't expect me to pour out sympathy for him, and he doesn't expect sympathy in return.  Morrigan could be argued to be similar, but eh.

Anyway, I thought David made really good points.  I don't think Alistar is whiny, I just think he is flawed (in a good way) .  All the companions could use a little touch-ups in their interaction with the PC.  In the video game...the most inquisitive person about the PC's life is the Mad Hermit.  I wish I could romance him...

Morrigan may for a Casteless Dwarf if she's in the party when you meet the DC's mother.  Zevran will say something about how he knows your life has been difficult [edit] the line is "Surely your life has not been so idyllic.  People like you and I are not the product of happy lives of contentment. [end edit].  Neither of those are romance related.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:25 .

[tuppence95]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

My first playthrough was a Dalish elf and I was absolutely crushed when no one would talk to me about Tamlen after he showed up in camp full of the taint.  It was like it never happened, and that HURT.  

That's hopefully going to be fixed soon.  

Is cme working on such mod?

Yes except right now she has no internet to update anything.  Maybe she will return in a bit with all kinds of new mods and stuff.

Dahlia said she was briefly online from her phone a few days ago.  Have you heard from her?  Her internet's been out for a long time. 

[Yankee23]

You also get some good comments from some companions if you tell the gardian you feel as if you abandoned your parents.

[ejoslin]

Yankee23 wrote...

You also get some good comments from some companions if you tell the gardian you feel as if you abandoned your parents.

It doesn't matter what Origin.  The comments are generic.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Morrigan will also ask about our mother and show as much sympathy as a person who doesn't understand the concept of loss could conjure up.

[Yankee23]

ejoslin wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

You also get some good comments from some companions if you tell the gardian you feel as if you abandoned your parents.

It doesn't matter what Origin.  The comments are generic.

Wow, really? I never noticed that.

[Sarah1281]

Anyway, I agree that all companions are guilty of not caring about your feelings or your past. 

I had actually never noticed that before I saw people commenting about it on the forums. Then I went back to the game and wow was it glaring so I ended up writing this one-shot about it and fully expect that, in the immediate aftermath, at least one party member hit their crisis moment.

[ejoslin]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morrigan will also ask about our mother and show as much sympathy as a person who doesn't understand the concept of loss could conjure up.

Oh, of course.  I forgot about that.

[tuppence95]

ejoslin wrote...

TheLegendofWade wrote...

Hey, what Origin makes you kill an old friend/family or w/e when they've turned into a Ghoul?

[EDIT] Ah, nevermind, I see that it's the Dalish Origin.

Anyway, I agree that all companions are guilty of not caring about your feelings or your past.  Which romanceable character actually digs deep into your person and past and feels sorry for you?  Morrigan never shows sympathy.  Leliana doesn't.  Zevran?  Nope.  Alistar?  He mentions one time that he feels sorry for you.

Out of all the characters, Alistar actually shows the most sympathy for you. 

Sten is my favorite character.  He's always have my back.  He doesn't expect me to pour out sympathy for him, and he doesn't expect sympathy in return.  Morrigan could be argued to be similar, but eh.

Anyway, I thought David made really good points.  I don't think Alistar is whiny, I just think he is flawed (in a good way) .  All the companions could use a little touch-ups in their interaction with the PC.  In the video game...the most inquisitive person about the PC's life is the Mad Hermit.  I wish I could romance him...

Morrigan may for a Casteless Dwarf if she's in the party when you meet the DC's mother.  Zevran will say something about how he knows your life has been difficult [edit] the line is "Surely your life has not been so idyllic.  People like you and I are not the product of happy lives of contentment. [end edit].  Neither of those are romance related.

Zev actually seems the most vocal of all the companions and seems to comment more often on things that affect the pc.  Even when there's no romance involved.  I really like that about him.  It seems like he's trying to stand up for her.

[metalcraze33]

and btw why does no one yell at me about blood magic hey PPl DOING BLOODMAGIC RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU even did it at the landsmeet

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I actually wish he didn't say anything at all. Because asking someone who had to watch his / her family die "have you lost someone?" and then "oops, I forgot" can be more hurtful than not talking about it at all.

Oh, I agree.  But, it's also more human, to me.  Not that this is a "perfect' example, but let me share this.  My husband lost his mother this past May.  My dad had hip surgery in September and due to some complications, wound up on the operating table quite a bit longer than expected.  I was so caught up with my worry about my father, I made a comment to my husband about being afraid I was going to lose my dad, completely, in that moment, forgetting that he had just recently lost his mother (even though I was THERE when she passed).  

So, although my example is nothing like the game scenario, I completely understand how someone can be so caught up in their own grief or worry or whatever, that they "forget" about what another person's going through.  It's not pretty, and it hurts, but it is human.  

And in case anyone cares, my dad's doing great and is scheduled to get his other hip done just after the first of the year!  

[TheLegendofWade]

Ah, and something else I meant to say in my original post (I couldn't edit in time because of you fast posters!).



It's not as if the characters should pour out their feelings then immediately ask: "So what about you!?" It would lessen their own hurt/story and seem maybe fake. However, several nights/conversations later, maybe they could approach you and mention that they know nothing about you--and inquire....



I think the designers had limited time to incorporate things like this. They just leave it at the assumption that everyone in your party knows about your past and such (camp fire stories that are never shown on screen).



If they had more time/money/whatever, they could even make it possible for other companions to develop relationships with one another (with you having a little control on how they develop), and the game could be a lot different. All of this is ambitious and no one has done this yet. I can't fault Bioware for not having done it.

[Tigress M]

tuppence95 wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

My first playthrough was a Dalish elf and I was absolutely crushed when no one would talk to me about Tamlen after he showed up in camp full of the taint.  It was like it never happened, and that HURT.  

That's hopefully going to be fixed soon.  

Yup, I know and I can't wait!  

[ejoslin]

Zevran also asks you about where you're from.



The problem is, of course, you can't go TOO much into details because people fill in so many blanks about their origins.



I like to assume there are other conversations that go on. Because your party does seem to know you're a princess when you're a DN. This is not a shock. It's not even a shock that you are accused of regicide.

[TheLegendofWade]

Also, how do people get customized character portraits? Does it involve opening up my character file and just switching around what file it extracts the "portrait image" from?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tigress M wrote...

I actually wish he didn't say anything at all. Because asking someone who had to watch his / her family die "have you lost someone?" and then "oops, I forgot" can be more hurtful than not talking about it at all.

Oh, I agree.  But, it's also more human, to me.

It is.
Just like being annoyed at him for this is also human.

Again, I don't hate him for it. What I do dislike is some people dismissing a valid criticism.
It's part of his character and the trend repeats itself 2 other times (that I can think of).
It's understandable. Doesn't have to make it any less annoying to those who think it's annoying.

Tigress M wrote...
And in case anyone cares, my dad's doing great and is scheduled to get his other hip done just after the first of the year!  

Excellent!
I wish him the best!

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:36 .

[Sarah1281]

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran also asks you about where you're from.

The problem is, of course, you can't go TOO much into details because people fill in so many blanks about their origins.

I like to assume there are other conversations that go on. Because your party does seem to know you're a princess when you're a DN. This is not a shock. It's not even a shock that you are accused of regicide.

I like to assume that the 'other conversations' happen after someone else brings it up. Like when my HN announces that she's going to be queen at the Landsmeet and Alistair didn't go to Howe's estate, he tries to tell her that they can't put just anybody on the throne and...wait, she's the heir to what? It's so much more dramatic.

[tuppence95]

metalcraze33 wrote...

and btw why does no one yell at me about blood magic hey PPl DOING BLOODMAGIC RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU even did it at the landsmeet

Wynne does, but Irving will cover for you.

TheLegendofWade wrote...

I think the designers had limited time to incorporate things like this. They just leave it at the assumption that everyone in your party knows about your past and such (camp fire stories that are never shown on screen).

I agree with this mostly.  But there's some glaring holes.  If Alistair does the US, almost nothing is said about losing him, even if your character was engaged to him.  The omission after the Tamlen ghoul is awful.  And in some scenarios, your whole party sits there and watches Alistair dump you, and no one says a word of comfort.