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[Tigress M]

TheLegendofWade wrote...

Ah, and something else I meant to say in my original post (I couldn't edit in time because of you fast posters!).

It's not as if the characters should pour out their feelings then immediately ask: "So what about you!?" It would lessen their own hurt/story and seem maybe fake. However, several nights/conversations later, maybe they could approach you and mention that they know nothing about you--and inquire....

I think the designers had limited time to incorporate things like this. They just leave it at the assumption that everyone in your party knows about your past and such (camp fire stories that are never shown on screen).

I agree!  I wanted so badly for my party members to talk about my PC's and in the beginning, was very disappointed when they didn't come through to any real extent.  Sure, you get a couple of questions, but nothing like what you hear about their pasts, etc.  But, I don't let that lack ruin the game.  

I'd also like to see more initiative in the romances.  I'd love for Alistair to swoop in for a kiss more than once.  There's lots of things I'd like to see, but I fully understand the limitations of mass development and am just pleased that modders have taken it upon themselves to fill in some of the missing gaps.  

[tuppence95]

Tigress M wrote...

And in case anyone cares, my dad's doing great and is scheduled to get his other hip done just after the first of the year!  

Tigress, what did your dad have done?  Was it a hip replacement?  That's great that he's doing well!

Modifié par tuppence95, 06 novembre 2010 - 01:00 .

[Yankee23]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

I actually wish he didn't say anything at all. Because asking someone who had to watch his / her family die "have you lost someone?" and then "oops, I forgot" can be more hurtful than not talking about it at all.

Oh, I agree.  But, it's also more human, to me.

It is.
Just like being annoyed at him for this is also human.

Again, I don't hate him for it. What I do dislike is some people dismissing a valid criticism.
It's part of his character and the trend repeats itself 2 other times (that I can think of).
It's understandable. Doesn't have to make it any less annoying to those who think it's annoying.

Tigress M wrote...
And in case anyone cares, my dad's doing great and is scheduled to get his other hip done just after the first of the year!  

Excellent!
I wish him the best!

I think it's more of a character interpretation. You see him as self-centered and I understand why, but it can also be interpreted as defending his version of right and wrong. Not the forgeting about losing their family, but the other two times you refer to which, I believe, are Redcliffe and the Landsmeet?

[metalcraze33]

If he really cared about right and wrong nothing would keep him from being a warden

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Excellent!
I wish him the best! 

Thanks! 

Modifié par Tigress M, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:47 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yankee23 wrote...
I think it's more of a character interpretation. You see him as self-centered and I understand why, but it can also be interpreted as defending his version of right and wrong. Not the forgeting about losing their family, but the other two times you refer to which, I believe, are Redcliffe and the Landsmeet?

Yes.
You see, I also initially thought it was about his idea of "right" and "wrong" at first. But when playing my high cunning rogue canon, the cunning option for the Redcliffe issue "So it's about you and him, and not me" (or something like that), and Alistair admitting it, made me change my mind and I do believe his moral concerns are ultimately very self centered at their core (again, this does not mean he is selfish). 

I do believe that the reason he was angry for Redcliffe was not really because of anything "wrong", but because he was worried about what Eamon would think of him (something I couldn't care less about). Just like him being so opposed to sparing Loghain was not really, the way I saw it, a question of morality, but it's rather about sparing the man he believes killed Duncan (and this is apparent when he says things like "Forget Maric, this is for Duncan").

That's how I interpret the character and my interpretation is far from being the only valid one however.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:52 .

[metalcraze33]

Btw now playing a modded human noble mage who with two mods will take the throne and destroy Alistair woot

[Lord_Anthonior]

metalcraze33 wrote...

My human noble : so yeah my whole family was just killed recently
alistair oh bummer btw i am in love with Duncan i think i will go cry in a corner
me: hey we need more wardens and I don't want us to die let's recruit loghain so he can die instead
alistair: OMG IF YOU DO I am not going to play grey warden with you AnY MORE! I will abandon the entire world to die cause I have HONOR.
Me:hey that ghoul was my best freind since I was a baby I'm sad we killed him
Alistair oh really he's better off dead
me: hey we just sacrificied a whiny orlesian who ruined your childhood to save a little boy who tried to save his father
Alistair OMG I HaVE UNRESOLVED CHILDHOOD ISSUES THAT MAY displease eamon and btw blood magic makes you a bad person no matter what

how does anyone not want to run a sword through him?

I would have really want to, alas, is not possible, the best next thing I could do is to let Anora send him to be executed or banishing from the wardens, tittle and left him a drunkard, so yes I do second your idea.

Also the other good thing I could do was to get rid of him as soon as I entered Lothering, not having him in the party the entire game except for those moments that he was there as a default appearence like in Redcliffe and the Landsmeet.

Having Sten or Oghren  makes a very good substitution for having another warrior and tank in the party and a two handed weapon wielder with the "nug crusher" maul from RTO made it all the more easier concerning stamina so to focus on their strength and constitution.

Personally my playthroughs went very good..actually excellent with his absence only my first playthrough when I bought the game was the only time I had alistair around, now I'm in my 20th or close to 30th time I play the game and I like how it goes with out him.

[Yankee23]

metalcraze33 wrote...

If he really cared about right and wrong nothing would keep him from being a warden

Replace being a warden with stopping the blight and I will concede up to a point. But to understand why he does it you need to consider his past and how welcoming the person he sees as the murderer of the only family he has ever known in to the wardens effects him. Doesn't make it right or mean he won't regret it later, but it is understandable.

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Except blood mages, he hates blood magic, but doesn't stop him from loving a blood mage either.

I wished they would have addressed that issue in the romance. Since they don't and Alistair doesn't appear to notice and/or care, it feels...cheap. I'm not sure that he would be able to be with a blood mage. The blood magic might not stop him from falling for her but I could see it being one of those deal-breakers for him or his reaction to it being one for her.

I think it gets adressed the same way it would if you weren't. You make the evil decisions, the approval meter drops. There's just too much RP to dodge if you're writing spec specific dialog beyond Wynne's little prissy fit at the tower. 

1. WHY is the mage a blood mage? what made them choose this route?
2. how do they use the power?

Everyone has their RP for this, so Alistair, in a romance bringing it up would require multiple branches for the player to answer in order to keep it RP friendly. If they did that for blood mages, then they'd have to do it for reaper as well I would imagine.

My blood mage, chose it after pre and post tower trauma at the hands of horrible men.  She only uses it as a last resort, either when mana is low and healing is needed  or someone is going to die if she doesn't. There's also the "noone will EVER hurt me that way again" aspect of her rp.

I know I'm not the only player to use BM this way. So if they made it a deal breaker just to BE a blood mage, they'd pretty much ruin the game for people using it. Not to mention then there had BETTER be deal breakers for ALL the others.

[Lady Jess]

Yankee23 wrote...

metalcraze33 wrote...

If he really cared about right and wrong nothing would keep him from being a warden

Replace being a warden with stopping the blight and I will concede up to a point. But to understand why he does it you need to consider his past and how welcoming the person he sees as the murderer of the only family he has ever known in to the wardens effects him. Doesn't make it right or mean he won't regret it later, but it is understandable.

I like to say imagine the situation reversed. You're in Howe's basement, as a HN, ready to kill him once and for all, and Alistair decides Howe should be spared, without giving more than "there are compelling reasons". What would you do?

Me? Kasha would look him in the eye, tell him where to shove his mercy, and slam the door while saying "I QUIT THE BLIGHT!"

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
I like to say imagine the situation reversed. You're in Howe's basement, as a HN, ready to kill him once and for all, and Alistair decides Howe should be spared, without giving more than "there are compelling reasons". What would you do?

Me? Kasha would look him in the eye, tell him where to shove his mercy, and slam the door while saying "I QUIT THE BLIGHT!"

I actually didn't want to kill him and I disliked being forced to.

But if I really wanted him dead and Alistair did that, I'd be angry sure. I would probably even hate him.
However I do not believe I would ever condemn an entire nation as not worth fighting for, because of that.

[metalcraze33]

I play it as my male mage named Jareth btw wants any power that will enable him to stay out of the tower he is afraid that they will come for him even if he is a warden also why he becomes an arcane warrior.

He hates templar's and almost templar's with an unreasoning hatred because of his capture

[Yankee23]

Lady Jess wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

metalcraze33 wrote...

If he really cared about right and wrong nothing would keep him from being a warden

Replace being a warden with stopping the blight and I will concede up to a point. But to understand why he does it you need to consider his past and how welcoming the person he sees as the murderer of the only family he has ever known in to the wardens effects him. Doesn't make it right or mean he won't regret it later, but it is understandable.

I like to say imagine the situation reversed. You're in Howe's basement, as a HN, ready to kill him once and for all, and Alistair decides Howe should be spared, without giving more than "there are compelling reasons". What would you do?

Me? Kasha would look him in the eye, tell him where to shove his mercy, and slam the door while saying "I QUIT THE BLIGHT!"

Oh, I completely agree with you. Still doesn't make it "right" but it would be understandable and totally what my warden would do too.

[metalcraze33]

I would ignore him kill howe anyway and go on being a warden

[Yankee23]

metalcraze33 wrote...

I would ignore him kill howe anyway and go on being a warden

Just like Alistair tries to do at the landsmeet.

[metalcraze33]

no he just quits

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Just like him being so opposed to sparing Loghain was not really, the way I saw it, a question of morality, but it's rather about sparing the man he believes killed Duncan (and this is apparent when he says things like "Forget Maric, this is for Duncan").

See, that's exactly why I wish that they would have stuck with Alistair's initial 'I'm as surprised as you are' line instead. While his prompt execution of Loghain afterwards is still just that, it makes it seem more like he's enacting justice (even if i disagree) than vengeance which is what the in-game line does.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 06 novembre 2010 - 01:16 .

[Yankee23]

metalcraze33 wrote...

no he just quits

He will demand the throne so he can take care of Loghain himself.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Just like him being so opposed to sparing Loghain was not really, the way I saw it, a question of morality, but it's rather about sparing the man he believes killed Duncan (and this is apparent when he says things like "Forget Maric, this is for Duncan").

See, that's exactly why i wish that they would have stuck with Alistair's initial 'I'm as surprised as you are' line instead. While his prompt execution of Loghain afterwards is still just that, it makes it seem more like he's enacting justice (even if i disagree) than vengeance which is what the in-game line does.

I don't wish that, because I precisely don't think it's his character and I think the in-game line fits more with what he is.
I don't have a problem with the scene. What I do have a problem with is Alistair's irrational and immature albeit understandable attitude in that scene.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 novembre 2010 - 01:14 .

[Lord_Anthonior]

Lady Jess wrote...
I like to say imagine the situation reversed. You're in Howe's basement, as a HN, ready to kill him once and for all, and Alistair decides Howe should be spared, without giving more than "there are compelling reasons". What would you do?

Me? Kasha would look him in the eye, tell him where to shove his mercy, and slam the door while saying "I QUIT THE BLIGHT!"

IF that would have happened in a scene, I would have liked the option in the conversation to knock alistair out for interrupting and kill Howe and still defending the land from the Blight since there are other persons worth fighting to save the land for.

I know from experience never to intervene when someone is very angry and trying to stop that person, just telling the person was is about to do to calm themselves down or in the case of the game filled with rage and revenge towards his family's murderer and even less when that murderer keeps asking for it with his words. But the Blight....no no no, I'm not letting those creatures to take over my homeland.

[Zjarcal]

Lady Jess wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

metalcraze33 wrote...

If he really cared about right and wrong nothing would keep him from being a warden

Replace being a warden with stopping the blight and I will concede up to a point. But to understand why he does it you need to consider his past and how welcoming the person he sees as the murderer of the only family he has ever known in to the wardens effects him. Doesn't make it right or mean he won't regret it later, but it is understandable.

I like to say imagine the situation reversed. You're in Howe's basement, as a HN, ready to kill him once and for all, and Alistair decides Howe should be spared, without giving more than "there are compelling reasons". What would you do?

Me? Kasha would look him in the eye, tell him where to shove his mercy, and slam the door while saying "I QUIT THE BLIGHT!"

I stated my view on this a while ago in the Alistair thread. My HN would've ignored Alistair and attempt to kill Howe either way. If that weren't possible (Alistair stops you or for some other reason), then she would be pissed at Alistair, but she wouldn't quit the blight.

When I posted this in the Alistair thread I meant it as a way to illustrate why I don't consider sparing Loghain a betrayal, since I wouldn't consider Alistair sparing Howe a betrayal. Something to be pissed about? Yes, but not a betrayal.

[Lady Jess]

metalcraze33 wrote...

I would ignore him kill howe anyway and go on being a warden

Duncan had to practically conscript my warden, she only agreed to it to GET vengeance to start with (hey, Bryce said duty first..I consider it duty), and doesn't really get "into" being a warden until much later in the game, when she finds out just WHY they are needed. Up until then, they're a means to an end.

[metalcraze33]

On a side note I would like an option to have Zevran assassinate anora after you marry her because she's annoying