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[Sarah1281]

Actually, if you refuse Leliana the first time and she asks you again right before you leave Lothering Alistair wants you to take her and he actually approves of taking Sten (as do Leliana and Morrigan, oddly enough. Part of that, I think, is just the game urging you to take him).

[TotoroTori]

metalcraze33 wrote...

collider Alistair sees any older male who pays attention to him as a father figure plus he only knew him a few months

for starters I would love to say that you giving the pigtails a bad name like Branka did all over again

For starters Alistair never had a real father figure before Duncan, even though it was six months Duncan was the closest thing he had to an actual father


Eamon didn't care for him properly and sent him off to the Chantry because of his crazy wife and rumors. Not to mention Eamon had him sleeping in the stables

His actual father, King Maric never looked at him.
His half-brother only met once and was more interested in 'pretty swords'

Duncan saved him from a life of a Templer and the addiction to lyiuim. He supports Alistair and yet is stern to him. That is what he always wanted and Duncan was the first to give him the look of a father. Also the wardens where pretty close they become closer then kin after the joining.

[Addai]

TheLegendofWade wrote...

Hey, what Origin makes you kill an old friend/family or w/e when they've turned into a Ghoul?

[EDIT] Ah, nevermind, I see that it's the Dalish Origin.

Anyway, I agree that all companions are guilty of not caring about your feelings or your past.  Which romanceable character actually digs deep into your person and past and feels sorry for you?  Morrigan never shows sympathy.  Leliana doesn't.  Zevran?  Nope.  Alistar?  He mentions one time that he feels sorry for you.

Out of all the characters, Alistar actually shows the most sympathy for you. 

Wynne does, as well, for a Cousland.  <-- I actually just praised Wynne.

But yeah, Alistair also is the only one who says anything positive about your culture as a Dalish PC, something I'm glad for since I love the Alistair-Mahariel romance dynamic.  He's the one in the Tamlen encounter that comes up to you and talks to you about it.  It's probably game mechanic since he's a Warden and with you the longest, but for all that the Cous Cous players feel like you're getting the shaft, Alistair is the only NPC who ever makes my Dalish PC feel that someone gives a crap.

Leliana does, too, with her song- a nice moment as well.  (Edit:  But with her, it's kind of outweighed by the whole "hey it's really cool you haven't dragged off any women or children" routine.)

Modifié par Addai67, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:14 .

[metalcraze33]

TotoroTori wrote...

metalcraze33 wrote...

collider Alistair sees any older male who pays attention to him as a father figure plus he only knew him a few months

for starters I would love to say that you giving the pigtails a bad name like Branka did all over again

For starters Alistair never had a real father figure before Duncan, even though it was six months Duncan was the closest thing he had to an actual father


Eamon didn't care for him properly and sent him off to the Chantry because of his crazy wife and rumors. Not to mention Eamon had him sleeping in the stables

His actual father, King Maric never looked at him.
His half-brother only met once and was more interested in 'pretty swords'

Duncan saved him from a life of a Templer and the addiction to lyiuim. He supports Alistair and yet is stern to him. That is what he always wanted and Duncan was the first to give him the look of a father. Also the wardens where pretty close they become closer then kin after the joining.

no need to be insulting just because you disagree as I said before I have a hard time making a good elf face

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
But yeah, Alistair also is the only one who says anything positive about your culture as a Dalish PC,

Morrigan does as well and she says that she identifies herself more with the Dalish than with the Ferelden humans. Or something ike that.

[Collider]

The only thing I really didn't like was Alistair always disapproving if you kill connor or kill isolde.

[Sarah1281]

Can you really blame him for not being happy about it?

[Merilsell]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

For Morrigan beautiful, independent, hardened, powerful determined I understand, for Leliana I didn't expect it but ok, for Sten he killed a family so well, but when he said: "You are taking the assassin now?!" I thought :  "*sigh* oh man you really complain just about everything! can anyone give him a candy or cookie to shut this kid up?"

It is perfectly valid in my eyes that Alistair steps up in this case and objects to the idea of taking an Assassin along who has tried to kill you BOTH. Who knew at that point that he wouldn't try it again?

[Addai]

metalcraze33 wrote...

B tw I was wondering how some players rp a female mage and Alistair He is a templar

Ohh, that's actually really hot IMO.  A female mage is the only one he'll flirt with straight out of the gate in Ostagar.  It's adorable.  He actually has a soft spot for mages, I think.  Probably because he didn't want to be a templar and has some sympathy for you.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
But yeah, Alistair also is the only one who says anything positive about your culture as a Dalish PC,

Morrigan does as well and she says that she identifies herself more with the Dalish than with the Ferelden humans. Or something ike that.

She does, but it felt more self-centered to me.  She's trying to pry information out of you.  Alistair reacts so beautifully to a simple explanation of Dalish funeral practices.  A lot of it is in the voice acting there, I think.  Also his "I'm so sorry" after Tamlen.

Ok now I'm a little verklemmt!

Edit:  The videos are here.... Morrigan and shapeshifting, Alistair and the Dalish (it's Maricstair, get over it)

Modifié par Addai67, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Collider]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Can you really blame him for not being happy about it?

Somewhat because IIRC he tells you to kill Connor at one point. So it's like...I did what you told me to do and you're mad at me?!

Modifié par Collider, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Merilsell]

metalcraze33 wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

metalcraze33 wrote...

collider Alistair sees any older male who pays attention to him as a father figure plus he only knew him a few months

for starters I would love to say that you giving the pigtails a bad name like Branka did all over again

For starters Alistair never had a real father figure before Duncan, even though it was six months Duncan was the closest thing he had to an actual father


Eamon didn't care for him properly and sent him off to the Chantry because of his crazy wife and rumors. Not to mention Eamon had him sleeping in the stables

His actual father, King Maric never looked at him.
His half-brother only met once and was more interested in 'pretty swords'

Duncan saved him from a life of a Templer and the addiction to lyiuim. He supports Alistair and yet is stern to him. That is what he always wanted and Duncan was the first to give him the look of a father. Also the wardens where pretty close they become closer then kin after the joining.

no need to be insulting just because you disagree as I said before I have a hard time making a good elf face

This is the only thing you have registered in her long post? Wow. You really have a selective way of reading things, right?
Well on the other hand, that would explain much

[Reaverwind]

TotoroTori wrote...

For starters Alistair never had a real father figure before Duncan, even though it was six months Duncan was the closest thing he had to an actual father


Eamon didn't care for him properly and sent him off to the Chantry because of his crazy wife and rumors. Not to mention Eamon had him sleeping in the stables

What Alistair experienced at the hands of "dear Uncle Eamon" was severe neglect. I'd be shocked if anyone who spent all or part of their childhood in that kind of situation didn't have issues. And while we're on the subject - where's the Eamon rage thread?

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Can you really blame him for not being happy about it?

I don't blame him for yelling if you kill Isolde since he's clearly against the blood ritual. I do blame him for yelling if you kill Connor since he himself suggested it.

I understand him being upset and not happy about it, but he should've remembered that he was in favor of killing Connor before yelling at the PC. I don't know if I should blame this on poor writing to be honest.

[tuppence95]

metalcraze33 wrote...
no need to be insulting just because you disagree as I said before I have a hard time making a good elf face

That was probably based on your posts earlier lowering the discussion to complaints about physical appearances.

metalcraze, you seem to want to be taken seriously here.  Can I make a suggestion.  People might give you a bit more credibility if you make the effort to form sentences and use punctuation.  

[Zjarcal]

TotoroTori wrote...
for starters I would love to say that you giving the pigtails a bad name like Branka did all over again

No! No hating on the pigtails please... 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Can you really blame him for not being happy about it?

He can be blamed however for thinking that what Eamon thinks of him, is the most important thing at stake here.
And for once again throwing leadership back at you when you propose giving it to him, because he'd much rather complain and not make the decisions himself.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:35 .

[Addai]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Can you really blame him for not being happy about it?

I don't blame him for yelling if you kill Isolde since he's clearly against the blood ritual. I do blame him for yelling if you kill Connor since he himself suggested it.

I understand him being upset and not happy about it, but he should've remembered that he was in favor of killing Connor before yelling at the PC. I don't know if I should blame this on poor writing to be honest.

No, I think the Cunning dialogue after this reveals what's really going on.  It's an emotional freak-out over Eamon.  In other threads I've compared it to Jon Snow in Song of Ice and Fire, another bastard who's ill treated for that fact but who is more protective of his "trueborn" brothers and sisters than they are of each other.  Alistair is protective of Eamon's family and dreads Eamon waking up to find that he- Alistair- killed his son or his wife.  So when he says "I wouldn't normally suggest slaying a child," he's thinking like a reasoning Warden and templar.  When he freaks out afterward, he's thinking like an orphan boy who revered Eamon and got treated like a piece of dirt on the bottom of his shoe.

[Yankee23]

Wow, stepped out for a bit...8 pages. Not to be a party pooper but since most of the people in here are Alistairians or friends of Alistairians why are we all in a hate thread while at home there are discussions of nugs, werewolves and hallas??

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Can you really blame him for not being happy about it?

I don't blame him for yelling if you kill Isolde since he's clearly against the blood ritual. I do blame him for yelling if you kill Connor since he himself suggested it.

I understand him being upset and not happy about it, but he should've remembered that he was in favor of killing Connor before yelling at the PC. I don't know if I should blame this on poor writing to be honest.

No, I think the Cunning dialogue after this reveals what's really going on.  It's an emotional freak-out over Eamon.  In other threads I've compared it to Jon Snow in Song of Ice and Fire, another bastard who's ill treated for that fact but who is more protective of his "trueborn" brothers and sisters than they are of each other.  Alistair is protective of Eamon's family and dreads Eamon waking up to find that he- Alistair- killed his son or his wife.  So when he says "I wouldn't normally suggest slaying a child," he's thinking like a reasoning Warden and templar.  When he freaks out afterward, he's thinking like an orphan boy who revered Eamon and got treated like a piece of dirt on the bottom of his shoe.

Actually you're right there. The cunning dialogue is sort of a "call him out on his crap" option.

Gaider himself said in the thread that was referenced earlier that Alistair doesn't always act logically. I guess that was indeed the writers intent.

It still annoys me though.

[Zjarcal]

Yankee23 wrote...

Wow, stepped out for a bit...8 pages. Not to be a party pooper but since most of the people in here are Alistairians or friends of Alistairians why are we all in a hate thread while at home there are discussions of nugs, werewolves and hallas??

LOL!

Well, a few days ago, there were about 10-15 pages dedicated to Loghain in the Alistair thread, even though we already have a Loghain thread...

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
But yeah, Alistair also is the only one who says anything positive about your culture as a Dalish PC,

Morrigan does as well and she says that she identifies herself more with the Dalish than with the Ferelden humans. Or something ike that.

She does, but it felt more self-centered to me.  She's trying to pry information out of you.  Alistair reacts so beautifully to a simple explanation of Dalish funeral practices.  A lot of it is in the voice acting there, I think.  Also his "I'm so sorry" after Tamlen.

Ok now I'm a little verklemmt!

Edit:  The videos are here.... Morrigan and shapeshifting, Alistair and the Dalish (it's Maricstair, get over it)

*drools over Maricstair*

Um...I mean...

Is there someplace I can download this? For....um...reference purposes!

[tuppence95]

Yankee23 wrote...

Wow, stepped out for a bit...8 pages. Not to be a party pooper but since most of the people in here are Alistairians or friends of Alistairians why are we all in a hate thread while at home there are discussions of nugs, werewolves and hallas??

I'm not sure!  We kinda landed here and continued conversations we've been having back in the thread.  But I've been over there discussing the fate of Schmooples.  I don't want to kill Schmooples!  I just want some quiet!  :innocent:

[TotoroTori]

Zjarcal wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...
for starters I would love to say that you giving the pigtails a bad name like Branka did all over again

No! No hating on the pigtails please... 

Oh don't worry I'm not! cannon CousCous has the pigtails

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Wow, stepped out for a bit...8 pages. Not to be a party pooper but since most of the people in here are Alistairians or friends of Alistairians why are we all in a hate thread while at home there are discussions of nugs, werewolves and hallas??

LOL!

Well, a few days ago, there were about 10-15 pages dedicated to Loghain in the Alistair thread, even though we already have a Loghain thread...

And the Complete Defense one came back to life, too.