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[Yankee23]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Wow, stepped out for a bit...8 pages. Not to be a party pooper but since most of the people in here are Alistairians or friends of Alistairians why are we all in a hate thread while at home there are discussions of nugs, werewolves and hallas??

LOL!

Well, a few days ago, there were about 10-15 pages dedicated to Loghain in the Alistair thread, even though we already have a Loghain thread...

True, but we didn't leave to talk about Alistair in another thread while it was going on.

Edit: ToP...oh wait...

Modifié par Yankee23, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:47 .

[tuppence95]

Zjarcal wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Can you really blame him for not being happy about it?

I don't blame him for yelling if you kill Isolde since he's clearly against the blood ritual. I do blame him for yelling if you kill Connor since he himself suggested it.

I understand him being upset and not happy about it, but he should've remembered that he was in favor of killing Connor before yelling at the PC. I don't know if I should blame this on poor writing to be honest.

No, I think the Cunning dialogue after this reveals what's really going on.  It's an emotional freak-out over Eamon.  In other threads I've compared it to Jon Snow in Song of Ice and Fire, another bastard who's ill treated for that fact but who is more protective of his "trueborn" brothers and sisters than they are of each other.  Alistair is protective of Eamon's family and dreads Eamon waking up to find that he- Alistair- killed his son or his wife.  So when he says "I wouldn't normally suggest slaying a child," he's thinking like a reasoning Warden and templar.  When he freaks out afterward, he's thinking like an orphan boy who revered Eamon and got treated like a piece of dirt on the bottom of his shoe.

Actually you're right there. The cunning dialogue is sort of a "call him out on his crap" option.

Gaider himself said in the thread that was referenced earlier that Alistair doesn't always act logically. I guess that was indeed the writers intent.

It still annoys me though.

I do like the apology he gives though.  My husband sometimes has trouble admitting when he's wrong, so I enjoyed hearing Alistair do it.

[Addai]

Ryzaki wrote...

*drools over Maricstair*

Um...I mean...

Is there someplace I can download this? For....um...reference purposes!

For science!

[Zjarcal]

tuppence95 wrote...

I do like the apology he gives though.  My husband sometimes has trouble admitting when he's wrong, so I enjoyed hearing Alistair do it.

I've heard the apology and it is nice indeed. It still puzzles me that you will still get an approval drop of around 6 points, even if he apologizes.

I guess Gaider is right, Alistair doesn't always act logically.

[TotoroTori]

Reaverwind wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

For starters Alistair never had a real father figure before Duncan, even though it was six months Duncan was the closest thing he had to an actual father


Eamon didn't care for him properly and sent him off to the Chantry because of his crazy wife and rumors. Not to mention Eamon had him sleeping in the stables

What Alistair experienced at the hands of "dear Uncle Eamon" was severe neglect. I'd be shocked if anyone who spent all or part of their childhood in that kind of situation didn't have issues. And while we're on the subject - where's the Eamon rage thread?

Oh don't get me started on that man still pissed that he wouldn't let Dog be my champion
and then he uses Alistair and he will tell you that he would rather be the shadow then king himself the damn coward!

[Lenimph]

Zjarcal wrote...

I guess Gaider is right, Alistair doesn't always act logically.

No one does...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lenimph wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I guess Gaider is right, Alistair doesn't always act logically.

No one does...

But some act more logically than others.

[TotoroTori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I guess Gaider is right, Alistair doesn't always act logically.

No one does...

But some act more logically than others.

With that being said we can say a fly has more logic then most of us since they have the instinct to be able to avoid getting swat at.
But what is logic? What your head is saying or what you want to believe but somehow know it is wrong?

[Lenimph]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I guess Gaider is right, Alistair doesn't always act logically.

No one does...

But some act more logically than others.

True... but I wouldn't say any of the party members consistently act "logical"

Besides maybe ... dog?

Anyway my two cents for Alistair.
I liked him my first 2 playthroughs...
Now ... I just like to look at him... (boytoy)

Modifié par Lenimph, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:59 .

[Addai]

Zjarcal wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

I do like the apology he gives though.  My husband sometimes has trouble admitting when he's wrong, so I enjoyed hearing Alistair do it.

I've heard the apology and it is nice indeed. It still puzzles me that you will still get an approval drop of around 6 points, even if he apologizes.

I guess Gaider is right, Alistair doesn't always act logically.

I think approval sometimes registers that an NPC is upset, not necessarily personal disapproval of the Warden.  There are certain times when the NPC says something positive to you but you get an approval loss anyway.

[Reaverwind]

TotoroTori wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

For starters Alistair never had a real father figure before Duncan, even though it was six months Duncan was the closest thing he had to an actual father


Eamon didn't care for him properly and sent him off to the Chantry because of his crazy wife and rumors. Not to mention Eamon had him sleeping in the stables

What Alistair experienced at the hands of "dear Uncle Eamon" was severe neglect. I'd be shocked if anyone who spent all or part of their childhood in that kind of situation didn't have issues. And while we're on the subject - where's the Eamon rage thread?

Oh don't get me started on that man still pissed that he wouldn't let Dog be my champion
and then he uses Alistair and he will tell you that he would rather be the shadow then king himself the damn coward!

Too bad arranging for an "accident" isn't in the game.

[Merilsell]

Yankee23 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Wow, stepped out for a bit...8 pages. Not to be a party pooper but since most of the people in here are Alistairians or friends of Alistairians why are we all in a hate thread while at home there are discussions of nugs, werewolves and hallas??

LOL!

Well, a few days ago, there were about 10-15 pages dedicated to Loghain in the Alistair thread, even though we already have a Loghain thread...

True, but we didn't leave to talk about Alistair in another thread while it was going on.

Edit: ToP...oh wait...

Haha, we have overtaken this thread. Exellent. Or how Alistair would say:

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...

For science!

Thank you kindly!

[KnightofPhoenix]

TotoroTori wrote...
With that being said we can say a fly has more logic then most of us since they have the instinct to be able to avoid getting swat at.
But what is logic? What your head is saying or what you want to believe but somehow know it is wrong?

No, since logic is very much the opposite of instincts.

Logic, in its simplest definition, is the rational ability to link cause and effect and of being consistent and coherent.
And I don't get your last question.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:04 .

[TotoroTori]

Reaverwind wrote...


Too bad arranging for an "accident" isn't in the game.

Just want to punch the dirk or b*tch slap him, but stealing from him always makes me feel better too

[TotoroTori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...
With that being said we can say a fly has more logic then most of us since they have the instinct to be able to avoid getting swat at.
But what is logic? What your head is saying or what you want to believe but somehow know it is wrong?

No, since logic is very much the opposite of instincts.

Logic, in its simplest definition, is the ability to link cause and effect and of being consistent and coherent.
And I don't get your last question.

Sorry let me revises that

Should we trust logic or trust our basic instincts?

warning Tori is not a debater and fails miserably

[Shanara Windwalker]

It's late and I really can't read through all of this though I did try. It bothered me too at first that with my HN he forgot about my family and was so focused on the death of Duncan. But then I started thinking that much of that was guilt as well. He says if he had been there he might have saved Duncan. Not logical but still, guilt is a powerful emotion. A father figure and he feels he could have saved him. So I don't think he's so much whiny as he's trying to deal with the guilt. And yes, he realizes he would have died too, but that's game mechanics and time restraints. Self-centered? Yes, but who of us isn't to a degree? Especially when we feel guilty about something.



Hmm.. I haven't decided how I feel about Eamon. I read a lot of history and well, he's no worse or better than anyone in his position.

[tuppence95]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I guess Gaider is right, Alistair doesn't always act logically.

No one does...

But some act more logically than others.

But sometimes too much logic isn't necessarily a good thing.  Logic doesn't always work well with spontaneity, passion, whimsy, silliness, sometimes love.

[KnightofPhoenix]

TotoroTori wrote...
Should we trust logic or trust our basic instincts?

warning Tori is not a debater and fails miserably

Since we are human beings, and not like other animals, endowed with free will and rational capacity, and since we have control over our reason while have no control over our instincs, I'd say we should trust reason and logic more.

That does not mean instincts are useless, or wrong or that they should always be disregarded.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tuppence95 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
But some act more logically than others.

But sometimes too much logic isn't necessarily a good thing.  Logic doesn't always work well with spontaneity, passion, whimsy, silliness, sometimes love.

Actually, as a fan of David Hume, I believe that reason is a tool for the passions. Passion is different than emotion.


And why is silliness a good thing?
And why are we talking philosophy?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:13 .

[tuppence95]

Merilsell wrote...
Haha, we have overtaken this thread. Exellent. Or how Alistair would say:

[Shanara Windwalker]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...
Should we trust logic or trust our basic instincts?

warning Tori is not a debater and fails miserably

Since we are human beings, and not like other animals, endowed with free will and rational capacity, and since we have control over our reason while have no control over our instincs, I'd say we should trust reason and logic more.

That does not mean instincts are useless, or wrong or that they should always be disregarded.

You know what I find funny about this. Whenever there's something important I have to decide and my instinct tells me one thing, logic another..... my instinct is 99% right. And I end up kicking myself for not going with my instinct. Women's intuition? *shrugs*

[tuppence95]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
But some act more logically than others.

But sometimes too much logic isn't necessarily a good thing.  Logic doesn't always work well with spontaneity, passion, whimsy, silliness, sometimes love.

Actually, as a fan of David Hume, I believe that reason is a tool for the passions. Passion is different than emotion.


And why is silliness is a good thing?
And why are we talking philosophy?

Occasional silliness can be a wonderful thing!  It's good for the soul.  

And I have no idea why we are talking philosophy.  It's way too late for me to be thinking so much.  

[KnightofPhoenix]

Shanara Windwalker wrote...

You know what I find funny about this. Whenever there's something important I have to decide and my instinct tells me one thing, logic another..... my instinct is 99% right. And I end up kicking myself for not going with my instinct. Women's intuition? *shrugs*

I guess that's what contributed to the belief that men are creatures of logic while women are intuitive beings

(I do not believe this btw)

[TotoroTori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...
With that being said we can say a fly has more logic then most of us since they have the instinct to be able to avoid getting swat at.
But what is logic? What your head is saying or what you want to believe but somehow know it is wrong?

No, since logic is very much the opposite of instincts.

Logic, in its simplest definition, is the rational ability to link cause and effect and of being consistent and coherent.
And I don't get your last question.

because I have been dabating in my college class....and now I feel like a know-it-all