Interesting start to my second paragraph, then.Ryzaki wrote...
BW already said they were going to warn when there was going to be a time skip.
Modifié par pitchblaq, 05 novembre 2010 - 08:51 .
Ryzaki wrote...
pitchblaq wrote...
Would it be better, I wonder, to allow all companions to wear everything, despite the potential that any party member may be entirely absent for several if not all following time periods? Imagine the burn of having Alistair walk away with your Dragon Bone Plate every time skip.
Is it more immersive to encounter your 'heads up, things are about to get messy' story progression warning and strip everyone down to their smallclothes so you don't lose your best armor? Just because we've had one system before doesn't necessarily mean that it's the only system that can work.
BW already said they were going to warn when there was going to be a time skip.
yukidama wrote...
Good thing there's no liquor in my house or I'd be dead over taking shots every time someone says Dragon Effect.
Taking the clothes of dead people at the beginning of a game isn't as odd as taking everyone's clothes several times during the game, at least in my opinion.Harid wrote...
Easily managed by automatically unequipping your party members who leave post skip like they did with Daveth and Jory.
Nefario wrote...
Rawgrim wrote...
Nefario wrote...
Rawgrim wrote...
It gives you less stuff to manage, when removing outfits and such. Ergo its dumbing the game down.
Well, first, you're only losing helm, glove, and boot slots.
Second, the outfits are upgradable.
Third, there are (eventually) rune slots for enchantments, which the main campaign in Origins didn't even have.
So there's still plenty of stuff to manage for the followers, it would seem.
But I'm inclined to disagree with your argument just for what it is, anyway. Less items to manage doesn't make the game dumber any more than more items would make it smarter. In fact, more items would probably just make it more tedious.
Only losing helm, glove and boots? Thats half the slots from the first game, man.
Outfits are upgradable, sure. But it doesn`t show does it? Still the same outfits in the game. the only thing thye customize are numbers.
Where does Isabella keep her runestones, I wonder? Does she have slots for them in her bra?
Less is pretty much allways less. I do belive Bioware said it would be less skills as well. But you can boost each skill to make it better. If you have more factors in play,, it makes the game "broader", and it gives you alot more options on how to deal with situations, certain fights, how to fight certain enemies. And whatsnot. But you are right. More equipment doesn`t make a game smarter. But it does add an extra, and kind of vital, dimension to an rpg.
Well, it's three out of eight. Less than half... though I know what you mean. It's significant.
Upgrades and enchantments probably don't show (I'm guessing), but again, that's really more just a visual issue.
I'm not sure about abilities... some are certainly upgradeable, but I don't know if there are going to be less or not. I get the impression that for followers, there will be. But I think that has more to do with having more strongly defined characters. For example, Isabela is a duelist, so you're not going to have an archery tree for her.
It does take something away from how well you're able to customize your character in terms of having them being able to fulfill different roles. And if that's something that's important to you, I guess there's a legitimate complaint there.
Personally, I'm in favor of it if it helps to build a stronger (in terms of characterization, not so much battle prowess) character.
I can respect your taking issue, but I don't think it's fair to call this sort of change a "dumbing down".
You might as well have said that RPG's just aren't your thing.Anything that allows me to spend more time enjoying the game and less time on micro-managing inventory is a good thing.
Rawgrim wrote...
Side note: anyone know how many companions we will be getting? I f mass effect is anything to go by, we should be getting a few more than in the first game right?
Agreed this is the first change that I really don't like at all. Honestly how can the devs have not looked at the reaction to the changes in ME2 and not thought this was a bad idea. There is basically no comeback to the Dragon Effect claims now.Wyndham711 wrote...
On the gameplay side of things this is the only _really_ bad decision I've yet witnessed of DA2. I think this is horrendously bad choice.
Modifié par Morroian, 05 novembre 2010 - 08:58 .
Harid wrote...
I kinda got away from JRPG's for the choices you could make in WRPGs. . .and now WRPGs are beginning to move toward the directions of JRPG's via the elimination of choice.
I just. . .I don't know anymore. Chainmail bikinis, meaningless choices, and bosses you fight repeatedly is our future.
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
What if the armour isn't heavy enough for the role I have that character playing in combat? Like a Rogue acting as tank. If I increase that Rogue's strength enough in DAO, I can give him heavy armour and thus improve his performance. Apparently this is denied me in DA2.Anarya wrote...
What do you mean by "the wrong sort of armor"? This is literally impossible in a system like that.
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I wouldn't be surprised.rexil wrote...
Or maybe Arcane Warrior got cut out just for the sake of companions unique look.
This is the tail wagging the dog. They're designing this game backward.
MerinTB wrote...
yukidama wrote...
Good thing there's no liquor in my house or I'd be dead over taking shots every time someone says Dragon Effect.
Heh... well, I encourage everyone upset with this change to finally add to there sig -
DRAGON EFFECT
and therefore you can just drink yourself dead anytime one of us posts.
Also -
Dragon Effect.
Dragon Effect.
Dragon Effect.
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I've got an idea - why let us choose a class? Wouldn't it be easier to tell a more compelling narrative if they could just focus on Hawke the Warrior or Hawke the Mage?
Of course it would!
And why the story choices? That makes it harder for a compelling narrative! How about the game proceeds on a set game pattern, and all the player can affect is how they fight the combats and where they put upgrade points!
That'd be awesome!
That'd be Final Fantasy!
SO CLOSE. Dragon Effect is so close to Final Fantasy I can almost taste it.
that should incite something
Sirsmirkalot wrote...
You might as well have said that RPG's just aren't your thing.Anything that allows me to spend more time enjoying the game and less time on micro-managing inventory is a good thing.
Rawgrim wrote...
Nefario wrote...
Rawgrim wrote...
It gives you less stuff to manage, when removing outfits and such. Ergo its dumbing the game down.
Well, first, you're only losing helm, glove, and boot slots.
Second, the outfits are upgradable.
Third, there are (eventually) rune slots for enchantments, which the main campaign in Origins didn't even have.
So there's still plenty of stuff to manage for the followers, it would seem.
But I'm inclined to disagree with your argument just for what it is, anyway. Less items to manage doesn't make the game dumber any more than more items would make it smarter. In fact, more items would probably just make it more tedious.
Only losing helm, glove and boots? Thats half the slots from the first game, man.
Outfits are upgradable, sure. But it doesn`t show does it? Still the same outfits in the game. the only thing thye customize are numbers.
Where does Isabella keep her runestones, I wonder? Does she have slots for them in her bra?
Less is pretty much allways less. I do belive Bioware said it would be less skills as well. But you can boost each skill to make it better. If you have more factors in play,, it makes the game "broader", and it gives you alot more options on how to deal with situations, certain fights, how to fight certain enemies. And whatsnot. But you are right. More equipment doesn`t make a game smarter. But it does add an extra, and kind of vital, dimension to an rpg.
Sirsmirkalot wrote...
You might as well have said that RPG's just aren't your thing.Anything that allows me to spend more time enjoying the game and less time on micro-managing inventory is a good thing.
JohnEpler wrote...
One more time - if you're here to discuss or debate, great! Just stay polite and civil and I don't care if you think we're making Dragon Age 2 out of liquefied evil, so long as you're being constructive.
If you're just going to post to try and get a reaction, though, you will be getting a vacation. These forums are not your personal soapbox, nor are they the back seat of your parents' minivan where you can try and goad someone into a reaction so you tell your parents 'he hit me! He hit me!'
Morroian wrote...
Agreed this is the first change that I really don't like at all. Honestly how can the devs have not looked at the reaction to the changes in ME2 and not thought this was a bad idea. There is basically no comeback to the Dragon Effect claims now.Wyndham711 wrote...
On the gameplay side of things this is the only _really_ bad decision I've yet witnessed of DA2. I think this is horrendously bad choice.
JohnEpler wrote...
One more time - if you're here to discuss or debate, great! Just stay polite and civil and I don't care if you think we're making Dragon Age 2 out of liquefied evil, so long as you're being constructive.
If you're just going to post to try and get a reaction, though, you will be getting a vacation. These forums are not your personal soapbox, nor are they the back seat of your parents' minivan where you can try and goad someone into a reaction so you tell your parents 'he hit me! He hit me!'
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