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[Kilshrek]

There is a certain degree of suspension of disbelief required to play games I think.. Isabela running into battle topless is just about as believable as our characters getting bashed 10 times, and bashing the enemy 10 times, with swords/shields/hammers/axes etc. I won't disagree that this is a significant departure from previous Bioware RPG's (barring ME 2), but DA 2 is not throwing the baby out with the bath, unlike ME 2. BUT it is this, the inventory system, and not the art, which is generic. Be thankful we don't put up with "Lord of Warhammer : Reign of Cataclysm" or something that comes out once a year with more and more polish, followed by less and less story.

The inventory is still there. I also defy anyone who dislikes this change to say that PST was a terrible game because of its lack of inventory/character customization. You couldn't do anything but alter the stats of the Nameless One. edit : at the start of the game that is. Even then, was there ever Studded Leather + 5 for him?

As far as the cynical DLC route goes, it remains to be seen if they follow in the footsteps of my personal benchmark for cynical DLC releases, Mafia 2.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 06 novembre 2010 - 02:59 .

[nisallik]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

I haven't read enough of this thread, but exactly how many people actually LIKE this idea in comparison to those who DON'T like it?

I like it... it gives a certain personality to the character that just doesn't fit if they were wearing generic light armor tier 2 that 3 other party companions at camp are wearing.

[crimzontearz]

David Gaider wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
ok...these mods and upgrades are they going to be as important and effective as armor/vestments/unique items?

I don't know, and I'm not really the person to comment on them.

You know if THAT is the case then......
a lot of people would stop complaining........

The hell you say.

trust me

Torment is the non plus ultra RPG for a lot of people complaining here

if that was the case (meaning accessories = boosts to improve armor/defense/stats/abilities comparable to armor and other equipment related buffs) then it would make this system very similar to Torment...and a lot of people would think twice before complaining so much about static outfits


as for ng+ it's ok I uhnderstand....tho.......if you guys could spare some comments in the future a lot of people would appreciate

[Lord_Valandil]

David Gaider wrote...

You know if THAT is the case then......
a lot of people would stop complaining........

The hell you say.

LOL.
That's impossible.

[Maconbar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maconbar wrote...
Logos-based arguments are the only valid ones.

/facedesk

Not this again.

Man I hope that Sylvius (sp?) gets on soon to really get things going. 

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

David Gaider wrote...

"People" meaning the people who sit on these forums day-in and day-out? My point was that those exact people are the ones who are most biased one way or the other, and in the case of DA it's still people who are emotionally committed to DAO (and good on 'em-- I happen to like that game, too) and don't have a lot of attachment to DA2 just yet. Possibly they never will, but if they choose to remain on these forums and complain to Jinstar levels of bitterness that hardly makes their points any more valid, does it?

In other words, I'm not saying these arguments are invalid-- not in the least. But considering where they're originating, they're hardly surprising, either.

Stop giving me valid reasons to be this bitter Mr Gaider, and I won't be. Why don't you guys just be honest and say either you wanted DA2 to be alot like ME2 to "try that system out" or the new EA overlords chose that direction for you. Because thats seriously the vibe you folks seem to be giving me anyway, all the while reassuring people that its not "just like ME2".

[Collider]

I stopped taking this post serious at "casual was too hard"

God forbid someone isn't a gaming god like you.

[ENolan]

David Gaider wrote...

"People" meaning the people who sit on these forums day-in and day-out?

Are they all that bad? I still have yet to be here long enough to form an opinion like that.

:blink:Eegh, hope I'm not in that roster. I haven't even made a full opinion on DA2 yet.

[EDIT: But then again, I am an open-minded skeptic. I don't know how that works out, being a living paradox...]

Modifié par The Director, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:04 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Maria Caliban wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ouch that one was venomous

I think I've reached Merrin's state of total apathy towards DA2.

Yes, the intensely bitter and resentful state of total apathy. Very popular on internet forums, I hear.

Be proud, its partly your fault.

[Lord_Valandil]

The Director wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

"People" meaning the people who sit on these forums day-in and day-out?

Are they all that bad? I still have yet to be here long enough to form an opinion like that.

:blink:Eegh, hope I'm not in that roster. I haven't even made a full opinion on DA2 yet.

I don't know. I'm relatively new around these forums as well.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:04 .

[upsettingshorts]

The Director wrote...

[EDIT: But then again, I am an open-minded skeptic. I don't know how that works out, being a living paradox...]

Those are the only kinds of skeptics I take seriously.

[Maconbar]

The Director wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

"People" meaning the people who sit on these forums day-in and day-out?

Are they all that bad? I still have yet to be here long enough to form an opinion like that.

:blink:Eegh, hope I'm not in that roster. I haven't even made a full opinion on DA2 yet.

As long as you have a full opinion by COB 7 November 2010.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Collider wrote...

I stopped taking this post serious at "casual was too hard"

God forbid someone isn't a gaming god like you.

Pause and play/tactics  is your friend Though I guess that style of play is difficult on the 360.

[Kilshrek]

crimzontearz wrote...
trust me

Torment is the non plus ultra RPG for a lot of people complaining here

if that was the case (meaning accessories = boosts to improve armor/defense/stats/abilities comparable to armor and other equipment related buffs) then it would make this system very similar to Torment...and a lot of people would think twice before complaining so much about static outfits


as for ng+ it's ok I uhnderstand....tho.......if you guys could spare some comments in the future a lot of people would appreciate

Dude what? If I listened to the podcast correctly, PST is what the DA 2 inventory system is modelled on. It's definitely not a carbon copy of it, but from the screenshots and what Mike said, it sure seems like it. PST and a bit more even, since looks evolve and you get to upgrade the bits n bobs. THAT is immediately ME 2 + the internet.
All further arguments should be invalid now.

[Dhiro]

We're talking about equipment-armor here or equipment-weapon, too? Because I'm with this feeling that Isabela's knife is here to stay.

[upsettingshorts]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Pause and play/tactics  is your friend Though I guess that style of play is difficult on the 360.

Glorious PC gaming master race card?  A bit early to be playing that one.  

Dhiro wrote...

We're talking about equipment-armor here or equipment-weapon, too? Because I'm with this feeling that Isabela's knife is here to stay.

I'm pretty sure it's just the clothes/armor.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:08 .

[crimzontearz]

Kilshrek wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
trust me

Torment is the non plus ultra RPG for a lot of people complaining here

if that was the case (meaning accessories = boosts to improve armor/defense/stats/abilities comparable to armor and other equipment related buffs) then it would make this system very similar to Torment...and a lot of people would think twice before complaining so much about static outfits


as for ng+ it's ok I uhnderstand....tho.......if you guys could spare some comments in the future a lot of people would appreciate

Dude what? If I listened to the podcast correctly, PST is what the DA 2 inventory system is modelled on. It's definitely not a carbon copy of it, but from the screenshots and what Mike said, it sure seems like it. PST and a bit more even, since looks evolve and you get to upgrade the bits n bobs. THAT is immediately ME 2 + the internet.
All further arguments should be invalid now.

we do not know that because we do not know HOW effective the accessories are...if they are as effective as PST then we are in business

[mellifera]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

"People" meaning the people who sit on these forums day-in and day-out? My point was that those exact people are the ones who are most biased one way or the other, and in the case of DA it's still people who are emotionally committed to DAO (and good on 'em-- I happen to like that game, too) and don't have a lot of attachment to DA2 just yet. Possibly they never will, but if they choose to remain on these forums and complain to Jinstar levels of bitterness that hardly makes their points any more valid, does it?

In other words, I'm not saying these arguments are invalid-- not in the least. But considering where they're originating, they're hardly surprising, either.

Stop giving me valid reasons to be this bitter Mr Gaider, and I won't be. Why don't you guys just be honest and say either you wanted DA2 to be alot like ME2 to "try that system out" or the new EA overlords chose that direction for you. Because thats seriously the vibe you folks seem to be giving me anyway, all the while reassuring people that its not "just like ME2".

Don't you think this is a bit dramatic?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Saibh wrote...

But...no matter what I do, I can't make Leliana a mage, or spec Morrigan as a rogue. I don't have full control over them. I have control only over what the devs gave me to begin with.

What point are you trying to make?

Characters you control are PCs.  Characters you don't control are NPCs.

Which are the companions?

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Pause and play/tactics  is your friend Though I guess that style of play is difficult on the 360.

Glorious PC gaming master race card?  A bit early to be playing that one.  

Not at all, just the way it's come across by some posts I've read that type of play didn't translate that well to the console versions of DA:O. Having not played the console versions, I took a guess that Collider played Origins on a 360 or PS3.

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maconbar wrote...
Logos-based arguments are the only valid ones.

/facedesk

Not this again.

People who are persuaded by passion and ethical based arguments may not be human.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

What point are you trying to make?

Characters you control are PCs.  Characters you don't control are NPCs.

Which are the companions?

NPCs.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[crimzontearz]

Dhiro wrote...

We're talking about equipment-armor here or equipment-weapon, too? Because I'm with this feeling that Isabela's knife is here to stay.

no they specified that weapons are swappable at any time

[ENolan]

Maconbar wrote...

The Director wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

"People" meaning the people who sit on these forums day-in and day-out?

Are they all that bad? I still have yet to be here long enough to form an opinion like that.

:blink:Eegh, hope I'm not in that roster. I haven't even made a full opinion on DA2 yet.

As long as you have a full opinion by COB 7 November 2010.

Ok, I'm a newb with acronyms. What's COB?

[Yes, I'm not friendly with them. 'Laughing Out Loud' and I got into an argument over what goes better on steak and I never used it because of those events.]

[Pritos]

Am I the only one who doesn't see THAT much of resemblance between what has been revealed of DA2 up to now and ME2?

[crimzontearz]

Pritos wrote...

Am I the only one who doesn't see THAT much of resemblance between what has been revealed of DA2 up to now and ME2?

what?

ok, Abilites with Upgrades....check

non customizable companion outfits .....Check

Companions with out of class/unique trees.....check

Hawke/Shepard being the only fully customizable character.....check

need I go on? not that it's all bad but......it is noticeable