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[pitchblaq]

Addai67 wrote...

The fact that this pisses some of us off is being weighed against the men who are going to buy the game because they get to stare at Isabela's ass and huge gazongas the entire game.  Huge gazongas win.

For all your talk of sexism, you sure don't seem to mind stereotyping men.

[DarthCaine]

Look, IMO ME2>DAO>ME1, but I really didn't like the way they handled armor for party members in ME2.

I don't mind having unique armor for party members, as long as there's at least 5 unique armors for each party member, but as it is, with DA2 spanning 10 years and having only one armor for each squad mate, this seems worse than ME2's way.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:24 .

[tdawg7669]

filaminstrel wrote...

Why would she have an icon for her outfit if it was completely unchanging?

Also, when Laidlaw says, "As they progress, and actually, it's worth noting that we are covering a 10 year history here, the follower's armor will progress on its own as well-- like the follower will, between periods of time, as they progress, they will actually grow stronger-- they'll kind of keep up-- they're not going to be in the same stuff they were wearing at level 1."

That seems to indicate to me that it will be changing visually. You could say he's just using ambiguous wording to give him the wiggle room to say he never actually said that and the outfit stays the same visually the whole way through, but I'm going to be an optimist on this until proven otherwise.

Considering past history and the fact that he goes out of his way to point out things like you can change weapons, I see no reason to be optimistic given that vague statement.

[DAOME2FTW]

I don't see why they should change it from Dragon age origins.

[mellifera]

DarthCaine wrote...

yukidama wrote...

They'll just buy new ones!

Wouldn't the same type of clothes go out of style after a few years? It'd be kinda hard to find the exact same thing to buy every few months for 10 years

Not if they go to seamstress or a tailor or a shoemaker or whoever and says, "Hey, I want an item that looks like this" and gets it made.

Modifié par yukidama, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[Gavinthelocust]

yukidama wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

yukidama wrote...

They'll just buy new ones!

Wouldn't the same type of clothes go out of style after a few years? It'd be kinda hard to find the exact same thing to buy every few months for 10 years

Not if they go to seamstress or a tailor or a shoemaker or whoeverand says, "Hey, I want an item that looks like this" and gets it made.

But then it implies a weird obsession over wearing the same clothing amung all the companions.

[mellifera]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

yukidama wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

yukidama wrote...

They'll just buy new ones!

Wouldn't the same type of clothes go out of style after a few years? It'd be kinda hard to find the exact same thing to buy every few months for 10 years

Not if they go to seamstress or a tailor or a shoemaker or whoeverand says, "Hey, I want an item that looks like this" and gets it made.

But then it implies a weird obsession over wearing the same clothing amung all the companions.

It also implies that it even matters somehow to logically try and make sense of why a video game character would be wearing the same outfit for an extended period of time xD

[Maugrim]

Addai67 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

How does this bode for re-playability though? If your characters wears pretty much the same in every playthrough. And it also sounded like they would be using weapons that suited their personality mostly. Isabella using 2 daggers etc. I kind of suspect you can`t even equip her with an axe (for example). And where the heck would one stuff runes on her outfit? Down her bra?

They get the same money out of you if you play the game once, or don't even finish, than if you play it into the ground.  So who cares about replayability?  And why have all those choices?  Choices cost the devs money.

The fact that this pisses some of us off is being weighed against the men who are going to buy the game because they get to stare at Isabela's ass and huge gazongas the entire game.  Huge gazongas win.

Wrong again! Your so ignorant! 

Women are going to stare at the huge gazongas and ass too!

[Gavinthelocust]

yukidama wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

yukidama wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

yukidama wrote...

They'll just buy new ones!

Wouldn't the same type of clothes go out of style after a few years? It'd be kinda hard to find the exact same thing to buy every few months for 10 years

Not if they go to seamstress or a tailor or a shoemaker or whoeverand says, "Hey, I want an item that looks like this" and gets it made.

But then it implies a weird obsession over wearing the same clothing amung all the companions.

It also implies that it even matters somehow to logically try and make sense of why a video game character would be wearing the same outfit for an extended period of time xD

Boredom does that to ya

[TheConfidenceMan]

DAOME2FTW wrote...

I don't see why they should change it from Dragon age origins.

Do you think that  [L0RdzOfDeTh]XboxSNIPAKILAA02321 wants to fiddle around with party member outfits? 

[pitchblaq]

Did we really make it five pages before someone blamed console gamers?

[Apollo Starflare]

DarthCaine wrote...

Look, IMO ME2>DAO>ME1, but I really didn't like the way they handled armor for party members in ME2.

I don't mind having unique armor for party members, as long as there's at least 5 unique armors for each party member, but as it is, with DA2 spanning 10 years and having only one armor for each squad mate, this seems worse than ME2's way.

Yeah I agree. It wouldn't even have to be five each to make me happy, I mean matching ME2's two outfits per character would be a start. I would be happy with two or three unique outfits (not just re-coloured versions) per character, this would give enough variety and not hog development time I wouldn't have thought (but what do I know lol). That said I still find the whole thing a little unclear, Mike didn't outright say that most party members would get one outfit, although the fact it is the exception rather than the rule is certainly worrying.

pitchblaq wrote...

Did we really make it five pages before someone blamed console gamers?

I think someone else might have done on page two... <_< 

Modifié par Apollo Starflare, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:37 .

[nhsk]

So now we have like 3 or 4 different outfits for the companions, kinda like ME2? (meh customization with runes - bleh, I want to manage every little part of my partys equipment.)



time to cancel pre-order and wait to see the game reviews...

[JiggleBelly]

so...armor sets are gone I'm guessing? It is starting to sound like items and itemization will play a very small role in this game. Which is a shame, I love item hunting and equipping new finds. I suddenly find myself dreading this news: 'There will only be 2-4 of each weapon type, with each one simply being an upgrade to the one before it'

[Gavinthelocust]

pitchblaq wrote...

Did we really make it five pages before someone blamed console gamers?

Expected it to go further.
I'm a console gamer and I loved the inventory, being able to switch out armor between companions, so don't blame it on us.

[Brockololly]

shepard_lives wrote...
At this point, and with this info, it's really a matter of trusting or not trusting the dev team. Personally, I trust them. I think they'll give us at least a couple of outfits per companion.

Well, I'd have no problem of you had several "unique" outfits for each companion in the game. But it sounds like you get the one and can change the stats on it and still use rings, amulets and all that, but those still don't change the companion's appearance. So you can give Isabela some nice amulet but she'll have her Mr.T bling grafted to her neck.

Daewan wrote...
I had no problem changing Morrigan out of her Chasind gear whenever I  felt like it.  What stopped you from slapping some Tevinter robes on  her, or even a Chantry robe?  Both changed her appearance  significantly.  Or were you expecting her to change clothes automatically?

I think perhaps you misunderstand me- I'm saying that in this new system, its the equivalent of visually being forced to have Morrigan in those Witch robes the whole game. So even if I wanted now to make her an arcane warrior and slap some armor on her, you wouldn't be able to do that. If they're going this new route, I'd like some measure of choice and agency still, beyond just stat tweaking their existing outfit. Its just another step in taking away player choice.

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
Some may, but that is more the  exception rather than the rule. Their equipment, however, will evolve  over time from a statistical point of view, as will your access to  upgrades. Apologies for the confusion.

So they'll be wearing the same clothes for 10 years... Hope they've got a good laundromat in Kirkwall. Would hate it if Isabela spilled some nacho cheese on her pirtate gear and have to deal with that for 10 years. And still no visual changes when you equip the rings, amulets or belts on the companions?

And in looking at those screens of the inventory, is it also the case that companions now no longer have a spot for helmets/headgear? I guess that answers the helmet toggle question and the goofy mage hats....

And DW rogues can only equip daggers as a pair? So no more one long handed sword + dagger, or dual axes or axe+dagger, everything has to be equipped as a group?

DAOME2FTW wrote...

I don't see why they should change it from Dragon age origins.

Before anyone pegs me as some reactionary that simply wants DA2 to be a DAO clone, no thats not it at all. Unique looks are cool if they would have been handled like Morrigan in DAO- each companion having the one or 2 unique looks but then being able to have other stuff beyond that. I'm guessing thats not feasible for resources sake, but still, visually at least this just comes across as a step backwards and limits player choice and agency, which should be paramount in an RPG.

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:43 .

[Apollo Starflare]

JiggleBelly wrote...

so...armor sets are gone I'm guessing? It is starting to sound like items and itemization will play a very small role in this game. Which is a shame, I love item hunting and equipping new finds. I suddenly find myself dreading this news: 'There will only be 2-4 of each weapon type, with each one simply being an upgrade to the one before it'

Nah doesn't look like it, you can see Hawke is wearing 'Ferelden field boots' in his screenshot, and Hawke himself has all the old slots. It looks to me like for the player character it's business as usual. Still hoping at least a handful of companions get different looks over the ten years however.

Brockololly wrote... And in looking at those screens of the inventory, is it also the
case that companions now no longer have a spot for helmets/headgear? I
guess that answers the helmet toggle question and the goofy mage
hats....

What about Hawke? He/she still has the headgear slot, I thought it was as much an issue for the main character as the companions?

Modifié par Apollo Starflare, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:42 .

[Addai]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Wrong again! Your so ignorant! 

Women are going to stare at the huge gazongas and ass too!

Yeah, because that subset of female players is foremost in game executives' marketing strategy.  [/sarcasm]  And I do love the irony of the phrase "your so ignorant."  LOL  Ah, the internet.

[pitchblaq]

Apollo Starflare wrote...
I think someone else might have done on page two... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] 

Ah, I thought he was being facetious.

Maybe I give too much credit.

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Expected it to go further.

I didn't. Whenever something appears to be altered in any way, much of this forum is quick to point the finger.

Modifié par pitchblaq, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:43 .

[tdawg7669]

nhsk wrote...

So now we have like 3 or 4 different outfits for the companions, kinda like ME2? (meh customization with runes - bleh, I want to manage every little part of my partys equipment.)

time to cancel pre-order and wait to see the game reviews...

No as far as we know, we have 1 outfit for most companions.

[Brockololly]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Nah doesn't look like it, you can see Hawke is wearing 'Ferelden field boots' in his screenshot, and Hawke himself has all the old slots. It looks to me like for the player character it's business as usual. Still hoping at least a handful of companions get different looks over the ten years however.

But I think the notion that there will be far less looting and thus far less gear is definitely not out of question. Since we're only properly equipping Hawke with boots, armor, gauntlets and helms those'll be much less numerous this go around. Which makes me wonder how the economy is possibly changing as selling loot was a big part of Origins...

Apollo Starflare wrote...
What about Hawke? He/she still has the headgear slot, I thought it was as much an issue for the main character as the companions?

Sure Hawke has the headgear slot like Origins, but Isabela didn't. So it would seem if you don't even give companions any headgear you've partially solved the problem of a toggle. Not that the headgear toggle would be any problem if we get a toolset for DA2...

[tdawg7669]

JiggleBelly wrote...

so...armor sets are gone I'm guessing? It is starting to sound like items and itemization will play a very small role in this game. Which is a shame, I love item hunting and equipping new finds. I suddenly find myself dreading this news: 'There will only be 2-4 of each weapon type, with each one simply being an upgrade to the one before it'

This im not too worried about. Hawke has "Fereldan longsword" equipped in the screenshot. I highly doubt that would fit into a ME2 like weapon system.

[tdawg7669]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

pitchblaq wrote...

Did we really make it five pages before someone blamed console gamers?

Expected it to go further.
I'm a console gamer and I loved the inventory, being able to switch out armor between companions, so don't blame it on us.

Same here. In fact its the CONSOLE gamers who get screwed here. Those of us that dont have the PCs to run a game like DA2 cant download armor mods like PC gamers can.

[pitchblaq]

tdawg7669 wrote...

This im not too worried about. Hawke has "Fereldan longsword" equipped in the screenshot. I highly doubt that would fit into a ME2 like weapon system.

It's in his inventory with his shield. He has a two-hander equipped.

...not that that affects your point at all.