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[upsettingshorts]

Adanu wrote...
YOu know the saddest thing about that retouch? That people think "bigger breasts' means 'unhealthy in this thread. Not only are there plenty of women with F cups, but it's a FRIGGING FANTASY VIDEO GAME PEOPLE.

No-one is actually saying that.  Respond to what people are actually saying, not a reductionist misrepresentation of their arguments.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 novembre 2010 - 07:12 .

[RedRoo]

Personally, I can't understand why people would be upset with the new female models (not that I'm disagreeing; I get the feminist angle at hand.)



I always remember when NWN2 was in development, and there was this huge clamour for the devs to make character models more "realistic". When the game shipped with hunch backed characters and women with less fantastical proportions, people were pissed.



To a lesser extent, you had that in DA:O; though that was more a technical limitation with female models using the male rigging (leather armor on females looks, without a doubt, ridiculous). I know a lot of people say the new model breaks their immersion-- that old DA:O model broke my immersion. I couldn't like my female character, knowing she was built like her male counterparts but with heaving watermelons in an attempt to distract the eye.



And that seductive Morrigan walk? Eugh. That just upset me from a consistency level. (she gained a whole new bone structure just by getting naked?? Thank God that doesn't happen when I go make sexy times)



It'll just always be one of those things you'll never find a consensus with. Do I think objectifying women is a bad thing? Absolutely-- I think you'd have a hard time finding someone who'd disagree with that claim. But in my hyper-idealized fantasy game, I'm not going to break a sweat when my Victoria's Secret warrior backflips like she's never heard of gravity. Different strokes for different folks, and all that.

[jbell2825]

Are people really upset that the look is unrealistic in terms of combat? Besides the whole fantasy setting to begin with, why are we not complaining about the type of combat as a whole? If its the objectification of women, shouldnt we be complaining about looks as well, not just body size?

[Wulfram]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Just to drop in here, I find it interesting that no one ever stops to wonder if, perhaps, Varric were prone to exaggerating more than just facts about Hawke...

I suppose time will tell, but there might be a few surprises in store for the keen of eye.

I guess we need to see Cassandra's breasts to verify this

[ENolan]

Wulfram wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Just to drop in here, I find it interesting that no one ever stops to wonder if, perhaps, Varric were prone to exaggerating more than just facts about Hawke...

I suppose time will tell, but there might be a few surprises in store for the keen of eye.

I guess we need to see Cassandra's breasts to verify this

How did this thread go so long without that comment being put in so soon?<_<

[ErichHartmann]

Wulfram wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Just to drop in here, I find it interesting that no one ever stops to wonder if, perhaps, Varric were prone to exaggerating more than just facts about Hawke...

I suppose time will tell, but there might be a few surprises in store for the keen of eye.

I guess we need to see Cassandra's breasts to verify this

Yes, we need the oppurtunity to entice Cassandra out of her plate armor (which magically makes everyone flat chested. )

[Chaos Lord Malek]

I personally like the new female models a lot more then what we seen in previous game or even titles from Bioware.



I can tell you , i rather play 'over exaggerated' female characters, then if they would look like males (and you could`t even made a difference between them). And besides that - look at the concurention, i seen some people having here Witcher signatures, and in that game - EVERY women is 'busty' pornstars.



At the moment from graphical and artistic style, Dragon Age 2 is shaping up to be best ever, from Bioware. We get long hairs, better character models and animations - all i wanted them to improve is coming, great work Bioware, keep it up!.

[Zep Rowsdower]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I can tell you , i rather play 'over exaggerated' female characters, then if they would look like males (and you could`t even made a difference between them).

cool false dichotomy bro

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Zep Rowsdower wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I can tell you , i rather play 'over exaggerated' female characters, then if they would look like males (and you could`t even made a difference between them).

cool false dichotomy bro

With the elves its always difficult. And by this even more so.

[tmp7704]

But on the other hand it's not gay if it's elf.

[Knal1991]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

SaberBloodwork wrote...

Yenaquai wrote...




Thoughts?

it looks MUCH better than the first picture. She seems healthier, still very attractive
and certainly more believable. I wish BW took your route instead of following
what other games are doing to the female characters’ models.

Just to drop in here, I find it interesting that no one ever stops to wonder if, perhaps, Varric were prone to exaggerating more than just facts about Hawke...

I suppose time will tell, but there might be a few surprises in store for the keen of eye.

I somehow now expect ''zoom in to boobies'' in cutscenes

[Zep Rowsdower]

tmp7704 wrote...

But on the other hand it's not gay if it's elf.

But what if they're both male elves? Is it even less gay or does it wrap around and become gay again?

[Addai]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I personally like the new female models a lot more then what we seen in previous game or even titles from Bioware.

I can tell you , i rather play 'over exaggerated' female characters, then if they would look like males (and you could`t even made a difference between them). And besides that - look at the concurention, i seen some people having here Witcher signatures, and in that game - EVERY women is 'busty' pornstars.

Did any of us here say we like that about The Witcher?  Not I.

I would much rather play an athletic looking female, or at least one in the realm of natural possibility.  And, you don't have to look like a man to do that.  <_<

[Addai]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't think the objection boils down to "women like that don't exist" but that they shouldn't be used as the model for every woman in the game.

Women like that don't exist.

I haven't looked at all the links, but I'm going to bet those busty babes being offered as Bethany exmaples  have a waist and hips, in real life if not in Photoshop.  I'm also going to bet they got pumpd with a lot of silicone to make them look the way they do.

[Addai]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Just to drop in here, I find it interesting that no one ever stops to wonder if, perhaps, Varric were prone to exaggerating more than just facts about Hawke...

I suppose time will tell, but there might be a few surprises in store for the keen of eye.

  You mean it's a case of "heaving but chaste bosom" and "glowing nimbus"?  Wow.  Varic, you dog.

Edit:  Though we've also seen Isabela's character page and she is way un-proportionate.  I'm guessing that is not Varic's doing.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 novembre 2010 - 08:57 .

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

If we go by mods as an indicator of what the community wants.... I don't even want to think about it. I'm still scarred by the "Ultra Pornstar Body" mod. Whyyyyy?

Not even searching that.  Not.

Even just looking at Morrigan fanart, though... yeesh.  I mean, Morrigan is perfectly sexy the way she is, without implants, but some apparently like balloons.

Eh well, I don't expect men to get the whole naked Alistair in a thane helmet thing, either.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 novembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[Zep Rowsdower]

Yenaquai wrote...

And then, I want to escape this pressure, with music, books, movies I enjoy, or videogames.
And if I then see this exact same "rolemodel" for women in those media again, it leaves a bitter taste, and I ask myself - Is this really what women are in our society have to endure, can't we escape this? Is it impossible to step away from this stupid stereotype for once?

Pffft, of course it's impossible you silly girl, you see, those things aren't for you. None of them are. They're for men. And if you complain about the "perfect" women you see all over the place, then, well, you're just jealous obviously! Silly girls, thinking their opinions matter.

Hahaha why no I'm not bitter at all why do you ask

Fun fact: I used to hate my body so much I was borderline suicidal. I doubt that matters much to the people defending this, but maybe keep that in mind.

Modifié par Zep Rowsdower, 06 novembre 2010 - 09:13 .

[Ziggeh]

Yenaquai wrote...

And then, I want to escape this pressure, with music, books, movies I enjoy, or videogames.
And if I then see this exact same "rolemodel" for women in those media again, it leaves a bitter taste, and I ask myself - Is this really what women are in our society have to endure, can't we escape this? Is it impossible to step away from this stupid stereotype for once?

That seems a little back to front. Fantasy and sci-fi have a long history of over sexualisation, largely, well because it's general target audience has primarily been teenage boys. It's possibly the worst place you could look if you're seeking to avoid stereotypical and exaggerated body types. Maybe comics. Scratch that, definitely comics.

I can understand the frustration, and you're right, it would be nice to see, occasionally some brave developer not pandering to what is a cheap and easy marketing ploy, but realistically, as much as I'm sure many individuals at Bioware are making games for the art and the joy, they're a business and as the adage goes, sex sells.

I don't personally see it as a terribly bad thing, I think the problem lies in people not understanding that it's essentially cartoony (and semiotic) and so it's definitely worth having this kind of discussion.

[Zep Rowsdower]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

That seems a little back to front. Fantasy and sci-fi have a long history of over sexualisation, largely, well because it's general target audience has primarily been teenage boys. It's possibly the worst place you could look if you're seeking to avoid stereotypical and exaggerated body types. Maybe comics. Scratch that, definitely comics.

AHAHA I CALLED IT

See, the problem is

Sci-fi and fantasy are for boys, so that rules out a lot of movies and tv shows. Then comics are for boys and video games are for boys and WHOOPS pretty much everything is for boys

Just because men may like it doesn't make sexism okay.

EDIT: I told myself I wasn't going to start arguing this arrrghghghasdjflks;afld

Modifié par Zep Rowsdower, 06 novembre 2010 - 09:23 .

[slimgrin]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

 i seen some people having here Witcher signatures, and in that game - EVERY women is 'busty' pornstars.

http://t1.gstatic.co...7dqlkIkn8Ktk6c=


Maybe, but she's covered up. Who knows, with all the sexism Bioware is putting into DA2, some players may end up taking refuge in the notorious Witcher franchise. 

/sarcasm

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 novembre 2010 - 09:28 .

[tmp7704]

Zep Rowsdower wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

But on the other hand it's not gay if it's elf.

But what if they're both male elves? Is it even less gay or does it wrap around and become gay again?

Well, it then becomes case of double negation so it turns gay again, yes. Or just too ambiguous for anyone's good.

[MorseDenizen]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

SaberBloodwork wrote...

Just to drop in here, I find it interesting that no one ever stops to wonder if, perhaps, Varric were prone to exaggerating more than just facts about Hawke...

I suppose time will tell, but there might be a few surprises in store for the keen of eye.

 
Rofl that one had me falling bout!!!

[ErichHartmann]

slimgrin wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

 i seen some people having here Witcher signatures, and in that game - EVERY women is 'busty' pornstars.

http://t1.gstatic.co...7dqlkIkn8Ktk6c=


Maybe, but she's covered up. Who knows, with all the sexism Bioware is putting into DA2, some players may end up taking refuge in the notorious Witcher franchise. 

/sarcasm

Everyone likes collecting sex cards.

[Zep Rowsdower]

tmp7704 wrote...

Zep Rowsdower wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

But on the other hand it's not gay if it's elf.

But what if they're both male elves? Is it even less gay or does it wrap around and become gay again?

Well, it then becomes case of double negation so it turns gay again, yes. Or just too ambiguous for anyone's good.

Either way, it's super hot.