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[SithLordExarKun]

Zep Rowsdower wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Yep, an awesome debater indeed.

why'd you take out the part about my one-digit iq

it was pretty accurate

if that one digit was infinity

edit: Bolt VanderHawke

Well i can't possibly insult the great Zep Rowsdower or i would get my ass flogged.

ziggehunderslash wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Oh it is, but all i did was respond to a poster about how irrational some posters are in their justifications by bringing up said examples which then led to a group of posters trying to challenge it thus this whole thing gets derailed.

A response in which you missed the point of the argument made. The fact that it's perception rather than fact that vast "guns" would increase ones fighting prowess is fairly irrelevant to thepoint they were making in outlining the difference in standard.

Which was entirely rational. In case that wasn't clear.

Number one i was referring to the moaning and pathetic rationale said in another thread i do apologize if i did not make this clear, i did not pick a quote and start an argument with any one here, it was they who picked my quote and then conjured an argument. Way to miss the point over your head.

Its not the perception but the rationale that im questioning, the said rationale which i just mentioned was in another thread.

[upsettingshorts]

So all that's left now is for someone involved in this argument to let the other side have the last word and get the thread back on topic, then. Good, that's settled.

[Zep Rowsdower]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Well i can't possibly insult the great Zep Rowsdower or i would get my ass flogged.

says who

also you think i'm great? awww thanks buddy

edit: Roll FizzleHawke

Modifié par Zep Rowsdower, 08 novembre 2010 - 02:18 .

[SithLordExarKun]

ejoslin wrote...



I think physical labor WAS mentioned there, which has much the same results as resistance training.

  No it doesn't, if physical labor alone had the same results as resistance(or gym training), why are bodybuilders sticking to gym training and absolutely none of them using physical labor?

Does physical labor make you as muscular as this?


^ This guy is Sergio Oliva, considered by many other pro bodybuilders(including current champions) to be one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders who ever lived.

Do you think "physical labor" would even get him halfway to that stage or did he work his ass off with proper equipment in the gym, along with incredible genetics and sheer hardwork(trust me, competitive bodybuilding is 100x more demanding than labor considering it isn't just drugs, genetics and "eat and train").

ejoslin wrote...
Also, people tend to not realize how much genetics CAN play into musculature.  One of my children is naturally muscular, and has had, for example, washboard abs since she was 4 -- as soon as she lost her baby chub in her stomach.  She has insane muscle definition in her arms and legs -- it looks good, but it is definitely not the result of working out.  This is opposed to another one of my children who is naturally skinny (right now, he's 5'3 and 80 pounds).  Though he has very low body fat, he does not have the same kind of muscle definition (I bring that up to point out that it's not my youngest's low body fat that makes her appear to be more muscular than she is -- she just is very muscular naturally).

And your defination of "very muscular" is simply somebody with low bodyfat showing some striations, you want to know whats "naturally muscular" look at jay cutler before he started training, sure he was broad but he would in no way get to THAT level of muscularity alone with just labor(and his current level of muscularity is unbelievable).

[Ziggeh]

A does not equal B, therefor C does not equal D.



I LOGIC GOOD.

[Maverick827]

But Hawke doesn't look like that at all.

[SithLordExarKun]

Maverick827 wrote...

But Hawke doesn't look like that at all.

Read properly blind one. Nobody said Hawke looked like Sergio Oliva, in fact you don't know what the last argument was about.

[upsettingshorts]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

So all that's left now is for someone involved in this argument to let the other side have the last word and get the thread back on topic, then. Good, that's settled.

...so much for that.

[Saibh]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

But Hawke doesn't look like that at all.

Read properly blind one. Nobody said Hawke looked like Sergio Oliva, in fact you don't know what the last argument was about.

Listen to me.

Hawke's physique is not the issue at hand. The male body models do not look like they have 20-inch biceps and thus this is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

You are the one who brought this up. That people are arguing your point is your own fault--you are not a victim because you chose to come in here and attempt to subvert the conversation.

If anyone is getting snippy with you, it's because you keep bringing this up and derailing the thread.

Modifié par Saibh, 08 novembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[ejoslin]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

ejoslin wrote...



I think physical labor WAS mentioned there, which has much the same results as resistance training.

  No it doesn't, if physical labor alone had the same results as resistance(or gym training), why are bodybuilders sticking to gym training and absolutely none of them using physical labor?

Does physical labor make you as muscular as this?


^ This guy is Sergio Oliva, considered by many other pro bodybuilders(including current champions) to be one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders who ever lived.

Do you think "physical labor" would even get him halfway to that stage or did he work his ass off with proper equipment in the gym, along with incredible genetics and sheer hardwork(trust me, competitive bodybuilding is 100x more demanding than labor considering it isn't just drugs, genetics and "eat and train").

ejoslin wrote...
Also, people tend to not realize how much genetics CAN play into musculature.  One of my children is naturally muscular, and has had, for example, washboard abs since she was 4 -- as soon as she lost her baby chub in her stomach.  She has insane muscle definition in her arms and legs -- it looks good, but it is definitely not the result of working out.  This is opposed to another one of my children who is naturally skinny (right now, he's 5'3 and 80 pounds).  Though he has very low body fat, he does not have the same kind of muscle definition (I bring that up to point out that it's not my youngest's low body fat that makes her appear to be more muscular than she is -- she just is very muscular naturally).

And your defination of "very muscular" is simply somebody with low bodyfat showing some striations, you want to know whats "naturally muscular" look at jay cutler before he started training, sure he was broad but he would in no way get to THAT level of muscularity alone with just labor(and his current level of muscularity is unbelievable).

You have NO clue what my definition of "very muscular" is.  I already said two of my children have low body fat -- one is very muscular, one is not, though on the very skinny one you can certainly see some definition by virtue of his thinness.  I have another who DOES fit what you're talking about -- he's slim and you can see some muscle, but it's nothing like my youngest.  Does she look like a body builder?  She's 9.  She is just as muscular as several women I know who DO work out in a gym.  Is she humongous, no, but she probably could become so if she tried.  

And yeh, manual labor can make people quite large.  We're not talking about, as I understood, someone who looks like your picture above (which is not how any characters in DA appear to look).  I thought we were talking about how the males look in the DA2 trailers and such, who are not that big either.

I think swinging a scythe, throwing around bundles of hay, wrangling animals, etc., does qualify as "resistance" training and will build someone's body up to a certain extent.  Maybe even up to the size of the males in the DA2 trailer.

Edit: And to bring this back on topic, I find it funny that the women who are brought up as examples of large chested IRL are, in fact, smaller chested than the female characters in the DA2 trailer appear to be.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:30 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

pixieface wrote...

I'll just say that my boyfriend's father has Hawke's exact same muscular figure while being a 50 year old man and he doesn't lift weights.

He raises chickens and cows, works on the home's landscaping in the front and back yards, chases away little varmints side by side with the family dog, grows food for the family, harvests that food, and then cooks it for the family. If you live in a farm town like Lothering and do the kinds of things my boyfriend's dad does every day, it stands to reason that you would either be lean or buff, because all you ever do is work and eat. And some days, he refuses to eat so that his children can instead. He is probably the baddest dude I've ever met.

Hawke's figure makes more than enough sense to me.

Firstly, assuming you even know what a really muscular individual is, it is impossible to achieve that level of muscularity without resistance training, especially with builds like Male Hawkes who will sport the round and full muscle bellies without his armor on.

There is no way for even the most genetically gifted individuals on earth to achieve such muscularity without some form of resistance training. Hawkes physique is comparable to the bodybuilders in the Mr universe in the 70's, there is no way your boyfriends father has that level of muscularity with such low bodyfat levels without any training at all and adding to that, the sentance i highlighted from your post makes absolutely no sense at all. You don't get as large and shredded as a bodybuilder by "living in a farm working and eating".

I have family that owns a farm. The dad in the family is the one that take cares of the animals and most of the 'heavy work' (lifting things, ploughing and fixing things.) He never goes to the gym, he just works on the farm and his body pretty much looks like Hawkes. Although I would call farming a workout. 

Are you an expert on the subject? Because he got that "large and shredded" by "living on a farm, working and eating". He was very slim growing up but since starting the farm he's gone from very slim to "Hawke". So I wouldn't compare Hawke to a bodybuilder. 

[Stanley Woo]

i think we'll end the fighting here and the discussion of male bodybuilding here. Thank you.



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