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[Marionetten]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

No. It's idealized because the alpha male is viewed as the guy who gets all the chicks. Aigyl was completely right.

Gears of War has it and they don't have the characters "get all the chicks", yet you often hear about how badass everybody is.

I view Gears of War as satire so I'm afraid I can't share that opinion. I mean, that level of hypermasculinity is just absurd.

Modifié par Marionetten, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:27 .

[Stanley Woo]

Let's everyone take a couple of calming breaths and dial down the napalm sandwich deliveries, please. We can disagree with each other without resorting to sensationalist hyperbole. And we can certain disagree with each other without going off-topic or delving into the contentious and sensitive issue of gender politics.



Steer it back to Dragon Age 2. Please.

[the_one_54321]

I think we'd actually mostly calmed down on our own really...

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Well that one girl. And frankly that outfit leaves her vulnerable in several ways.

One might argue that Isabela would prefer it that way? 

She'd prefer to get stabbed, dragged around, swallowed up into a body of water? 

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...
She'd prefer to get stabbed, dragged around, swallowed up into a body of water? 

I think she's equally happy to win by seduction or by the blade, whichever proves easiest.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
She'd prefer to get stabbed, dragged around, swallowed up into a body of water? 

I think she's equally happy to win by seduction or by the blade, whichever proves easiest.

Right. Darkspawn, possibly dragons, various wildlife and Qunari are really going to be distracted by a flash of ass.

And that doesn't help her with archers.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[Maria Caliban]

slimgrin wrote...

Its an unavoidable fact that most gamers are male, and they are going to cater to that.

I suppose the large number of women on these forums who loved DA should simply be ignored because the average Halo player is a dude.

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...
Right. Darkspawn, possibly dragons, various wildlife and Qunari are really going to be distracted by a flash of ass.
And that doesn't help her with archers.

Hey, I'm just reiterating the character description that has come up all over the Isabela thread.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right. Darkspawn, possibly dragons, various wildlife and Qunari are really going to be distracted by a flash of ass.
And that doesn't help her with archers.

Hey, I'm just reiterating the character description that has come up all over the Isabela thread.

Eh. It might help her with humans but hell there's always going ot be someone that just doesn't want to tap that human or otherwise .And having a strip of cloth dangling that someone can grab on to (particularly if surronded) is just...dumb.

[the_one_54321]

imported_beer wrote...
All I want is equality and Varric is not man enough for me. Just saying.

THANK YOU! Gods, the whole Varric thing was starting to have me really confused. I kept thinking ot myself "are they really totally happy with this as the male counterpart to the female Hawke??"

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

imported_beer wrote...
All I want is equality and Varric is not man enough for me. Just saying.

THANK YOU! Gods, the whole Varric thing was starting to have me really confused. I kept thinking ot myself "are they really totally happy with this as the male counterpart to the female Hawke??"

He's...really short.

I mean...he couldn't have been human? D: 

[Luigitornado]

I think the argument about how female body image is
represented in the media is a fair argument, but to dismiss the idea that men
are also misrepresented would be hypocritical.

I think it comes down to how both men and women are socialized in our very pro-masculine
society. At a very early age, girls are told they should like color pink,
should aspire to be princesses, and that it is okay to cry. Little boys are
told that they should like the color blue, should aspire to be football
players, and that they should not cry (be a man; punch a hole in the wall)!

In the real world, such as in business (bunch of cut throats), masculinity is
dominant; there is no room for femininity. This is why women have a harder time
becoming more successful than their male counterparts, and what gave rise to
the feminist movement. Little boys are cultured at an early age how to succeed
in the business world, while little girls are not. Feminists often dislike any
media depicting woman as submissive to men because of the history of our
culture, and because the lack of true equality. This dislike branched off into
body image once it was found that anorexia and bulimia were on the rise in
young teenage woman, and fingers were pointed at the media, or our culture, for
good reason.

Now at a purely subjective stand point, the same argument can be made for men
and body image. However; body image for men is not as nearly a focal point for
the media as it is for women. We often have powerful masculine men, who are
represented by tight abs and strong shoulders, along with powerful men that
have double chins and beer bellies. The focal point being that both these stereotypes
are represented as being "powerful,” which is an adjective that our
culture suggests in unattainable for someone who is feminine.

I'd say there is a bigger crime in telling men they shouldn’t be feminine, than
telling them they should be masculine...because masculinity is viewed as a GOOD THING.
Men are said to be out of touch with their children's emotions, which is the
epitome of my favorite stereotype "stupid dad." Hell..."stupid
dad" is the only stereotype that is okay for the media to poke fun of
anymore. You all know the type: fat slob, married to a hot mom, who never quite
understands what he did wrong to hurt his wife’s feelings. It’s because
masculinity has no room for feelings.

Sexuality seems to be the point of confusion for most people because sexuality
is usually associated with the ideal female: big chest and curvy/thin figure,
or the ideal male: thick neck and wash board stomached. In reality, sexuality
can be boiled down to how comfortable you are with your body image. So if you
can't reach these "standards" that our society has hammered into our
minds, you may have poor body image. And thanks to the wonders of our culture,
men are told they can't express their discontent about having poor body image,
while women are told that they should cry over it, or express why it is a
problem for only them.

I hope in some way this helps clarify, any indesivness about equality for men and women in DA:2.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:40 .

[Short Fuse Burining]

imported_beer wrote...

Are Bethany and Isabela's physical models based on how hawt they'd be to men? I totally think so.

Is this fan service? I suppose.

Do I mind? Nope. I'll forgive you if the male NPCs are smoking hawt man candy no less than 6 foot 3 with six packs, perfectly sculpted chest and a face sculpted by the very GODS.

All I want is equality and Varric is not man enough for me. Just saying.

EDIT: Replaced Leliana with Isabela.

funny most people over in the isabela thread are women.

[mellifera]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 novembre 2010 - 08:00 .

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

imported_beer wrote...
All I want is equality and Varric is not man enough for me. Just saying.

THANK YOU! Gods, the whole Varric thing was starting to have me really confused. I kept thinking ot myself "are they really totally happy with this as the male counterpart to the female Hawke??"

He's...really short.

I mean...he couldn't have been human? D:

I am totally with you on that. You gals deserve a hunk too.

[slimgrin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Its an unavoidable fact that most gamers are male, and they are going to cater to that.

I suppose the large number of women on these forums who loved DA should simply be ignored because the average Halo player is a dude.

Do you really think Bioware is ignoring their female fans? 

What matters more than looks, is the fact they put strong, well-written female characters in their games, ones that routinely avoid stereotypes.

And yet some here are forgetting that at the site of some cleavage. A little ironic.

[Short Fuse Burining]

DAO depected men as sex crazed people who will have sex with anything that has legs......

[mellifera]

Short Fuse Burining wrote...

DAO depected men as sex crazed people who will have sex with anything that has legs......

Lol, except Alistair was the exact opposite?

[Short Fuse Burining]

yukidama wrote...

Short Fuse Burining wrote...

DAO depected men as sex crazed people who will have sex with anything that has legs......

Lol, except Alistair was the exact opposite?

besides Alistair name a man who wasnt?

[Maria Caliban]

Duncan, Ban Teagan, Loghan, the Arl Eamon, the leader of the elves, Harrowmont, Bahlen, Calian.

I'd still like to know if Isabela's pose is the same as Lady Hawke's.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 05 novembre 2010 - 07:44 .

[the_one_54321]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 novembre 2010 - 08:00 .