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[Ryzaki]

The writing will be perfect as long as we don't get a incident like "the priiiiize." 

[David Gaider]

Ryzaki wrote...
The writing will be perfect as long as we don't get a incident like "the priiiiize." 

I'm not even sure what that is, and I played ME2. Even so, I imagine there's bound to be something in DA2 for people to find and mock if they try hard enough.

[Lukas Kristjanson]

DSerpa wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

It’s a more personal story with no chosen one and no obvious evil beastie to knock off the mountain. I can’t say if you will find that better or worse, or if "better or worse" is even applicable. I’m sure many will claim that this means you’re not doing something that is as “important” as Origins, though the repercussions for the setting will be larger than saving the day. We also think the characters are some of the most interesting we have written, and many plots put you in a position of making some very rough decisions.

I could be biased, though. Actually, I am incredibly biased. Or perhaps I simply am bias. And I also wrote big chunks of ME1 and 2, so I’m technically the enemy. But I also wrote a lot of Jade, so you like me again, right? And lot of Neverwinter, so you hate me, maybe? And KotOR, so, love? And Jaheira, so, hair-tearing rage? Boo? Give me long enough and I will shear your emotions in half.

I don't mean to offend. I liked Mass Effect (I and II). They were both rather straightforward with right and wrong clearly spelled out, but they were both still very good games. I'm only saying that I feel that the complexity and moral ambiguity in Origins made for a fantastic story; and I'm wondering if Dragon Age II will retain that formula or if it will be simplified and made less mature and melancholic in order to appeal to a wider audience. I certainly don't hate you.

Although I seem to have irked the entire writing staff at Bioware.

Irked? No sir, no offense taken. I assure you the emotion of the posts in this thread are pretty much universally "Friday giddy." It's just that we can't really answer this question for you. We can say that we think it's some of our best work for X reason, but I probably would have given you a similar answer at the same point for any of our previous projects. They have all been our best work to that point, from my perspective, because the changes that we've made at each step have been the ones we thought were needed for that project at that time. That includes the ones some players liked and the ones some didn't.

Ninja'd by Dave! (shakes tiny fist)

[Ryzaki]

David Gaider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
The writing will be perfect as long as we don't get a incident like "the priiiiize." 

I'm not even sure what that is, and I played ME2. Even so, I imagine there's bound to be something in DA2 for people to find and mock if they try hard enough.

Its this

And...Its not even mocking...its just so...bad.

And really cheesy sounding.

Edit: And its just the whole way she talks to him from the beginning of the game. It sounds like she wants to jump him.

...Then again it's mostly the weirdness and not mocking...just a joke. Some friendly teasing. 

Edit: Though to be perfectly honest a lot of Shep's romance lines creep me out.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:09 .

[slimgrin]

Gaider hasn't heard of the prize!?

Edit: its more of a friendly 70's style meme, not mockery.

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:05 .

[Tranceptor]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...
 many plots put you in a position of making some very rough decisions.

I hope so, thats part of what made ME and DA:O great.

I could be biased, though. Actually, I am incredibly biased. Or perhaps I simply am bias. And I also wrote big chunks of ME1 and 2, so I’m technically the enemy. But I also wrote a lot of Jade, so you like me again, right? And lot of Neverwinter, so you hate me, maybe? And KotOR, so, love? And Jaheira, so, hair-tearing rage? Boo? Give me long enough and I will shear your emotions in half.

You do good work.

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Ninja'd by Dave! (shakes tiny fist)

He does that a lot, even when it's not about writing.

[Anarya]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...
*nods sagely* She is like an onion. Or one of those dips that everyone brings to pot lucks.

Leliana concept art:

No, no, this stuff:


If potlucks in Canada are anything like US potlucks, that is.

Did you get tired of writing variations of *squeak squeak squeeeee* when you wrote Boo, Luke?

[Aigyl]

Ryzaki wrote...


Its this

And that ultimately lead to this.

That one line was glorious

[John Epler]

As someone who works with the writing extensively but is not, themselves, a writer - I can say that I find the writing in DA2 to be pretty fantastic. Particularly since my job involves 'how do I take this writing and make the visuals do it justice'.



The answer, always, is crash zooms and hitchcock zooms. You guys like those, right? RIGHT?

[Apollo Starflare]

Aigyl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


Its this

And that ultimately lead to this.

That one line was glorious

How have I never seen that before? Brilliant, lol.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Come on. Release the game now, pleeeeeeease. ;-(

[Face of Evil]

David Gaider wrote...

Except that Sheryl wrote Leliana.

Now I know which of the writing staff at Bioware I want to hug the most. 

Ryzaki wrote...

The writing will be perfect as long as we don't get a incident like "the priiiiize." 

You know, I think it's not so much the writing in that scene as the delivery. Props to Jacob's voice actor, who was otherwise pretty good, but that was a bad time to ham it up.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Dave of Canada]

JohnEpler wrote...

hitchcock zooms.

Love it.

[David Gaider]

Ryzaki wrote...
Its this

And...Its not even mocking...its just so...bad.

Oh. Well, that explains it-- I never did the Jacob romance. Started it, but it felt a little too "sexually harass the subordinate" for my tastes.

Even so, I don't see what's so bad about it. The way some people talk about it, they make it sound like Revenge of the Sith-level Darth Vader. Silly.

[Dave of Canada]

David Gaider wrote...

Oh. Well, that explains it-- I never did the Jacob romance. Started it, but it felt a little too "sexually harass the subordinate" for my tastes.

Even so, I don't see what's so bad about it.

I think you pretty much nailed it, David. It felt too... forceful, where FemShep was ready to pounce on Jacob at any moment.

[Ryzaki]

David Gaider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its this

And...Its not even mocking...its just so...bad.

Oh. Well, that explains it-- I never did the Jacob romance. Started it, but it felt a little too "sexually harass the subordinate" for my tastes.

Even so, I don't see what's so bad about it. The way some people talk about it, they make it sound like Revenge of the Sith-level Darth Vader. Silly.

The bolded was my exact issue with it. She didn't talk to him in a normal tone of voice and it creeped me out. She never did. It wasn't just that scene she always sounds like she wants to...well molest him. Even when she barely knows the guy!

And it's a joke. It's supposed to be blown out of proportion.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:43 .

[Saibh]

David Gaider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its this

And...Its not even mocking...its just so...bad.

Oh. Well, that explains it-- I never did the Jacob romance. Started it, but it felt a little too "sexually harass the subordinate" for my tastes.

Even so, I don't see what's so bad about it. The way some people talk about it, they make it sound like Revenge of the Sith-level Darth Vader. Silly.

Oh, we take it out of context, you're right. And exaggerate it. Such is a meme.

But the line itself is sort of reflective of what's wrong with the romance: awkward, uncomfortable, and a bit too sexy. FemShep's opening line for talking to Jacob always sounds suggestive ("I'm more interested in just...talking, for a bit."). Like she's just a twitch away from date raping him. He's always so surly, and he doesn't even seem to really want to be involved with her. You have to really push the subject, and you're his commanding officer.

I mean, if the genders were reversed, people would be totally calling sexual harrassment in the workplace.

Plus that terrible line that implies he's settling for Shepard if you think about it too hard...ick.

Modifié par Saibh, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Ryzaki]

Saibh wrote...

Oh, we take it out of context, you're right. And exaggerate it. Such is a meme.

But the line itself is sort of reflective of what's wrong with the romance: awkward, uncomfortable, and a bit too sexy. FemShep's opening line for talking to Jacob always sounds suggestive ("I'm more interested in just...talking, for a bit."). Like she's just a twitch away from date raping him. He's always so surly, and he doesn't even seem to really want to be involved with her. You have to really push the subject, and you're his commanding officer.

I mean, if the genders were reversed, people would be totally calling sexual harrassment in the workplace.

Plus that terrible line that implies he's "settling" for Shepard if you think about it too hard...ick.

The line where he says Miranda required a better man than him? Yeah I wasn't too pleased with that either.

[Anarya]

I really think that line is supposed to be said in a rueful, slightly sarcastic way. Like how you'd say "it takes a better man than me to read the entire Twilight saga voluntarily" or similar.

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its this

And...Its not even mocking...its just so...bad.

Oh. Well, that explains it-- I never did the Jacob romance. Started it, but it felt a little too "sexually harass the subordinate" for my tastes.

*Goes into 'Nam -like flashback at thought of Jacob Taylor romance*

Seriously, the whole Jacob Taylor romance is one of the prime examples of why the voiced protagonist doesn't always work out so well- really, why voiced PC romances in general just give off a very creepy vibe. Since when did I give FemShep the license to turn cougar and sexually assualt people? I must have missed that paraphrase or does DA2 have an emotion icon for "Sexual harrassment" now?

Modifié par Brockololly, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:51 .

[Saibh]

Anarya wrote...

I really think that line is supposed to be said in a rueful, slightly sarcastic way. Like how you'd say "it takes a better man than me to read the entire Twilight saga voluntarily" or similar.

I like the voice actor (if I think he wasn't given lines or a character up to par), but if that's the case, I think he delivered the line poorly.

I do see the argument that he's saying Miranda's too high maintenance for him. The actual line is "She requires a better man than I." Whether he's being self-deprecating or if he's saying politely that she's a megab1tch isn't clear. But it's said so ruefully and regretfully that it just doesn't seem that way.

Modifié par Saibh, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:50 .

[upsettingshorts]

Well, a big part of the problem with FemShep and Jacob is simply Jen Hale's delivery. Which is either her fault or the voice director. The writing is only part of the problem in that case.

[Ryzaki]

Saibh wrote...

Anarya wrote...

I really think that line is supposed to be said in a rueful, slightly sarcastic way. Like how you'd say "it takes a better man than me to read the entire Twilight saga voluntarily" or similar.

I like the voice actor (if I think he wasn't given lines or a character up to par), but if that's the case, I think he delivered the line poorly.

I do see the argument that he's saying Miranda's too high maintenance for him. The actual line is "She requires a better man than I." Whether he's being self-deprecating or if he's saying politely that she's a megab1tch isn't clear. But it's said so ruefully and regretfully that it just doesn't seem that way.

Ah yes sorry I try to block that line out of my head. <_< 

And yes he and Miranda share that long sad look with one another right before he says it so...yeah kind of hard to take that as an insult.

[Maria Caliban]

David Gaider wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

Although I seem to have irked the entire writing staff at Bioware.

Do we seem irked? I think we're generally snarkier than this when we're irked.

You're an intimidating bunch.