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[Nerevar-as]

dielveio wrote...

I haven't played Baldur's Gate before, not even the first neither the second, so I borrowed these two games from a friend and now I am playing it.

To state my CURRENT opinion on BG 1:
Perma death is stupid.
If I swap members of my party, they'll get away and never come back. I can't simply tell'em to wait in the inn. They will insult me and leave me forever.
As I play, I'll update my opinions about this game. I REALLY want to know what made Baldur's gate so praized even today.

Now on topic, from what I've seen on trailers and interviews about DA2, I'm supporting the changes, that's for sure.

I like perma death. Makes combat more challenging than knocking characters out. I´ll give that choosing whether to reload, or go to a Temple to resurrect and having to carry the corpse´s equipment on living characters wasn´t that fun.

I still have fond memories and replay it because I wasn´t taken by the hand to the next objetive by the game as
in today´s games, and there was a good balance between plot and exploration. First time I played I didn´t go to Friendly Arm Inn until Chapter 3 (Khalid & Jaheira were no longer there).

[Ulicus]

I support the changes I've seen so far. To the point that I wish DA:O's characters and story had been able to benefit from them like DA2's will.

dielveio wrote...

To state my CURRENT opinion on BG 1:
Perma death is stupid.

Not really.Still, BG2 introduces "normal mode", which makes the game  easier and in which companions can't explode into chunky bits, and you can always resurrect them. So you'll have no complaints, there.

Unless you're complaining about the fact that the main character can't be resurrected, in which case....

dielveio wrote...
If I swap members of my party, they'll get away and never come back. I  can't simply tell'em to wait in the inn. They will insult me and leave me forever.

Huh? That's only if they don't like you. If they approve of your reputation, they'll wait at an inn for you. So... yeah.

Modifié par Ulicus, 06 novembre 2010 - 06:48 .

[triggerhappy456]

errant_knight wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

I support most of the changes that they have made, and the ones I don't agree with are probably also going to make the game better. The Voice Actor will make the game more enjoyable, and the two problems I had with DAO were the slow combat and dull visuala, which are obviouly being improved.
I have greatly enjoyed every Bioware game I have played, and I think that it is completely unfair that there are people complaining that this game will be awful because of changes being made, when the same people were screaming that DAO was going to be awfull because it wasnt exactly like Baldurs Gate.

No. You just made that up. Some may be. Some loved Baldur's Gate. And some, like me, never played it. Argue aganst people's feelings if you will, but don't just make stuff up.

What'd he make up? I didn't see anything that wasn't true in that post.

Uh, just what I said. That the people complaining are the same ones who complained that DA:O wasn't exactly like Baldur's Gate. I really can't say it another way. That was pretty basic. Some people now complaining may be the same ones, but others never played it, or didn't care. A lot of people liked Origins for what it was, a great game, with tons of player control over their roleplay.

So the fact that you personally didn't play Baldur's Gate means that what I said was made up?
Ok I'll rephrase it: I think that it is completely unfair that there are people complaining that this game will be awful because of changes being made, when many of them were screaming that DAO was going to be awfull because it wasnt exactly like Baldurs Gate.

[upsettingshorts]

Reminds me of the time I brought up the notion that people who wanted DA:2 to be like BG were reactionaries and those who wanted DA:2 to be like DA:O were conservatives... and so on down the line.

People hated that too.  Although less than "haters" and "fanboys" it seemed.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 07 novembre 2010 - 12:20 .

[Aermas]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Reminds me of the time I brought up the notion that people who wanted DA:2 to be like BG were reactionaries and those who wanted DA:2 to be like DA:O were conservatives... and so on down the line.

People hated that too.  Although less than "haters" and "fanboys" it seemed.

People hate reasonableness, what can you say?

[triggerhappy456]

filaminstrel wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

So the fact that you personally didn't play Baldur's Gate means that what I said was made up?
Ok I'll rephrase it: I think that it is completely unfair that there are people complaining that this game will be awful because of changes being made, when many of them were screaming that DAO was going to be awfull because it wasnt exactly like Baldurs Gate.

That still kind of lumps all of the complaints together and dismisses them based on a generalization though... but even among those who fit the generalization, I'm not seeing the real hypocrisy or double standard or whatever in someone liking BG, complaining about DAO straying from BG, and then complaining about DA2 straying away from DAO and even further away from BG. Just because they evidently ended up enjoying DAO doesn't mean those issues they had with it straying from BG necessarily went away.

My point is that many of these people are now saying that DAO was flawless, although they had bittely complained about all the changes before it was released, and instead of learning that the changes can be good, they're doing the same thing again.
I guess I just get annoyed when people demand that the game be made the way THEY want it, rather than accepting the changes and looking forward to the game anyway

[Gorwath-F]

I support this thread

edit: and i support the changes made to da2 so far.

Modifié par Gorwath-F, 07 novembre 2010 - 02:07 .

[Sanjeev]

What I want from Bioware is the story. Always. I've never come in for the gameplay or the type of game they are. To me, RPGs and Bioware's RPGs in particular, have always been me playing a role in this story. DA2 continues to do that. I'll be playing Hawke and what I do matters in this universe that Bioware has lovingly crafted.



Gameplay is secondary. Everything else is tertiary.

[Amagoi]

Sanjeev wrote...

What I want from Bioware is the story. Always. I've never come in for the gameplay or the type of game they are. To me, RPGs and Bioware's RPGs in particular, have always been me playing a role in this story. DA2 continues to do that. I'll be playing Hawke and what I do matters in this universe that Bioware has lovingly crafted.

Gameplay is secondary. Everything else is tertiary.

Seconded. I've always enjoyed Bioware gameplay, but what I love and what's made me such a fan of the company is the story.

[Behindyounow]

Amagoi wrote...

Seconded. I've always enjoyed Bioware gameplay, but what I love and what's made me such a fan of the company is the story.

Thirded.

[Rykn]

Behindyounow wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

Seconded. I've always enjoyed Bioware gameplay, but what I love and what's made me such a fan of the company is the story.

Thirded.

I want to say I support the changes to Dragon age 2 but in truth as long as it was a RPG and made by Bioware I knew the same love and effort was going into it just like any other game Bioware has made so I would have bought it anyway. Sooo.. Fourthed.

Modifié par Rykn, 07 novembre 2010 - 04:38 .

[KcK__]

I support every change made to DA II excluding the art style... that still bothers me... mostly the Darkspawns... We'll see what will come from this.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

I don't really support all the changes they've made but I'll still go with it.

[Ulicus]

JohnEpler wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...


Nope! Every class has their own 'weapon use' animations and we're making darn sure to use conditional actors so that mage Hawke will do something different than rogue Hawke will do something different than warrior Hawke.

Thank you! <3

Awesome! So there's a chance that in a scene Mage! Hawke will cast a spell while 2HD warrior Hawke will charge the enemy? Sweet.

That was one of my only issues with ME cutscenes. It always assumed I was a soldier.

Precisely! If you're a Mage, you'll do something awesome and Mage-like. If you're a Warrior, you'll do something Warrior-like. We try to avoid too many scenes where we have to make these distinctions, simply because recreating the same scene three times with different animations on both the player and whoever the player is acting on is a lot of work - but when they happen, we make sure that you're doing something that your class would suggest you'd do.

Fantastic news! One of my main gripes with the Mass Effect series is that the cutscenes treat Shepard as your typical non-biotic soldier 100% of the time. The fact that DA2 will actually acknowledge that different Hawkes have different abilities (no matter how rare such scenes are) is awesome.

Modifié par Ulicus, 07 novembre 2010 - 06:30 .

[Sharn01]

JohnEpler wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...


Nope! Every class has their own 'weapon use' animations and we're making darn sure to use conditional actors so that mage Hawke will do something different than rogue Hawke will do something different than warrior Hawke.

Thank you! <3

Awesome! So there's a chance that in a scene Mage! Hawke will cast a spell while 2HD warrior Hawke will charge the enemy? Sweet.

That was one of my only issues with ME cutscenes. It always assumed I was a soldier.

Precisely! If you're a Mage, you'll do something awesome and Mage-like. If you're a Warrior, you'll do something Warrior-like. We try to avoid too many scenes where we have to make these distinctions, simply because recreating the same scene three times with different animations on both the player and whoever the player is acting on is a lot of work - but when they happen, we make sure that you're doing something that your class would suggest you'd do.

This is good news.

As to the op, you seem to just be trolling, its impossible to have complete faith in a product that is not even finished let alone one that you have never even seen or used, unless you base your entire opinion of something on hype and advertising.

I am leery of many of the changes, but really like others, I have no idea how much I will or will not like the game, but I have heard enough good things about it, and have enough faith in bioware's past history of making games to buy and play DA2.

There are some changes I will never be happy about, forced to play a human probably being the biggest one, but a game is not one single change or option,  despite my dislike of this change, it does not mean the game will be unplayable. 

Same with the armors, personally I am kind of ok about static outfits for companions so long as there is more then one to choose from and the change is more then a color scheme, though I would like for armors to actually be armor.  My biggest complaint in regards to this though is that companions will always look the way they are supposed to, and Hawke is going to look like a hobo wearing a hodgepodge of mixed armors.  I personally feel it should go both ways, either everyone has outfits to choose from or nobody does.

[Albatroz]

Sharn01 wrote...

As to the op, you seem to just be trolling, its impossible to have complete faith in a product that is not even finished let alone one that you have never even seen or used, unless you base your entire opinion of something on hype and advertising.

I am leery of many of the changes, but really like others, I have no idea how much I will or will not like the game, but I have heard enough good things about it, and have enough faith in bioware's past history of making games to buy and play DA2.

There are some changes I will never be happy about, forced to play a human probably being the biggest one, but a game is not one single change or option,  despite my dislike of this change, it does not mean the game will be unplayable. 

Same with the armors, personally I am kind of ok about static outfits for companions so long as there is more then one to choose from and the change is more then a color scheme, though I would like for armors to actually be armor.  My biggest complaint in regards to this though is that companions will always look the way they are supposed to, and Hawke is going to look like a hobo wearing a hodgepodge of mixed armors.  I personally feel it should go both ways, either everyone has outfits to choose from or nobody does.

If the way I wrote the post came across as trolling, I sincerely apologize. I just wanted to make the point that there are people like me who enjoy many, if not all, of the changes being made to DA2. I think that everything we have made so far will ultimately come together to create a game that I enjoy more than DA:O, and I absolutely love DA:O.

[Ulous]

The RustMonster wrote...

If the way I wrote the post came across as trolling, I sincerely apologize. I just wanted to make the point that there are people like me who enjoy many, if not all, of the changes being made to DA2. I think that everything we have made so far will ultimately come together to create a game that I enjoy more than DA:O, and I absolutely love DA:O.

You had every right to start a "support" thread, it seems only fair when %90 of the threads on here are full of negativity and whining, you only have to look at Biowares history of classic RPG's and the superb DAO to know DA2 is going to be great.

[AtreiyaN7]

I definitely support the idea that not all new changes are necessarily negative by default. *chuckle*

[Renessa]

I support the concept of most of the changes.



I am so glad the PC gets a voice. I loved the fighting when I was able to play the game for 10 minutes at the GamesCom. I like most of the art style. I like the new UI, I am all for cinematic. So yes, my hopes are high, but of course, one has to play the game, before finally judging.



I actually like this thread. Sometimes this forum makes me feel, I am the only one looking forward to playing DA2. I am glad, this is not so.

[Skllan]

Ultimately I'm trusting Bioware on DA2 and I believe they're doing what they believe is ultimately best for the series, we don't want every sequel to be exactly thesame just with a different storyline. Everyone else who is judging the game on the total of about 7 mins gameplay we have seen(ignoring it's the same place) and on the brief overviews of the changes bioware are making is being extremly judgemental. Atleast play the demo when it's released before passing judgement

[iampool]

I used to, now this inventory / companion outfit changes, those i hate, really bad.

[Alexia89]

Bioware has never disappointed me overall....i didnt like ME2 at first but i grew on me a lot. I dont get why every time they release a game you get so many people thinking they ruined it.