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[Onyx Jaguar]

I'm Brian Fontana



I love lamp



I like Update to Face modeling, looks better

I like VO

I like semi-new setting

I like potential changes to console combat

I like and hate individual character clothings



I'm Brian Fontana, and I have been up way too long

[Heavensrun]

JohnEpler wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...


Nope! Every class has their own 'weapon use' animations and we're making darn sure to use conditional actors so that mage Hawke will do something different than rogue Hawke will do something different than warrior Hawke.

Thank you! <3

Awesome! So there's a chance that in a scene Mage! Hawke will cast a spell while 2HD warrior Hawke will charge the enemy? Sweet.

That was one of my only issues with ME cutscenes. It always assumed I was a soldier.

Precisely! If you're a Mage, you'll do something awesome and Mage-like. If you're a Warrior, you'll do something Warrior-like. We try to avoid too many scenes where we have to make these distinctions, simply because recreating the same scene three times with different animations on both the player and whoever the player is acting on is a lot of work - but when they happen, we make sure that you're doing something that your class would suggest you'd do.

Can you guys go have a talk with the ME devs, please?  Also on the subjects of character portrait forum avatars and same sex romance inclusion?  ;p

[Monica83]

Support?.... Support what? An epic cutdown of features?



Dialog wheel ala mass effect with tones addiction:



Limits your roleplay choice and kill the immersion because you have any control of what your character is going to say you have only a general line.. This means character more defined but not by you in fact your character is not your character but a partial premaded one this limits the roleplay and its a really bad feature in a game where you create your Hero.... This systems work well if you have a totally defined character to play ((like geralt of the witcher)) but not if your create your character because you are limited and you have no opportunity to control the psicology of your character..



Static classes: Now classes are more defined in no sense of roleplay but in a cold sense of gameplay.. In Fact warriors lose dual wield and archery in favour of rougues.. This is really bad because that means static classes even if you add upgradable skills( another bad feature because in a nice system skill will be improved by stats and level) This add staticness of the game so again you have really limited choice in character building...



Animations: They look horrible they sound fake in evrymove.. The anims maybe are heem sylish... But they are maked with any logical fighting sense... A warrior that slash and heavy sword on horizontal and end with the sword raised benhind the throat on the sky is not coool to see but its silly and stupied.. Like the twirl move of the havy sword warrior that makes a complete circle with the body and ends prone... Again any logical sense of fighting.... They are tooo much faster tooo much... Mages are nice for some anims.. But looks fake in other sides also...



Gameplay:

I don't understeand why its beauty to see a combat in this way...

*teleport*swing swing swing*teleport*swing swing swing* for the warrior

*teleport* storm of stab *teleport* storm of stab* for the rougue......



Lenght: More longer than awakening but more shorter than origins...



After all i dont see those Great imrpovements...((except the graphic))

[upsettingshorts]

People have different opinions and expectations, I'm shocked. Just shocked.

[Shepard Lives]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People have different opinions and expectations, I'm shocked. Just shocked.

Inconceivable!

[SirGladiator]

Some of the features can easily be seen either way, like whether a Voiced main character is a good or bad change, the new Art style, etc. clearly there are plusses and minuses, and Im hopeful that they will mostly be positive changes. There's really no reasonable debate however on the issue of armor not being changable, that's just flat out a bad, and incredibly dumb, change. The reason it is so bad, is because you literally gain nothing, and lose a great deal. If you like a given character's original starting armor so much that you never want to change it, then that's great, you could already leave it the same, this change doesn't help you any because you weren't going to change it anyway. But for the 99.9% of gamers (or higher) who would've liked to change the armors of various characters to suit their personal tastes, they lose a tremendous amount, while gaining absolutely nothing. Its not like they 'didnt have time to add' changing armors, since it was already around in DAO. Its a pretty basic feature, its simply unthinkable that they would take a feature like that away, one can only hope the modding community will be able to fix this terrible, terrible mistake in judgement that someone at Bioware has inexplicably made. I'm sorry for being so negative, I really think most of the changes will probably end up being for the better, but this one is just so incredibly bad that there's just no way to deny it or to 'hope for the best', its a bad mistake, its going to make the game less fun, simple as that.

[Ulous]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People have different opinions and expectations, I'm shocked. Just shocked.

People have different opinions ? Well that is just your opinion.

[Shepard Lives]

SirGladiator wrote...

Some of the features can easily be seen either way, like whether a Voiced main character is a good or bad change, the new Art style, etc. clearly there are plusses and minuses, and Im hopeful that they will mostly be positive changes. There's really no reasonable debate however on the issue of armor not being changable, that's just flat out a bad, and incredibly dumb, change. The reason it is so bad, is because you literally gain nothing, and lose a great deal. If you like a given character's original starting armor so much that you never want to change it, then that's great, you could already leave it the same, this change doesn't help you any because you weren't going to change it anyway. But for the 99.9% of gamers (or higher) who would've liked to change the armors of various characters to suit their personal tastes, they lose a tremendous amount, while gaining absolutely nothing. Its not like they 'didnt have time to add' changing armors, since it was already around in DAO. Its a pretty basic feature, its simply unthinkable that they would take a feature like that away, one can only hope the modding community will be able to fix this terrible, terrible mistake in judgement that someone at Bioware has inexplicably made. I'm sorry for being so negative, I really think most of the changes will probably end up being for the better, but this one is just so incredibly bad that there's just no way to deny it or to 'hope for the best', its a bad mistake, its going to make the game less fun, simple as that.

What if someone disliked changing armor on the companions, because it detracts from their individuality? With unique outfits they feel more like your companions, and less like people whose wardrobe you have complete control over.

Mind you, I'm playing devil's advocate here.
Static armor for companions is, to me, a dumb choice unless it means that more resources can be put in designing kickass gear for Hawke.

[Heavensrun]

SirGladiator wrote...

Some of the features can easily be seen either way, like whether a Voiced main character is a good or bad change, the new Art style, etc. clearly there are plusses and minuses, and Im hopeful that they will mostly be positive changes. There's really no reasonable debate however on the issue of armor not being changable, that's just flat out a bad, and incredibly dumb, change. The reason it is so bad, is because you literally gain nothing, and lose a great deal. If you like a given character's original starting armor so much that you never want to change it, then that's great, you could already leave it the same, this change doesn't help you any because you weren't going to change it anyway. But for the 99.9% of gamers (or higher)

Did you know that 87.5% of all statistics on the internet are completely fabricated?

who would've liked to change the armors of various characters to suit their personal tastes, they lose a tremendous amount, while gaining absolutely nothing. Its not like they 'didnt have time to add' changing armors, since it was already around in DAO. Its a pretty basic feature, its simply unthinkable that they would take a feature like that away, one can only hope the modding community will be able to fix this terrible, terrible mistake in judgement that someone at Bioware has inexplicably made. I'm sorry for being so negative, I really think most of the changes will probably end up being for the better, but this one is just so incredibly bad that there's just no way to deny it or to 'hope for the best', its a bad mistake, its going to make the game less fun, simple as that.

As has been mentioned, the fact that they have their own clothing tastes has numerous positive effects, and there -are- thoseo f us who think this is a good change.  By giving the characters their own domain over what clothing they choose to wear, they are better defined as characters.

Every single time I would see someone post Wynne and Morrigan as full plate arcane warriors, I would just sort of roll my eyes and shake my head, because it represented someone completely blowing off what those characters were all about, for some sort of mechanical benefit.  This change means they never have to compromise the characters for mechanical purposes, which is -good-.  It does mean the player has less command over what the character wears, but in my mind, that makes the character better defined and more consistant, and -that's- good.

It also means your party is never tromping around in the same outfits, which makes them more distinct from one another, which is -good-.

It also means that the devs don't have to make different versions of armor for every character's body structure, or design the armors to scale to different dimensions.  This means the armor Hawke wears can look and fit better, and be more elaborate.  And since your companion's outfits are in the same boat, -they- get to look better as well, because all of their outfits are unique to them.

Small niggling point of fact.  Just because you don't like something?  Doesn't mean there is "no reason" for it.

[Lord Gremlin]

Ok, I support the changes. Maybe except for choosing from 1 race only, but mostly I support. But let me suggest: other people make PS3 games with no HDD install and you should.

[Cazlee]

I support the changes to DA2. The new combat system looks more interesting. Unique clothing for companions, I think, is a step in the right direction since DA:O only had nice armor for Morrigan and heavy plate wearers. We know very little so far about the story and companions, but as long as Bioware doesn't go the route of Awakening in terms of dialogue, then I'm confident that the game will be fantastic. Epic story, endearing characters, meaningful choices, multiple endings, romances, are by far more important than the new combat system the marketing department is pushing. At any rate, that marketing isn't directed at us,(the rpg fans), it's there to bring in new customers that are into action games and have never thought about trying RPGs.

Modifié par Cazlee, 13 novembre 2010 - 08:24 .

[Rendar666]

Static upgradable armour.... like the "upgradable" weapons in ME 2? I hope that isn't true. Good god that was ****.

[Archereon]

The new inventory system could be good...But I'm more inclined to think it'll be terrible: Static companion outfits are probably a cop out to making a variety of different armor models across different body shapes, rather than a trade off to give the main character a large amount of potential outfits and builds. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Hawke only gets armor "On a special occasion" like Shepard, meaning we're stuck in that chickens*** champion outfit the whole game, except it ocassion is retitled to "superior phlebotium forged armor of the awesome guy" rather than the plain old "armor of the awesome guy".



regarding the VO...I think its probably a copout they can use to justify slashing the amount of dialogue the PC has (and therefore the amount of responses NPCs have) down to 50% of the original game.

[AlanC9]

Monica83 wrote...

Support?.... Support what? An epic cutdown of features?

Dialog wheel ala mass effect with tones addiction:

I'm not at all sure what "cutdown of features" is supposed to mean. Obviously doing a voiced protagonist isn't any kind of cost-cutting measure.

 This is really bad because that means static classes even if you add upgradable skills( another bad feature because in a nice system skill will be improved by stats and level)

Upgradable skills is bad, but increasing things by stats and levels is good? But you want more flexibility in character design?  Going by level is less flexible than upgrading a particular ability. Your position doesn't make enough sense for me to even disagree with.

[AlanC9]

Archereon wrote...
regarding the VO...I think its probably a copout they can use to justify slashing the amount of dialogue the PC has (and therefore the amount of responses NPCs have) down to 50% of the original game.

And this makers even less sense. They're essentially tripling the amount of VO work necessary per conversation, and also increasing the writing necessary since you need both  the full line and the paraphrase for every single Hawke response. And therefore you conclude that this is a way to do less work?

[Archereon]

JohnEpler wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...


Nope! Every class has their own 'weapon use' animations and we're making darn sure to use conditional actors so that mage Hawke will do something different than rogue Hawke will do something different than warrior Hawke.

Thank you! <3

Awesome! So there's a chance that in a scene Mage! Hawke will cast a spell while 2HD warrior Hawke will charge the enemy? Sweet.

That was one of my only issues with ME cutscenes. It always assumed I was a soldier.

Precisely! If you're a Mage, you'll do something awesome and Mage-like. If you're a Warrior, you'll do something Warrior-like. We try to avoid too many scenes where we have to make these distinctions, simply because recreating the same scene three times with different animations on both the player and whoever the player is acting on is a lot of work - but when they happen, we make sure that you're doing something that your class would suggest you'd do.

Stock cutscene animations copy pasted and smoothed out should do fine for ordinary custcene kills I hope?

[KalDurenik]

Hey! Atleast the have VO... Wait...



Instead of improving on stuff they cut stuff back...

*The game will not be as long as DAO

*The wheel is 100% pointless

*Less strategy (more button mashing"

*No improvements on the stats / skill system

*Less armour / weapons



There are more stuff but its time to sleep...

But yeah we have VO yeahh! =) (lol)

[Darkhour]

DarthCaine wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You also support DA2 being much shorter than DAO ?

I could've lived without Orzammar or the Fade.

I think Orzimmar was my favorite of the main quests

However in DA2 they seem to be cutting short a lot of things. Looking at the leaked gameplay, it looks like you don't see any of Lothering's destruction, or Gwaren, or the ride to Kirkwall, just a tapestry cutscene which really dissapoints me

What do you expect?  It takes place over 10 years and only the important parts of Hawke's story matter.

I've seen this kind of storytelling before at the later parts of some games, but usually it's because the developer didn't have the time to complete the game properly.  They fact that they actually did this intentionally is... disturbing.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Of what we know, it looks like most of the things I didn't enjoy as much about Origins are already being addressed, and then some, so... yay! Here's throwing in my support.



Voiced PC makes me especially happy.

[Urazz]

I generally support all of the changes. I have a few minor concerns but nothing really worth complaining about.  The biggest thing I like is the voiced PC.

Modifié par Urazz, 14 novembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[TheTWF]

I'd support DA2 provided the game is at least 40 hours long. Decreased length is my biggest concern, and I honestly don't think, given the dev time between the two games, that it'll be as long as DA:O.

[ScotGaymer]

I dont really think that this thread is appropriate just yet. I similarily think that all the scads of complaint threads (the ones complaining for the sake of it) are really appropraite.



I think this simply because I dont feel there is really an awful lot known about whats "different" with DA2 as yet apart from the readily obvious dialogue wheel and voiced protagonist. And human only protagonist.



I mean how can you support changes that you dont really know much about? How can you rail against it when you dont have all the information?



Its silly. And this thread is silly. If I were a moderator id close it and ask that it remained closed until at least after new years when we may have a bit more information and such a thread would be more appropriate.

[upsettingshorts]

By that standard we could close most of the threads on the forum.

[ScotGaymer]

Well yes that is also true lol.