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[Aermas]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Here's an explanation

Fantasy =/= Reality.

Does that mean that gravity doesn't work, in-game? Fantasy = Fiction, Fiction has it's foundation in reality

[Aermas]

filaminstrel wrote...

I guess swashbucklers don't necessarily have to use bucklers, just like basketball doesn't use peach baskets anymore and you can pump iron using plastic weights.

& Riflemen don't carry rifles?

[Bruddajakka]

It actually depends on which definition of the term your using.

Swashbuckler, a person or character



The word "swashbuckler", in the modern sense, generally describes a fearless romantic archetype, a fictional, adventurous, sword-wielding, male character who seeks to win the heart of a beautiful lady while rescuing society from the clutches of a dastardly villain. A classic swashbuckler exhibits exceptional courage and swordfighting skill, a strong sense of honor and justice, a chivalric romantic sense, and the capacity for wit, style, and resourcefulness under pressure. Such characters include The Three Musketeers, The Scarlet Pimpernel, Robin Hood, Zorro. There have also been a few female swashbucklers, such as Maureen O'Hara in the film Against All Flags, Jean Peters in Anne of the Indies and Tessie Santiago in the short-lived Queen of Swords television series.



Actors famous for their portrayals of swashbucklers include Douglas Fairbanks, Sr., Douglas Fairbanks, Jr., Errol Flynn, Tyrone Power, Burt Lancaster, Johnny Depp, and Basil Rathbone, an extremely skilled fencer who often played villains.

[Ziggeh]

Aermas wrote...
& Riflemen don't carry rifles?

Musketeers in fiction are often seen without muskets.

[Aermas]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Aermas wrote...
& Riflemen don't carry rifles?

Musketeers in fiction are often seen without muskets.

But they did have them, & they did use them. Where as Isabela is just Swash & no Buckler

[tdawg7669]

Ellythe wrote...

Pirates don't tend to carry shields or wear armor because the chances of them ending up swimming unexpectedly are high. I think even a wooden shield would impede one's ability to swim.

Plus if they get a leg lobbed off they can always get a wooden one and still look badass.

[Ziggeh]

Aermas wrote...
But they did have them, & they did use them. Where as Isabela is just Swash & no Buckler

Have to confess I've not read Dumas' novel, but I think the adaptations have likely had just as much effect upon modern usage, and I'm reasonably certain there are few, if any muskets in that. One of them had Kim Cattral in it, which was pretty awesome.

What you're saying is that words are inflexible and whether or not it's usage changes we should adhere to the original etymology. Don't know about you, but I'm outraged that all mages aren't all zoroasterians from iran.

[Aermas]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Aermas wrote...
But they did have them, & they did use them. Where as Isabela is just Swash & no Buckler

Have to confess I've not read Dumas' novel, but I think the adaptations have likely had just as much effect upon modern usage, and I'm reasonably certain there are few, if any muskets in that. One of them had Kim Cattral in it, which was pretty awesome.

What you're saying is that words are inflexible and whether or not it's usage changes we should adhere to the original etymology. Don't know about you, but I'm outraged that all mages aren't all zoroasterians from iran.

No, I am saying that the Musketeers had & used muskets, while a fictional book described three individuals that because of circumstance did not always use them this does not free them from the definition. If a swordsman in a story used an axe for a while you would not change the meaning of the word swordsmen to mean a person or persons that use an ax.

[Ziggeh]

Aermas wrote...

No, I am saying that the Musketeers had & used muskets, while a fictional book described three individuals that because of circumstance did not always use them this does not free them from the definition. If a swordsman in a story used an axe for a while you would not change the meaning of the word swordsmen to mean a person or persons that use an ax.

But the definition of swashbuckler has changed! They're not changing it to meet the needs of the game, the definition that precludes a small shield is literally the common usage.

[Maconbar]

Wulfram wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

Pirates don't tend to carry shields or wear armor because the chances of them ending up swimming unexpectedly are high. I think even a wooden shield would impede one's ability to swim.

Doesn't wood float?  Seems handy if you should find yourself overboard unexpectedly.

You know what else floats: bread, apples, and very small rocks.

[Aermas]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Aermas wrote...

No, I am saying that the Musketeers had & used muskets, while a fictional book described three individuals that because of circumstance did not always use them this does not free them from the definition. If a swordsman in a story used an axe for a while you would not change the meaning of the word swordsmen to mean a person or persons that use an ax.

But the definition of swashbuckler has changed! They're not changing it to meet the needs of the game, the definition that precludes a small shield is literally the common usage.

But only in a modern sense & not in a classical sense. & the game is taking place in a classic-medieval fantasy era!!!

[Maria Caliban]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

What you're saying is that words are inflexible and whether or not it's usage changes we should adhere to the original etymology. Don't know about you, but I'm outraged that all mages aren't all zoroasterians from iran.

In that case, 'buckler' originally means 'boss.' While the 'swash' meant the fall of a blow.

Therefore, if Isabela is a true swashbuckler, she has to beat her boss.

[Aermas]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

What you're saying is that words are inflexible and whether or not it's usage changes we should adhere to the original etymology. Don't know about you, but I'm outraged that all mages aren't all zoroasterians from iran.

In that case, 'buckler' originally means 'boss.' While the 'swash' meant the fall of a blow.

Therefore, if Isabela is a true swashbuckler, she has to beat her boss.

It means boss as in a shield boss. It's the rounded part of the shields grip in non strap shields. Some call them punch-shields since you hold it out in a fist like you are punching something.

[Ziggeh]

Aermas wrote...
But only in a modern sense & not in a classical sense. & the game is taking place in a classic-medieval fantasy era!!!

And if it were medieval folk playing the game I'm sure they'd see it as a problem, but probably some time after questioning how you'd trapped the souls of those people in your demonic box.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Aermas]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Aermas wrote...
But only in a modern sense & not in a classical sense. & the game is taking place in a classic-medieval fantasy era!!!

And if it were medieval folk playing the game I'm sure they'd see it as a problem, but probably some time after questioning how you'd trapped the souls of those people in your demonic box.

By this logic Duelist should use pistols, & Templars should be heritics

[Rattleface]

Aermas wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

What you're saying is that words are inflexible and whether or not it's usage changes we should adhere to the original etymology. Don't know about you, but I'm outraged that all mages aren't all zoroasterians from iran.

In that case, 'buckler' originally means 'boss.' While the 'swash' meant the fall of a blow.

Therefore, if Isabela is a true swashbuckler, she has to beat her boss.

It means boss as in a shield boss. It's the rounded part of the shields grip in non strap shields. Some call them punch-shields since you hold it out in a fist like you are punching something.

I don't think rogues will be eligable to wield a shield at all, much less a buckler.

Modifié par Rattleface, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:14 .

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Aermas wrote...
By this logic Duelist should use pistols, & Templars should be heritics

No....the logic you'd need to use for those statements to be true would be to apply a very time specific and outdated meaning of each term. Sort of like, say, oh, I don't know, pre-film industry usage of the term swashbuckler?

If we're being super pedantic I kind of doubt the metallurgy involved in the errol flynn/musketeer fighting style blade exists in the dragon age.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Aermas]

So you will only except the circumstances of examples that are supportive to you but refute the examples that destroy your preconceived notions

Modifié par Aermas, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:33 .

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Aermas wrote...

So you will only except the circumstances of examples that are supportive to you but refute the examples that destroy your preconceived notions

Yeah, you see, you need to actually present examples that support your argument in order to say that, chief. The ones you just provided were actively detrimental to your point. I'm refuting them on the basis that they're refutable, not because I'm wicked set on my preconceptions.

[Aermas]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Aermas wrote...

So you will only except the circumstances of examples that are supportive to you but refute the examples that destroy your preconceived notions

Yeah, you see, you need to actually present examples that support your argument in order to say that, chief. The ones you just provided were actively detrimental to your point. I'm refuting them on the basis that they're refutable, not because I'm wicked set on my preconceptions.

This post makes little sence, I posted that Swashbucklers used shields, FACT, then I posted that most sailors could not swim, FACT. You have posted that terms have changed in the modern era, which has little merit since this is supposed to be a classically based game

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Aermas wrote...

This post makes little sence, I posted that Swashbucklers used shields, FACT, then I posted that most sailors could not swim, FACT. You have posted that terms have changed in the modern era, which has little merit since this is supposed to be a classically based game

Except it does have a lot of merit for those playing the game. Without looking at the actual skills if you asked someone who doesn't know about historical context of swashbuckler what would they conjure up? A swordmen using a sword and buckler or the charismatic pirate, the musketeer, the hero of any "swashbuckling adventure".

[Aermas]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

This post makes little sence, I posted that Swashbucklers used shields, FACT, then I posted that most sailors could not swim, FACT. You have posted that terms have changed in the modern era, which has little merit since this is supposed to be a classically based game

Except it does have a lot of merit for those playing the game. Without looking at the actual skills if you asked someone who doesn't know about historical context of swashbuckler what would they conjure up? A swordmen using a sword and buckler or the charismatic pirate, the musketeer, the hero of any "swashbuckling adventure".

Is it my fault people aren't educated? I bet not every one knows what a Ranger is but it doesn't make them different.

[Helena Tylena]

Aermas wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

This post makes little sence, I posted that Swashbucklers used shields, FACT, then I posted that most sailors could not swim, FACT. You have posted that terms have changed in the modern era, which has little merit since this is supposed to be a classically based game

Except it does have a lot of merit for those playing the game. Without looking at the actual skills if you asked someone who doesn't know about historical context of swashbuckler what would they conjure up? A swordmen using a sword and buckler or the charismatic pirate, the musketeer, the hero of any "swashbuckling adventure".

Is it my fault people aren't educated? I bet not every one knows what a Ranger is but it doesn't make them different.

There's a difference between educated and overly pedantic.
Besides, if you're truly educated, you'd know that the meaning of words change over time, depending on how they're used. Swashbuckler is an example. Whatever it meant ages ago, it doesn't mean that anymore today, meaning a game-company today can use it with the meaning it has today, no matter how 'classic' their game is.
Also, by your logic, 'malifecar' and 'witch' would be the same thing, and they would only have herbalism as their skill, magic would be things like pulling rabbits out of a hat, priests would be male, etc.