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[Pacifien]

You know what irks me? Pinnacle Station is still $5. That's right, a moderator is derailing this thread to protest the fact that DLC that came out well over two years ago is still the same price as it ever was.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

You know what irks me? Pinnacle Station is still $5. That's right, a moderator is derailing this thread to protest the fact that DLC that came out well over two years ago is still the same price as it ever was.

Pinnacle station doesn't add anything to the trilogy.

[THWIP71]

Dust_King wrote...

@THWIP71: I still don't see what your issue is. By your logic ME2 is new to anyone who hasn't played it, because "games aren't perishable goods."

What seems to annoy you is that some people buying the game for the first time don't have to pay as much as you due to them getting the DLC for free, am I right so far?

So why didn't you ditch Bioware when they dropped the retail price on 360 by $50? (price at gamestop)

It is exactly the same thing, people are getting something for less than you paid because they waited.

...unless it's the fact that it's no longer exclusive to 360 which is annoying you?

Are you really this dense, or are you intentionally making yourself look like an idiot, because you think it's funny?

A price drop on a game, over time, is normal...as with MOST goods.   But RARELY have we seen price drops on DLC...which is something new this gen, with consoles.   MS has weekly "deals" on random DLC at times.  
Fact is, this is essentially a brand new launch for the ME franchise, on a new platform.  But for some reason, EA/BioWare has decided their initial deal with MS was somehow unfair to PS3 gamers...which is just silly.  They're getting the same great game, and DLC, made available to them for the first time.   It's just another IP available for the PS3 library.  If you only own a PS3, you've had enough games to keep you busy, so you likely weren't waiting the last couple years, twiddling your thumbs and hoping a (supposedly) exclusive franchise would make the jump to your chosen console.   The ONLY way a dev/publisher could justify giving away that much content for free, is if the overall product was of far inferior quality (like some PC ports that make it to the 360 a year after release), and/or the game was always meant to be multiplatform, but technical issues caused a long delay on one of the versions, while the others were released on time.  Obviously, neither of those scenarios apply here.  

This is merely EA...a known multiplatform dev... trying to capitalize on the success of one of their new IPs, when so many others are failing miserably.   It's just sad that they don't have enough confidence in their products any more, to the point they think they need to give so much away, just to get sales.  
I suppose when your exclusive NFL franchise no longer pads your portfolio like it once did, a long-retired Michael Jordan forced your NBA license into the NBDL...and possibly into retirement....and your every attempt at a "COD killer" falls flat on it's face...well, it may be desparation time.   But really?   Do they need to be THIS desperate?   ME is a fantastic, epic, unique new IP, that should hold it's value, regardless of release date.   Sure, PS3 owners don't get to play ME1 on their console, but BioWare has more than compensated them for that.   What have they done to compensate those who've supported their games for the last 2 generations?   Nothing.

[comicfan22]

neither does Overlord add to the story of ME2. (Well thats not true but you get my point.)

Modifié par comicfan22, 08 novembre 2010 - 04:35 .

[Dust_King]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

To
that I would say: Bull****.  Final Fantasy XIII came to the 360, there
should be nothing on the technical side of things holding MGS4 and UC2
back.

Except the fact that Sony OWNS the developers.

That's on the legal side of things, not technical.

Uncharted 2 and MGS4 are both about 10-12 hours long, uncharted 2 fills a 25gb disc and MGS4 fills a 50gb disc. Uncharted 2 would fill 3 duel layered dvds (9gb) and MGS4 would fill 6 dual layered dvds.Unless there is a lot of compression (MGS4 is already fairly compressed) or a compromise of quality I don't think any adaptation would be that practical, changing discs ever 2 or so hours is not fun.

So not enough to completely block the possibility but probably enough to make it risky to developers. 

[rogershoe]

Pacifien wrote...

You know what irks me? Pinnacle Station is still $5. That's right, a moderator is derailing this thread to protest the fact that DLC that came out well over two years ago is still the same price as it ever was.

That is the problem with a potential download only future. Digital prices don't really go down unless there is competition and last I checked, there is only one way to get most DLC.

[Pacifien]

Oh, let's not start calling each other idiots for our different viewpoints concerning the PS3 release. Namecalling makes the world a sadder place. People's feelings get hurt. Moderators need to intervene.

[charmingcharlie]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

This thread makes the world a sadder place.

Then why come into this thread ?  Seriously if you have no interest in actually adding to the debate why keep coming in fanning flames ?

[Pacifien]

Yes, and commenting about the thread versus the topic of the thread is considered a no-go, so stop doing it. Let's get back on track and continue discussing BioWare's release of ME2 on the PS3. Apologies from this moderator for the momentary derailment earlier.

[comicfan22]

I've tried to cool the flames with several fire extinguishers but it seems perhaps that I should raise my flame shield and let the building burn itself out?

I still think everything will work out in the end and all console/pc users will be happy.

Modifié par comicfan22, 08 novembre 2010 - 04:45 .

[SSV Enterprise]

charmingcharlie wrote...

SSV Enterprise you have already posted that Jesus rubbish once in here stop spamming the topic, if you wanted to direct someone to that rubbish you could have at least linked to it.

If you want I could repost my entire updated version of your Jesus fable where the wealthy land owner ended up destitute because of questionable working practices and the fact no one would work for the land owner any more because he was a con artist.

Personally I find it rather shocking how quickly Bioware are devaluing their products and it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the Mass Effect brand if less than a year later they have to practically give everything away just to get people to buy their game.

Whoa whoa whoa, why the hostility?  "Rubbish"?  Fine, if you're so hostile as to argue what I posted to make a single point, then so be it.

What the landowner does with his money is his business.  He wouldn't have trouble finding workers, because he was still paying the men he hired early in the morning a fair day's wage, compared to other employers.  In fact, workers should flock to him, since he even if he hires men late in the day he pays them a full day's wage.

Same with BioWare.  The sold ME2 for a full, fair price at its release, which has since come down.  People have no right to whine that the PS3 players get the DLC if they found the game and the DLC to be an agreeable price in the first place.  That price hasn't gone up.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 08 novembre 2010 - 04:51 .

[rogershoe]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

This thread makes the world a sadder place.

Then why come into this thread ?  Seriously if you have no interest in actually adding to the debate why keep coming in fanning flames ?

What debate? I mean, all I see are people getting angry over what amounts to a Game of the Year edition for a different console and people trying to tell them that it is a Game of the Year situation. However, most of the hate comes from the fact that it is on a different console rather than the fact that it is a Game of the Year edition!

So would these people get angry when a Game of the Year edition is released on the 360 and PC? I think not. In fact, I think that they would congratulate Bioware for all the sales and such.

Modifié par rogershoe, 08 novembre 2010 - 04:49 .

[Dust_King]

THWIP71 wrote...
Are you really this dense, or are you intentionally making yourself look like an idiot, because you think it's funny?

If insulting a stranger over the internet will make you feel better then fine, go ahead.

THWIP71 wrote..
But RARELY have we seen price drops on DLC...which is something new this gen, with consoles.

You know, back in the day we called DLC expansion packs, you often saw them drop in price. Still you seem to believe that PS3 owners should pay full price for an old game rather than get a early release of a ultimate edition, you know it will come out on pc and 360 a couple of months later, they will just have to wait a bit;)

THWIP71 wrote..
It's just another IP available for the PS3 library. If you only own a PS3, you've had enough games to keep you busy, so you likely weren't waiting the last couple years, twiddling your thumbs and hoping a (supposedly) exclusive franchise would make the jump to your chosen console.

So it is because you don't like ps3?

You know we're real people, not villains sitting in ruined castles built atop hoards of exclusives waiting for the inevitable downfall of another franchise.

[Pacifien]

Everything does work out in the end. Those who are outraged either calm down or they move on. Or perhaps just carry a slight chip on their shoulder until the end of days.

Good debate on the exclusivity agreements of various platforms, which is actually something I should be directing people to take to the Off-Topic forum as it's a much broader issue of which this PS3 release is a small part. I might not agree with exclusive content in general, but not enough to put my foot down on the PS3 ever getting a port of the game. And I learned decades ago that prices drop for games in time, so that isn't going to bother me much either.

[Drakkhenden]

Pacifien wrote...

Yes, and commenting about the thread versus the topic of the thread is considered a no-go, so stop doing it. Let's get back on track and continue discussing BioWare's release of ME2 on the PS3. Apologies from this moderator for the momentary derailment earlier.

Heh. It would be nice if Bioware spoke to the concerns some of us are having with all this.

[rogershoe]

Drakkhenden wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Yes, and commenting about the thread versus the topic of the thread is considered a no-go, so stop doing it. Let's get back on track and continue discussing BioWare's release of ME2 on the PS3. Apologies from this moderator for the momentary derailment earlier.

Heh. It would be nice if Bioware spoke to the concerns some of us are having with all this.

I honestly don't understand the concerns. There isn't exclusive DLC outside of a "timed" exclusive comic. The only thing I see people complaining about is the price. Which I don't understand. I'm not complaining that Mass Effect 2 is available for $20 right now when I had paid $50 at launch so why would people complain if the PS3 version gets a LATE release with some of the DLC bundled within? Had the PS3 version launched day and date with the other versions, which it should have, then this DLC bundle wouldn't occur. But it has happened and it makes sense to bundle the DLC with the PS3 version.

[Pacifien]

Drakkhenden wrote...
Heh. It would be nice if Bioware spoke to the concerns some of us are having with all this.

What's to address at this point that Jesse Houston hasn't already tried to address?

[Drakkhenden]

Pacifien wrote...

Drakkhenden wrote...
Heh. It would be nice if Bioware spoke to the concerns some of us are having with all this.

What's to address at this point that Jesse Houston hasn't already tried to address?

Has he explained why PS3 owners are getting along with the game what 360 owners have had to pay for? If he has could you point me in that direction please?

[EatChildren]

Jamin101 wrote...

well with cotrabutions like this dont let the door hit you. maybe address what people are complaining about. why is it some people feel the need to brown nose a developer it doesnt get you anything. hearing complaints is how you fix them. you should goto bungie.net forums where everybody is omg troll if you say anything you would fit right in

My contributions have been many. I've pointed out that the comic will eventually be available on other platforms. I've pointed out that the PS3 is not getting any exclusive DLC, at least not any DLC that wasn't at least on the other platforms. No new guns, no new armor, no new missions, no new DLC.

Yet people still complain and act like their precious BioWare has betrayed the fans or some crap, when in reality the only thing they're going to 'miss out' on is the comic, and even then they will be able to get it eventually.

Drakkhenden wrote...

Has
he explained why PS3 owners are getting along with the game what 360
owners have had to pay for? If he has could you point me in that
direction please?

Do you mean why the PS3 players are getting a bundle package of DLC and the game, when you had to buy it all seperately?

Well jee wizz buddy, thats how business works, and how it has worked forever. If you want to be an early adopter, you pay the full price. That is the way it works. Over time products, in this case games, drop in price. Mass Effect 2 is, retail, cheaper today than it was at launch. So technically everybody who is buying the game new, even on PC and Xbox 360, are paying less than you  or I did. Same goes for DLC.

Why, if someone walks into a store, or boots up Steam, and buys Mass Effect 2 and all the DLC today, they'll pay less than what you did.

Its completely irrational to complain about bundles emerging as time goes by, and people getting better deals as games age. This is how the industry has worked since forever. If you dont like it the only alternative is to stop buying your games at launch. Stop paying premium price to be an early adopter. Then, when the game launches again as a GOTY package 12 months later with all the DLC and crap for a lower price, then you will be on square ground.

Modifié par EatChildren, 08 novembre 2010 - 05:06 .

[Pacifien]

Drakkhenden wrote...
Has he explained why PS3 owners are getting along with the game what 360 owners have had to pay for? If he has could you point me in that direction please?

Nah, they're paying for it. They're paying for it bundled with the main game.

If you were a 360 owner, you'd pay for the main game for about $20 and then pay for the DLC separately for about $26. Which is still cheaper than what the PS3 players are paying for the lot.

ETA: Also, XBox Live Gold members recently got to purchase the DLC on sale.

Modifié par Pacifien, 08 novembre 2010 - 05:05 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Drakkhenden wrote...

Has he explained why PS3 owners are getting along with the game what 360
owners have had to pay for? If he has could you point me in that
direction please?

Why should he explain his reason? They put in the game what they want to put in the game. All I'm interested is what is happening.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 08 novembre 2010 - 05:07 .